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what a shame you think its " crap" when it is all correct, and you will no doubt not comment when you are wrong again. I don't think you would feel "betrayed" at all, as you would not be at the game and putting your hard cash into supporting the club in the flesh as a committed supporter. It's easier to take these sort of stances if that is your situation. My point is that, at the time, you enjoy it ie enjoy the success at the time, which is EXACTLY what you have said, including a one off good season that you stupidly say "proves" NUFC is set up as a big ambitious club again. Whatever. Rangers will not disappear, despite your views on administration and what you hope will happen. You should read that book I produce clips on, which is how things work in football not the high street.

I completely and totally agree. that is true, but they got back, and do their fans not consider them to be the same club ? I'm not saying cheating is OK, because it isn't, but when the dust settles, what does it mean when clubs are back to where they originally were ? My main point is the scaremongering bollocks rather than the cheating. What do people think of the alleged bribery when NUFC beat Liverpool 3-0 and Cole scored that hat trick, at the time, when the allegations came out, and now ?

England's key player, but not as good as others in other countries in the same position.

rubbish. Throwing the book at ONE athlete is totally different to throwing the book at 50,000 innocent football supporters, and more considering it is spread over many years. And you DID say to enjoy the success while it is there, so have did yet another u-turn. FWIW, I don't consider one good season to be anything particular to consider as successful either. But we will see, and again you will be wrong. Rangers will be back, whether it suits your daft agenda or not, and whether you like it or not. You can comment on the rest of my post in your own time.

Fair comment mate, FWIW I think clubs, especially the smaller clubs both north and south of the border, need financial assistance rather than the big boot. It's no good fining them, deducting points etc if they can't fulfill fixtures or are in financial trouble, it is happening too often now. Football needs to look at the problems and help them. I'm thinking of a club like Luton, it's a disgrace a club like that has been booted out of the league. They have won a domestic trophy more recently than NUFC. I hope they can come back, and Southampton back in the premiership is a good thing too. It's nice to see them get back again.

I know all of this. But you know the direction and the aim of my comments mate, which are directed mainly at the scaremongering peddled over the years by people who said what would happen to NUFC if we had gone into administration [which never happened and never would have happened anyway]. My view is they are hoping Rangers fold and those 50,000 supporters have nowhere else to go because this is the nonsense they peddled for years concerning NUFC, as per their absurd and ill-informed agenda. The reality is that Rangers will be back exactly in the situation they have left in a short while, and nobody will look back at what is happening now. They will have forgotten all about it, just like Fiorentina, just like NUFC would ever do if the worst happens and almost happened in 1990/91. People have forgotten all about the stadium name change already because the team won a few games, in fact they have forgotten all about what Mike Ashley has done to the club etc on account of a few wins and one good league season, such is the tunnell vision of football supporters everywhere. This is what will happen, it has always been the case. People who want Rangers to disappear, for whatever reason, are not going to get what they want mate. They can enjoy them squirming, for now, but that is all they are going to get. They will be back, in another entity perhaps, but when they start winning that title again the past won't matter too much anymore and their diehard fans will gloss over it jand resume normal operations just as much as anybody else.

I understand your point Stevie, but in a way, if you win the title for 17 years wouldn't it all become a bit meaningless in the end ? I realise that is a slight deviation from the main point, but overall, as I said, the one thing I can't quite get is why Rangers felt the need to do it in the first place. That doesn't change the fact that what's done is done though, and it won't be long before things are exactly as they were before.

exactly. All this hoping/wanking yourself to death etc or anything else due to agendas, all the hot air and bluster and rubbish that is and has been spouted about clubs going into administration [and we know the real reason for it] is all in vain. Rangers are NOT Third Lanark.

