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I doubt that tbh, IMO The Cisse money fitted into his financial model, no more, no less, i.e. we could afford it. That will be the story ongoing I reckon. Villa's debt is primarily with Lerner (£170 Mill purchase price and loans transferred into equity plus round about another £97Mill in further loans - as at 09/10). He charges about 15% of their turnover in interest. Which given their wages/turnover was sitting at circa 83% doesn't leave much. They will be belt tightening very soon. do you ever post anything about football ?

Mis-management of the club with massive financial implications then. Symantics tbh. Semantics tbh. Not really no, very separate things. The club was managed disgracefully and we were relegated. Since then the club has returned to revenue levels seen in 08/09, does not have a cost level over £10m more than revenue and is challenging the top half instead of fucking about lower mid table. If you use 08/09 as your reference point, the finances are much better now and are moving in the right direction. I would never argue that the period represented good 'management of the club'. at the moment they are in the top half. How long do you think this will last, while selling our best players and withholding the money from the manager to build the best side possible ? This is football related, for a moment Chez ?

stop derailing the thread, and get back to work, or at least try and post something about Leeds United. But as you can't post anything worthwhile about Newcastle United, this is highly unlikely. I can't spot any mistakes in this one. Well done. get back to work, and stop drinking. Talk about Leeds United and stop derailing threads.

Not sure why that deserves a laugh tbh. Alienating your entire fan base so much that the majority refuse to buy your product is very much mismanagement surely? not to some, it would appear. Spot on that like.

stop derailing the thread, and get back to work, or at least try and post something about Leeds United. But as you can't post anything worthwhile about Newcastle United, this is highly unlikely.

Didn't start what? You definitely started your tedious "book review" thread. Am I confusing you? thread edited to aid your comprehension, as you are clearly still drunk.

Nice bit of perspective. Btw, this VISG kid seems canny but it'll only be a matter of time before he's browbeaten and fucks off. most of the Leeds supporters I knew when I lived in Scarborough accepted what I said to him, to their face. He seems a canny bloke, he can only talk more sense than some on here who support the toon. I'm quite happy to talk about the Don Revie days to him if he likes, they were a great side. Brian Clough, with Peter Taylor would have continued their success but that is just opinion. Shame for them it didn't work out for them and they ended up at Forest instead. That's football.

he doesn't seem to be getting much sleep either, sitting in front of his PC all night like he does. Not all of us wake up with a hangover, wondering what pearls of wisdom we posted the night before. I was in bed at 10, woke up around half 5, for reference. I'm happy to keep a sleep diary if you think it would help. good boy.

banter. Go on Gem, crack a daft gag that has nowt to do with football. Or hijack a thread which is a serious attempt to review a book. That thread was just a new vehicle for you to tell us how great Shepherd was, and how much cleverer than the author you are. It failed on both counts. sorry, but you are wrong. You shouldn't put words into the mouths of others when they don't say things. Read Stevies comments. As your mate the grey man said once, when he had his sensible head on..........."chomp" Does this count as a derail, or is it different ?

well, Clough played for sunderland, but that doesn't really matter, I've bought the book because its about Clough and if its owt like a couple of others I've read, it will be a good read. Let us know how it goes LM will you? I will, but I've got a serious backlog of reading to do.

Its just an estimate this £88m isnt it and it doesnt include the money generated from player sales either i guess? It gets us back to where we were in 08/09 anyway, when our costs were incidentally £98m. Wages, as i've explained many times are based on long term contracts, most of the wage bill in 08/09 was already in place in 07. The financial performance of NUFC in 08/09 has less to do with Ashley and more to do with the previous board. To your point, they were running a budget deficit of Greek proportions. Now we are back to where we were in 08/09 but without the £98m cost base. Soz like Stevie, thats not financial mis-management. To answer where the decreases and poor performace has come from, its corporate boxes, matchday sponsor prices, deflated advertising market and a low value proposition for potential commercial customers. Mixture of the impact of the recession on the local economy and the decrease in revenue from less sponsors / corporate spending from relegation. Also having an arsehole owner turns off rich fans as well as normal ones. Catering outsourcing has taken a few million off too. Yes there's a recession on, so how does that explain us being far far far far away from Everton, Villa and Sunderland yet they've all caught us? The recession is not exclusive to Newcastle There's a lot more to it than a few cunts are on the dole and have chucked their boxes in. In terms of income we are vastly underachieving. I think having been to Asia we did capture that market under FFS, you'd be astonished how many had our shirt. In fact I remember when Gullit was here he said he couldn't believe no matter where you went in the world there was a toon shirt, that was good marketing. Our marketing barely exists now. obviously, this recession is exclusive to Newcastle, Stevie, and other parts of the country such as Merseyside are thriving.

He's on the wagon according to latest reports. he doesn't seem to be getting much sleep either, sitting in front of his PC all night like he does.

