Gemmill 36085 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I thought Oil companies owned the oil? But the Scottish would get tax revenues presumably. They would, then they would have to trade the oil with others, which would impact the competitiveness of any other domestic industry through exchange rate effects. When the oil starts to run out, they'd be fucked as they would have no other competitive industries left. Better off being part of a more diversified economy. Its called Dutch disease if anyone is remotely interested.... I bet they take loads of days off sick too. Has anyone ever met a Scotsman that didn't have a cold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I thought Oil companies owned the oil? But the Scottish would get tax revenues presumably. They would, then they would have to trade the oil with others, which would impact the competitiveness of any other domestic industry through exchange rate effects. When the oil starts to run out, they'd be fucked as they would have no other competitive industries left. Better off being part of a more diversified economy. Its called Dutch disease if anyone is remotely interested.... I bet they take loads of days off sick too. Has anyone ever met a Scotsman that didn't have a cold? You've got a cheek mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36085 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I thought Oil companies owned the oil? But the Scottish would get tax revenues presumably. They would, then they would have to trade the oil with others, which would impact the competitiveness of any other domestic industry through exchange rate effects. When the oil starts to run out, they'd be fucked as they would have no other competitive industries left. Better off being part of a more diversified economy. Its called Dutch disease if anyone is remotely interested.... I bet they take loads of days off sick too. Has anyone ever met a Scotsman that didn't have a cold? You've got a cheek mind. I'm never actually ill though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3311 Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation. According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil. And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales? The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess. According to recent studies the oil has a good few years left. But the point is the oil money will be used to invest. The main thing is the self sufficiency in non nuclear and non fossil fuel energy. That will make energy bills in Scotland a 3rd of their current rates. That means more money in the economy from businesses and households. It's stuff like that that worries me. It's a pipe-dream, it's flannel to sell you something that won't actually do what it says. The technology simply isn't there for even a fairly small population to be "self sufficient" with non-nuclear and non-fossil fuel energy. Never mind with some of the infrastructure issues they'd have to deal with in Scotland geography. Honestly that is as much pie in the sky as the Tories promising 0 tax for all. Scotland recently opened a new Hydro electric plant which wil at first provide electrisity to 250,000 homes. This output is a conservative start off figure. There have been 20 further sites in Scotland that have been identified as having the same or better potential. And as for transport I would say the era of the petrol driven engine is on the horizon with the improvements in hydrogen fuelled engine technology. And guess what gets made as a by product of some hydro electricity plants. Or from sea water which Scotland has in abundance. Scotland has a rosie future it seems a shame that the bitterness which used to reside here seems to have shifted south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 You've swallowed the spiel like. Well on your way to becoming a good politician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation. According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil. And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales? The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess. According to recent studies the oil has a good few years left. But the point is the oil money will be used to invest. The main thing is the self sufficiency in non nuclear and non fossil fuel energy. That will make energy bills in Scotland a 3rd of their current rates. That means more money in the economy from businesses and households. It's stuff like that that worries me. It's a pipe-dream, it's flannel to sell you something that won't actually do what it says. The technology simply isn't there for even a fairly small population to be "self sufficient" with non-nuclear and non-fossil fuel energy. Never mind with some of the infrastructure issues they'd have to deal with in Scotland geography. Honestly that is as much pie in the sky as the Tories promising 0 tax for all. Scotland recently opened a new Hydro electric plant which wil at first provide electrisity to 250,000 homes. This output is a conservative start off figure. There have been 20 further sites in Scotland that have been identified as having the same or better potential. And as for transport I would say the era of the petrol driven engine is on the horizon with the improvements in hydrogen fuelled engine technology. And guess what gets made as a by product of some hydro electricity plants. Or from sea water which Scotland has in abundance. Scotland has a rosie future it seems a shame that the bitterness which used to reside here seems to have shifted south. Wtf!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I love the notion the Scots aren't bitter like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I love the notion the Scots aren't bitter like I love the notion that the English aren't. There are arses in both countries.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Needs invading basically and the savages need reminding who their masters are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36085 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I love the notion the Scots aren't bitter like I love the notion that the English aren't. There are arses in both countries.... How's the cold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I love the notion the Scots aren't bitter like I love the notion that the English aren't. There are arses in both countries.... Calm down Sprockett Who suggested the English weren't like? I quite agree btw. Scottish football fans go on like the Mackems do with us though when it comes to the English, which is what I had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I love the notion the Scots aren't bitter like I love the notion that the English aren't. There are arses in both countries.... Calm down Sprockett Who suggested the English weren't like? I quite agree btw. Scottish football fans go on like the Mackems do with us though when it comes to the English, which is what I had in mind. Actively cheer on England's opponents, sad bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I hope you get independence too btw, BP runs the oil and they're based out of London which is where their tax is paid too, I'm sketchy on the oil situation is there any chance you can elaborate as to how Scotland will get all the money from oil if they get independence I know as far as they'll control 12 nautical miles from their coastline (maybe more) but the SNP seem to be over simplifying what seems to be a massively complex situation. According to the continental shelf act 1964 and the continental shelf (jurisdiction) order 1968 act 90% of UK oil resources come under Scottish jurisdiction. Regardless of where their head office is if Scotland gained independance they would have to pay the Scottish parliament for rights to the oil. And when the oil runs out, will the economy be propped up by Irn Bru sales? The oil has all but run out