exactly. Would anybody rather we won the FA Cup by any means possible than lost the 4th round at Stevenage, for example ? Having not won a trophy in half a century. All those years of supporting the toon, all those near misses and nowheres. 3 FA Cup Finals, 1 League Cup final, one goal to show from it, 3 non-appearances in all 3 FA Cup Finals. Losing a big lead in the premiership in 1996 ultimately not winning the title because we lost the crucial game at home to ManU. What would you do if you could reverse just one of those games ? All this "play fair" is all well and good, but if you go to games and would have been to the winning Cup Final, would you really give a toss, now, about the rights and wrongs of it all ? You can't turn the clock back and replay the Maradona hand ball either, they won and that is it. It's over, Argentina celebrated and that is it. People who celebrate these sort of things will now not even be in this world, you can't tell them now that their celebration and joy at the success was all in vain. It's over. Toonpack, particularly, has said himself on this very forum that you should enjoy the moment of success while you can. Which I totally agree with, and always have and always will. Why the change of heart ? The one thing I will say about Rangers, is that I don't understand why they felt the need to do this in the first place when they only have one team to beat and always have had only one team to beat and would continue only having one team to beat.

another squirming politician, as mentioned [media=] [/media]

and so it came to pass, that the celebrations and glory enjoyed by Rangers supporters at the time of those successes, is decreed never to have happened, henceforth. And they will never mention or discuss those happy times ever again, because they never happened.

brilliant that like. Poor lass.......and what a cunt Osborne is if he told her to go on there and face that

but it isn't.

maybe, but they are still the biggest club to have been liquidated in 26 years, despite what the scaremongering doom-mongers peddle. And now, do their supporters give a fuck either way ? In fact they forgot about it almost immediately, they still consider it to be the same club lock, stock and barrell. I like the fact that some people still confuse the 2 terms WANT to happen and THINK will happen, when they talk about what WILL happen. Administration is not the same as liquidation, as you pointed out mate. And Rangers will not cease to exist and become a supermarket, despite what some people WANT to happen to satisfy their own wishes and agendas.

he's great Micky Quinn like. Great goalscorer, loves the toon despite coming from a city with 2 other big clubs, fights our corner, top man. He came to life inside the penalty box and always hit the target or tested the goalkeeper, if he had been a yard quicker in his general movement etc, he would have played for England.

exactly. And it doesn't seem to have had life threatening implications to their supporters, in fact they never even went away in spirit - I know that you will know what I mean Stevie. In fact, they even won their first ever trophy since then. So much for disappearing and becoming a supermarket, as some would have you believe happens to clubs.

isn't this thread about Rangers going into administration, or liquidation ? Not many clubs have gone into liquidation, have they ?

I agree with you.

indeed. Being in 6th position at the moment for instance doesn't necessarily mean you have the 6th best setup for example. Some people realise this and some don't.

they should employ you as their PR man, assuming anyone is daft enough to believe all of that or it will ever have any relevance.

exactly

surely he is Scottish ?

he isn't a manager, but he's intelligent, so here's hoping.

yep

I remember when Sky TV bought the rights to the premiership etc, and the new School of Excellence was vamped. They told us that a lot of this money would be used to improve the technical skills, coaching etc of young English footballers who would eventually filter through to the England team. That was nearly 20 years ago now. People in the UK have ALWAYS believed bollocks spouted by officialdom of various organisations. In reality we are a run by shit people in numerous organisations who are all too protective of their own status, perks, and lifestyles, promoting their friends and being influenced by the Fleet Street press a perfect example being the appointment of Trevor Brooking as has been pointed out, a player who was a top player but is sadly a West Ham supporter and as such is part of the Fleet Street brigade which is why he was appointed. A previous appointment to this "kids coaching" school is HOWARD WILKINSON. A man who is supposed to be a "brain" but won the title as manager of Leeds playing helicopter football. I never expected anything from this new School of Excellence and as such I'm not surprised or disappointed that absolutely no good has came out of it at all. At the end of the day, there are reasons why England lag behind the real top european countries such as Germany, Italy and now currently Spain. We also lag behind the likes of Holland and Portugal and France, despite the results in the Euro of Holland, their footballing setup, outlook and approach is still superior to ours and they will be back. This competition has only confirmed our long term standing, which is behind Germany, Spain, Portugal and Italy who are the current top european sides and are all in the last 4 of the Euro. In World terms, add Brazil and Argentina to that list and it confirms again that we are and always have been for most of the last 40 years somewhere between about 5th and 10th, or even lower, in the world. We confirm this by being semi-permanent quarter finalists, with the odd semi and the odd group knockout thrown in. The reasons for this are to do with size of population, economics, cultures etc, all sorts of things not just footballing grass roots and the lack of amenities and correct facilities and coaching for kids. This is a huge complex problem, it can't be done in a few years, it is far reaching.