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[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3313]

So KCG, is oil your sole economic argument or does Scotland have more other ways to fund itself? I don't know a whole lot about the Scottish indepence craic tbf.

 

No your right Scotland has no other economy other than oil. We have no Whisky or tourism or agriculture or manufacturing or service industry so we will solely rely on the oil.

I think he was just asking the question rather than trying to be arsey.

 

fair enough. It was not worded very well then.

[Guest alex]

So KCG, is oil your sole economic argument or does Scotland have more other ways to fund itself? I don't know a whole lot about the Scottish indepence craic tbf.

 

No your right Scotland has no other economy other than oil. We have no Whisky or tourism or agriculture or manufacturing or service industry so we will solely rely on the oil.

I think he was just asking the question rather than trying to be arsey.

 

fair enough. It was not worded very well then.

I fucking love whisky btw. Just purchased a bottle of Cragganmore at the weekend.

[Fop 1]

What a horrible, slimy Tory in twat's clothing that Alex Salmond is.

 

 

Scottish politics not your strong point then?

Perhaps I was being a bit strong but he seems to have moved a long way from his socialist roots in recent times.

 

It is cheaper to be a student in Scotland than anywhere else in Britain. pensioners don't pay for a lot. pretty soon no one will pay prescription charges. Our council tax for lower end families is coming down. We have in Scottish hydro elctric the cheapest fuel provider in Britain. Just defeated Tory and Lib Dem bill to de nationalise the water company. When the Tories win the next westminster elections it will gift Scotland to the Nats. In which case watch the moves toward becoming completely self sufficient in hydro wind and wave electricity.

 

 

You do realise that if you do the maths all that only works if you're NOT independent, but have the current have your cake AND eat situation at the moment?

[Guest alex]

What a horrible, slimy Tory in twat's clothing that Alex Salmond is.

 

 

Scottish politics not your strong point then?

Perhaps I was being a bit strong but he seems to have moved a long way from his socialist roots in recent times.

 

It is cheaper to be a student in Scotland than anywhere else in Britain. pensioners don't pay for a lot. pretty soon no one will pay prescription charges. Our council tax for lower end families is coming down. We have in Scottish hydro elctric the cheapest fuel provider in Britain. Just defeated Tory and Lib Dem bill to de nationalise the water company. When the Tories win the next westminster elections it will gift Scotland to the Nats. In which case watch the moves toward becoming completely self sufficient in hydro wind and wave electricity.

 

 

You do realise that if you do the maths all that only works if you're NOT independent, but have the current have your cake AND eat situation at the moment?

I agree.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3313]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil.

[Park Life 71]

So KCG, is oil your sole economic argument or does Scotland have more other ways to fund itself? I don't know a whole lot about the Scottish indepence craic tbf.

 

No your right Scotland has no other economy other than oil. We have no Whisky or tourism or agriculture or manufacturing or service industry so we will solely rely on the oil.

 

 

You will be invaded and bow down before King Boris Johnson.

[ewerk 27056]

So KCG, is oil your sole economic argument or does Scotland have more other ways to fund itself? I don't know a whole lot about the Scottish indepence craic tbf.

 

No your right Scotland has no other economy other than oil. We have no Whisky or tourism or agriculture or manufacturing or service industry so we will solely rely on the oil.

I think he was just asking the question rather than trying to be arsey.

 

fair enough. It was not worded very well then.

 

Was the bit where I said I didn't know a whole lot about the Scottish independence not a clue?

 

Obviously if Scotland got their hands on the oil revenues then they could afford investment in other parts of the economy but is it really enough to sustain the country once the oil runs out? Seems to be a short-sighted view in my uninformed opinion.

[Guest alex]

So KCG, is oil your sole economic argument or does Scotland have more other ways to fund itself? I don't know a whole lot about the Scottish indepence craic tbf.

 

No your right Scotland has no other economy other than oil. We have no Whisky or tourism or agriculture or manufacturing or service industry so we will solely rely on the oil.

I think he was just asking the question rather than trying to be arsey.

 

fair enough. It was not worded very well then.

 

Was the bit where I said I didn't know a whole lot about the Scottish independence not a clue?

 

Obviously if Scotland got their hands on the oil revenues then they could afford investment in other parts of the economy but is it really enough to sustain the country once the oil runs out? Seems to be a short-sighted view in my uninformed opinion.

That's being arsey btw KCG

[Gemmill 36106]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil.

 

And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales?

[ewerk 27056]

So KCG, is oil your sole economic argument or does Scotland have more other ways to fund itself? I don't know a whole lot about the Scottish indepence craic tbf.

 

No your right Scotland has no other economy other than oil. We have no Whisky or tourism or agriculture or manufacturing or service industry so we will solely rely on the oil.

I think he was just asking the question rather than trying to be arsey.

 

fair enough. It was not worded very well then.

 

Was the bit where I said I didn't know a whole lot about the Scottish independence not a clue?

 

Obviously if Scotland got their hands on the oil revenues then they could afford investment in other parts of the economy but is it really enough to sustain the country once the oil runs out? Seems to be a short-sighted view in my uninformed opinion.

That's being arsey btw KCG

 

Moi?

 

[Guest alex]

So KCG, is oil your sole economic argument or does Scotland have more other ways to fund itself? I don't know a whole lot about the Scottish indepence craic tbf.

 

No your right Scotland has no other economy other than oil. We have no Whisky or tourism or agriculture or manufacturing or service industry so we will solely rely on the oil.

I think he was just asking the question rather than trying to be arsey.

 

fair enough. It was not worded very well then.

 

Was the bit where I said I didn't know a whole lot about the Scottish independence not a clue?