hasn't it?? There's always the fried Mars bars trade I guess. According to recent studies the oil has a good few years left. But the point is the oil money will be used to invest. The main thing is the self sufficiency in non nuclear and non fossil fuel energy. That will make energy bills in Scotland a 3rd of their current rates. That means more money in the economy from businesses and households. It's stuff like that that worries me. It's a pipe-dream, it's flannel to sell you something that won't actually do what it says. The technology simply isn't there for even a fairly small population to be "self sufficient" with non-nuclear and non-fossil fuel energy. Never mind with some of the infrastructure issues they'd have to deal with in Scotland geography. Honestly that is as much pie in the sky as the Tories promising 0 tax for all. Scotland recently opened a new Hydro electric plant which wil at first provide electrisity to 250,000 homes. This output is a conservative start off figure. There have been 20 further sites in Scotland that have been identified as having the same or better potential. And as for transport I would say the era of the petrol driven engine is on the horizon with the improvements in hydrogen fuelled engine technology. And guess what gets made as a by product of some hydro electricity plants. Or from sea water which Scotland has in abundance. Scotland has a rosie future it seems a shame that the bitterness which used to reside here seems to have shifted south. The two big problems with Hydroelectricity generation are: 1. Getting the required drop to make it viable & 2. Getting the required supply of water to make it reliable (which quickly leads to massive areas needing to be flooded and usually quite a few ecological issues). Both of those issues mean that viable sites run out very, very quickly. The largest one I remember recently in Scotland has said it will power anything from 35,000 to 250,000 homes (depending on whose PR man you believe I guess), we'll have to wait and see. The other stuff you mention, yes may well be economically and technologically viable eventually, but it's nothing like the case NOW or in the immediate future. As I said those promised are on the same scale as the Tories promising zero tax - make believe, bitterness has nothing to do with it, not having one's head filled with pie in the sky promises has quite a LOT to do with it however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27047 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Plus as I said earlier, electricity only accounts for 20% of Scotland's energy, the other 80% won't be easy to make up and as Fop says, viable substitutes won't be viable for a long time yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9016 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I love the notion the Scots aren't bitter like I love the notion that the English aren't. There are arses in both countries.... Calm down Sprockett Who suggested the English weren't like? I quite agree btw. Scottish football fans go on like the Mackems do with us though when it comes to the English, which is what I had in mind. Actively cheer on England's opponents, sad bastards. Yeah, the amount of English people roaring for Germany this summer will be staggering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I love the notion the Scots aren't bitter like I love the notion that the English aren't. There are arses in both countries.... Calm down Sprockett Who suggested the English weren't like? I quite agree btw. Scottish football fans go on like the Mackems do with us though when it comes to the English, which is what I had in mind. Actively cheer on England's opponents, sad bastards. Yeah, the amount of English people roaring for Germany this summer will be staggering... I will be. Mrs P has already decreed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I love the notion the Scots aren't bitter like I love the notion that the English aren't. There are arses in both countries.... Calm down Sprockett Who suggested the English weren't like? I quite agree btw. Scottish football fans go on like the Mackems do with us though when it comes to the English, which is what I had in mind. Actively cheer on England's opponents, sad bastards. Yeah, the amount of English people roaring for Germany this summer will be staggering... I will be. Mrs P has already decreed this. So will I. Can one of the mods change the title to "I blow jocks' please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Who's the funny cunt with the thread title then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 I've always had a bit of a thing about this SNP argument about N.Sea oil being Scottish. This argument means they believe that the revenue from the oil (massive revenue at that) is theirs and they (SNP) think it shouldn't be shared. Therefore, doesn't this argument mean they (SNP) are Tories i.e. mine, mine, mine and we don't want to share ?? Surely this attitude is the opposite of socialism ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 I love the notion the Scots aren't bitter like I love the notion that the English aren't. There are arses in both countries.... Calm down Sprockett Who suggested the English weren't like? I quite agree btw. Scottish football fans go on like the Mackems do with us though when it comes to the English, which is what I had in mind. Actively cheer on England's opponents, sad bastards. Yeah, the amount of English people roaring for Germany this summer will be staggering... I'm sure I replied to this earlier but it seems not...how strange. Anyway, I was referring to Scottish people wearing Argentina shirts when we played them in the world cup in 2002. Sad fuckers, you won't catch English fans doing the same for Germany. Like I said, it's one thing not cheering your rivals on, or hoping they lose, but actually supporting the other team just for the sake of it? Dicks. Btw my (English) mate is supporting Germany this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 I've always had a bit of a thing about this SNP argument about N.Sea oil being Scottish. This argument means they believe that the revenue from the oil (massive revenue at that) is theirs and they (SNP) think it shouldn't be shared. Therefore, doesn't this argument mean they (SNP) are Tories i.e. mine, mine, mine and we don't want to share ?? Surely this attitude is the opposite of socialism ? On a related note it's pretty interesting that Scottish nationalism (in its modern form) didn't really exist until the possibility of oil revenue appeared. Greed is a powerful factor. However really the SNP are onto a winner no matter what they do at the moment, with widespread dissatisfaction with Labour, and with the Tories the only credible UK wide alternative, almost anything can be claimed, blamed or bogiemanified to support them. I'm surprised the papers are giving them a harder time, if the "sustainable Scotland" stuff mentioned above is actually part of their official policy. Certainly any party in England proposing such a large amount of hot air would have been ripped to shreds by the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) My favourite bit of stand-up ever is about Scotland... "Scotishness is passed on through the male gene, like a disability." Edited May 15, 2008 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Who's the funny cunt with the thread title then? Not my work unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Who's the funny cunt with the thread title then? Power mad, I tell thee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9016 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Who's the funny cunt with the thread title then? Power mad, I tell thee. Keeps him away from his "Newcastle mini-corner" though, so it might be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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