Schalke maybe? I know they won the Waffa in '97, but in every other respect they're basically us. Comparing lack of success in terms of trophies with fanbase, I struggle to think of a club in world sport let alone just world football that is as well supported as Newcastle. (Maybe someone like the Chicago White Sox but I don't know what sort of crowds they get). Its a much overused word these days but our support is unbelievably good and I don't think any other club in Britain, including Man U, would get the same level of support as us if they had a similar lack of success over such a long period As I said earlier, I don't think any other football club in the world would get 50,000 crowds having not won a domestic trophy in over 50 years. Not denying there are a few other clubs with magnificent support as has been mentioned, but we are unique, and this is part of the problem. Our lack of success is such that too many people outside the area with no affiliation to NUFC just don't realise how big the club is. Give NUFC half the success of a club like Liverpool over the past 40 years, and NUFC would dwarf most clubs on local support alone, the Keegan years proved that. Clubs like Spurs and Aston Villa are pygmies in comparison to the potential of NUFC. Edit for the record, the VidukaisStillGod seems a canny lad, personally anyone who can talk some sense and logic is fine by me whoever they support.

That's a cheek that, the bit in bold. In every aspect we absolutely piss it, the size of a club purely for me is defined by its true fanbase, we absolutely piss it, to deny that is deluded. I can't even imagine Newcastle getting league gates of 18 and 19,000 these days. Despite the myths we rarely did before football was cool and funky never mind now. More league titles, more FA Cups, older, more famous nationally, a bigger name, bigger history, older by 30 years. Outside of the big 6 even in modern football there's no doubt who the biggest club is outside the big 3 clubs, the two artifically supported clubs and Tottenham. Everton, Villa and Leeds wouldn't get 50000 if they were competing for the title and had room, we were getting it some weeks in the Championship, that's why I think it's a cheek that anyone can draw a comparison between Newcastle - Leeds/Villa/Everton/West Ham etc.. it's a cheek and a joke and that's despite of Mike Ashley too, and deep down you all know the truth. None of you could dream of our fanbase, we are a freak club in European football, comparing success with fanbase, there's not an adequate comparison anywhere, and I challenge you to prove that statement is deluded. If you cared to read the thread, he breached the subject of club size not me. precisely. Gem was either pissed last night, or up too early this morning. Probably both.

banter. Go on Gem, crack a daft gag that has nowt to do with football. Or hijack a thread which is a serious attempt to review a book.

that was Phil Spector, wasn't it ?

Some sad cunt will point out that's a stupid comparison. Our revenue based on a year in the CL was £90.8m but Spurs revenue was £162m. Seems like Levy was able to make £71.2m more out of a season in the CL than Shepherd was, as if that frames the discussion. All this shows is that relegation sets you back financially and being an arsehole owner pisses off your customers. I don't really think that's been a doubt in anyone's mind. I agree with Baggio that we will push £100m this year, Europe would have us taking that up another £10m if we manage it. We were back in the Premiership averaging 48,000 people for 2010/2011, so financially what changed between the relegation season and last season? Relegation sets you back financially is an ambiguous statement, I'd like to know what the difference was in terms of revenue streams between 09 and 11. For starters our turnover was almost stagnant, this despite every club in the Premiership having a huge additional cash injection compared to previous seasons via the new TV deal. So quite obviously our commercial activity is nothing short of a joke, particularly compared to Tottenham. Do you think Shepherd would settle for the pittance these clowns are settling for in terms of advertisement, shirt deals and club sponsors? As for your point about the £162m Tottenham turnover in comparison to the £90m Shepherd got in 2004, again that is null and void because in real terms European football got richer. In 2004 we were the 10th richest club in Europe, in 2012 Tottenham are only the 11th richest club in Europe, revenue streams have went up with inflation, and we because of CHRONIC mismanagement have completely missed the boat since 2007. They are devaluing the club, under Shepherd for a variety of reasons we were a blue chip club. adidas saw what we were become under Ashley, and wanted nothing more to do with us because we are ran like a corner shop. Newcastle were a 50-70% bigger business than Villa, Everton and Sunderland under the previous regime, we're within £7m of all of them now. It's chronic mismanagement of a business but it's alright because we're making a profit eh? The more money you rake in the bigger playing fields you can operate on, but this is almost a side issue to these clowns. It's fucking ridiculous a club like Newcastle have fans who every summer are worried their best players will be sold. We hardly EVER felt like that under Shepherd, we'd look at clubs like Everton and Villa thinking, aye he'd dee, and him, aye him as well, even Steven Carr came to Newcastle because he "wanted to play for a big club", his words not mine. We're ran like a corner shop man. In fact I challenge you to find me a club in the world bigger than say Blackburn who have financially stagnated purely in terms of income more than Newcastle have 2004-2011. We're devalued, we don't have a commercial department hardly, we don't have people building proper ties around the world with organisations like the likes of Everton even have, we're a joke and it's squarely down to Del Boy and fatty continuing to be completely unaware of the potential of the club, and completely unaware how to progress a football club so they can achieve their potential. sadly, this is how accountants view things. Del Boy, Fatty and in fact a number of supposedly Newcastle supporters are also unaware of the size of the club and don't understand football. Edit. The sad thing is, in 3 or 4 years time, in a few relegation struggles in the future, all these accountant wannabees, and the anybody but Fred brigade, will still be bickering about all this and insisting the "business is better off" - but not going to games and supporting the team with their own hard cash.