 

Obviously if Scotland got their hands on the oil revenues then they could afford investment in other parts of the economy but is it really enough to sustain the country once the oil runs out? Seems to be a short-sighted view in my uninformed opinion.

That's being arsey btw KCG

 

Moi?

 

Oui

[Park Life 71]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil.

 

And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales?

 

The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess.

Edited May 14, 2008 by Park Life

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3313]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil.

 

And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales?

 

The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess.

 

According to recent studies the oil has a good few years left. But the point is the oil money will be used to invest. The main thing is the self sufficiency in non nuclear and non fossil fuel energy. That will make energy bills in Scotland a 3rd of their current rates. That means more money in the economy from businesses and households.

[Guest alex]

According to recent surveys commissioned by the SNP by any chance?

[Park Life 71]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil.

 

And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales?

 

The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess.

 

According to recent studies the oil has a good few years left. But the point is the oil money will be used to invest. The main thing is the self sufficiency in non nuclear and non fossil fuel energy. That will make energy bills in Scotland a 3rd of their current rates. That means more money in the economy from businesses and households.

 

 

If Scotland starts doing well it will be a travesty after sponging off us for all these years.

[ewerk 27056]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil.

 

And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales?

 

The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess.

 

According to recent studies the oil has a good few years left. But the point is the oil money will be used to invest. The main thing is the self sufficiency in non nuclear and non fossil fuel energy. That will make energy bills in Scotland a 3rd of their current rates. That means more money in the economy from businesses and households.

 

Electricity makes up only 20% of Scotland's energy use though so unless you're all going to be driving hybrids or find some magical substitute for oil you're still going to be very reliant on the outside world.

[Rob W 0]

What a horrible, slimy Tory in twat's clothing that Alex Salmond is.

 

 

you sound as if you've met him - I have and you are spot on - a real slime bag to be honest

[Rob W 0]

What a horrible, slimy Tory in twat's clothing that Alex Salmond is.

 

 

Scottish politics not your strong point then?

Perhaps I was being a bit strong but he seems to have moved a long way from his socialist roots in recent times.

 

It is cheaper to be a student in Scotland than anywhere else in Britain. pensioners don't pay for a lot. pretty soon no one will pay prescription charges. Our council tax for lower end families is coming down. We have in Scottish hydro elctric the cheapest fuel provider in Britain. Just defeated Tory and Lib Dem bill to de nationalise the water company. When the Tories win the next westminster elections it will gift Scotland to the Nats. In which case watch the moves toward becoming completely self sufficient in hydro wind and wave electricity.

 

 

 

that's because the English pay you.

[Rob W 0]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

 

No they'd get everything offshore - you have to draw a line out NE from Berwick to the median line with Norway - almost all the main OIL fields are North of this - the gas fields are in English waters

[Fop 1]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil.

 

And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales?

 

The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess.

 

According to recent studies the oil has a good few years left. But the point is the oil money will be used to invest. The main thing is the self sufficiency in non nuclear and non fossil fuel energy. That will make energy bills in Scotland a 3rd of their current rates. That means more money in the economy from businesses and households.

 

 

 

It's stuff like that that worries me.

 

It's a pipe-dream, it's flannel to sell you something that won't actually do what it says.

 

The technology simply isn't there for even a fairly small population to be "self sufficient" with non-nuclear and non-fossil fuel energy. Never mind with some of the infrastructure issues they'd have to deal with in Scotland geography.

 

 

 

 

Honestly that is as much pie in the sky as the Tories promising 0 tax for all.

[Guest alex]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil.

 

And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales?

 

The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess.

 

According to recent studies the oil has a good few years left. But the point is the oil money will be used to invest. The main thing is the self sufficiency in non nuclear and non fossil fuel energy. That will make energy bills in Scotland a 3rd of their current rates. That means more money in the economy from businesses and households.

 

 

 

It's stuff like that that worries me.

 

It's a pipe-dream, it's flannel to sell you something that won't actually do what it says.

 

The technology simply isn't there for even a fairly small population to be "self sufficient" with non-nuclear and non-fossil fuel energy. Never mind with some of the infrastructure issues they'd have to deal with in Scotland geography.

 

 

 

 

Honestly that is as much pie in the sky as the Tories promising 0 tax for all.

I agree.

[ChezGiven 0]

I thought Oil companies owned the oil?

[Guest alex]

I thought Oil companies owned the oil?

But the Scottish would get tax revenues presumably.

[Fop 1]

I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation.

 

According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil.

 

And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales?

 

The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess.

 

According to recent studies the oil has a good few years left. But the point is the oil money will be used to invest. The main thing is the self sufficiency in non nuclear and non fossil fuel energy. That will make energy bills in Scotland a 3rd of their current rates. That means more money in the economy from businesses and households.

 

 

 

It's stuff like that that worries me.

 

It's a pipe-dream, it's flannel to sell you something that won't actually do what it says.

 

The technology simply isn't there for even a fairly small population to be "self sufficient" with non-nuclear and non-fossil fuel energy. Never mind with some of the infrastructure issues they'd have to deal with in Scotland geography.

 

 

 

 

Honestly that is as much pie in the sky as the Tories promising 0 tax for all.

I agree.

We're agreed then.

[ChezGiven 0]

I thought Oil companies owned the oil?

But the Scottish would get tax revenues presumably.

They would, then they would have to trade the oil with others, which would impact the competitiveness of any other domestic industry through exchange rate effects. When the oil starts to run out, they'd be fucked as they would have no other competitive industries left. Better off being part of a more diversified economy. Its called Dutch disease if anyone is remotely interested....