OK, I'll admit that I saw the chance to prove a point !!! I don't make these sort of statements unless I'm sure of what I;m saying, but I don't understand the point of this thread, its a total no brainer. We lost a top footballer, and we aren't seeing the money, its sad for Newcastle United that this is happening, not a joke or a reason to laugh at Andy Carroll, because he and Jose Enrique will most definitely have the last laugh. But I;ll leave it there and let results emphasise it even more.

worst thing about Leeds, is you were nothing before Don Revie, you had never done anything, or been anybody. That was a great era, but you now consider yourselves to be bigger than you are on account of it. You are in the 2nd batch of "big clubs" alongside the likes of Villa, Wolves, West Ham etc etc and thats it. I hate Ken Bates though, cockney wanker, and Warnock is a pretty good manager who should have managed a big team earlier in his career after Scarborough and Notts County. He might have a few probs with Bates too. Our greatest period was indeed the Revie era which was 40 years ago or so, but what makes Newcastle that much bigger of a club than Leeds? Neither of us have won a trophy in ages, we've both been relegated from the Premier League, the closest both of us have really had to glory since the Premier League's inception was playing in the Champions League, both play home matches in a one club city. You could say that you had a higher attendance than us in the Championship, which is of course true, but like I mentioned earlier you were only away from the Premier League for one season, during which you were certain to get automatic promotion whereas we kept sinking and sinking. If you were in a similar position to us your attendances might have dwindled as well. We're both big clubs. Maybe not currently successful but we are both sleeping giants, and I'd love to see both clubs back in Europe. You're not alone in hating Ken Bates though. Trust me, we can't stand that senile old Chelsea cunt. we are the opposite of Leeds in a way, or our fortunes have gone opposite ways. Newcastle were always one of the biggest clubs in the country and regularly won trophies before the 1960's. The longest we had ever gone was 1932 until 1951 without winning either the League or FA cup. We have now gone all that time since without winning a domestic trophy. Leeds on the other hand, were nothing until Don Revie, and had one great era. My point is that because yours is the more recent history, and you did have a great team [yes great, really great and were cheated in the European Cup Final in 1975] you are etched in minds more than us. Only because we have had such a dismal time ourselves though, or this would not be the case. I may be biased, but we are one of the biggest clubs in the country, no club in the world would get 50,000 crowds and not won a domestic trophy for half a century, while you struggle to fill a 44,000 stadium even when you are winning. Don't get me wrong, I;m not having a go, just stating a perspective.

Not sure if that's a joke. Lucky that they were a more attractive opportunity to Redknapp than we were? Fortunate to stumble on Jol where Ashley headhunted Kinnear? Lucky that they are in commuting distance from Sandbanks. Not as fortunate as us with Pardew when they appointed Santini and Ramos. didn't you back Ramos fervently, and the DOF system he was the head of ?

They've actually spent more than they earn. It's not the method, it's what you do with it, that,s why I said Spurs spent well, oh and probably the most important thing is striking it lucky with a manager Not sure if that's a joke. Lucky that they were a more attractive opportunity to Redknapp than we were? Fortunate to stumble on Jol where Ashley headhunted Kinnear? when Alan Sugar ran the club like a business, he also found Gerry Francis when we stumbled on Keegan ? And they had George Graham when we found Bobby Robson ? This sort of logic, defies belief, to be honest. It's just personality based ie any old stick to beat someone with. So juvenile it's untrue.

Ok. We will wait and see who is the most successful, and who laughs at Liverpool's transfer policy, and Andy Carroll. Threads like this, only show the site up in a juvenile light. Who seriously thinks that Liverpool's transfer policy is one that we didn't wish we were following ourselves ? The fact is that Andy Carroll knows he has moved to a club aiming higher and that decision is going to prove correct for him, unfortunately. That goes for Enrique too. I'll leave it, and let results back up what I;m saying.

I'm just replying to people ? Do you think I should say what they want to hear ? Is this not what Newcastle Online do ?

so you didn't insinuate that the smoggies had been more supportable than us because we "won nothing"? Have you been drinking ?

you've absolutely no idea at all.