Tom 13918 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Name one current musician who would have 50 suicides follow his death. Nirvana were something special and they summed up a lot of peoples feelings and thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Name one current musician who would have 50 suicides follow his death. Nirvana were something special and they summed up a lot of peoples feelings and thoughts. You're missing the point entirely Just because someone is followed into the grave by a hundred idiots proves nothing but the lemming like stupidity of the ones who jumped. They were impressive band, no doubt, and many people could identify with them. But Kurt Cobain was a miserable, talented musician, whose music was a Zeitgeist. Chicken and Egg if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13918 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Thus Cobain was speaking out against the hegemony of 80's cheese rock albeit non-directly and he was speaking for people - the same people who followed and developed the grunge scene which did speak for people. When it became mainstream he topped himself/ got murdered whatever but it did have a major effect on the people he was effectively speaking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Thus Cobain was speaking out against the hegemony of 80's cheese rock albeit non-directly and he was speaking for people - the same people who followed and developed the grunge scene which did speak for people. When it became mainstream he topped himself/ got murdered whatever but it did have a major effect on the people he was effectively speaking for. He wasn't speaking out man, he was telling his story, it was irrespective of the rest of the world. This is what bothers me, he was speaking for himself, and while people agreed with him, he was not speaking for the people. He's a Rock Star, not a politician, not a spiritual leader, just a common or garden variety rock star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13918 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Politicians speak for themselves and their wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Politicians speak for themselves and their wages. Don't get hung up on semantics, you see my point. I obviously meant what politicians are supposed to be; statesman, diplomats, orators of note. He was never a spokesman for anyone but himself. That people agreed with him is great, but don't be persuaded that this makes him anything but a useful focus for the general populations malaise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4030 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 he wrote songs and whatnot. Wannabe Black Francis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 2934 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Red Dwarf, Nirvana etc. They never represent the 80's. Both at their peak in the 90's. You could include the Simpsons and Seinfeld if you just look at when they were conceived. Both were started and going well in the mid/late-80's. Just because they weren't as fashionable as they were later doesn't matter. You might as well say that combats weren't invented until after 2000. Nirvana epitomise the 90s lashback against the 80's Fuck see this whole argument shits me because most people who claim to remember the eighties have only experienced the major commercialised shite or think they know. Yes you listed the shite in your first post but lets help you with some facts. music. From 1980 & if your argument that Nirvana were a 90s band then you have no ground to argue the following. The Clash - post their punk releases, this includes London calling as it was released Dec 14 1979. the jesus and mary chain The Smiths the cure talking heads the triffids the go-betweens echo and the bunnymen the furs nick cave/birthday party/the melbourne grunge movement (wreckery/blue ruin/hollowmen, etc) the mid eighties sydney grunge movement (lubricated goat/box the jesuit/beasts of bourbon/the scientists although originally from WA) http://antipodeanunderground.com/blog/ & http://blackeyerecords.blogspot.com/ all quoted as being influences on ... sub pop record bands - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_Pop killdozer tad dinosaur jr ministry caberet voltare bailter space 4AD including the pixies shoegazer as a music genre especially my bloody valentine, swervedriver, etc - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoegazing etc etc See people like yourself argue grunge was a 90s thing, bollocks. Major labels picked it up in the 90s but it was born and is a product of the 80s. As for film: blade runner dogs in space highlander luc besson's early work betty blue mad max 2 starstruck die hard troma films etc etc See HF your original post about 80's culture is just like the media's reportage of Newcastle, lazy, clichéd and inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Name one current musician who would have 50 suicides follow his death. Nirvana were something special and they summed up a lot of peoples feelings and thoughts. I can probably name a few that will cause 50 suicides if they don't kill themselves soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) Red Dwarf, Nirvana etc. They never represent the 80's. Both at their peak in the 90's. You could include the Simpsons and Seinfeld if you just look at when they were conceived. Both were started and going well in the mid/late-80's. Just because they weren't as fashionable as they were later doesn't matter. You might as well say that combats weren't invented until after 2000. Nirvana epitomise the 90s lashback against the 80's Fuck see this whole argument shits me because most people who claim to remember the eighties have only experienced the major commercialised shite or think they know. Yes you listed the shite in your first post but lets help you with some facts. music. From 1980 & if your argument that Nirvana were a 90s band then you have no ground to argue the following. The Clash - post their punk releases, this includes London calling as it was released Dec 14 1979. the jesus and mary chain The Smiths the cure talking heads the triffids the go-betweens echo and the bunnymen the furs nick cave/birthday party/the melbourne grunge movement (wreckery/blue ruin/hollowmen, etc) the mid eighties sydney grunge movement (lubricated goat/box the jesuit/beasts of bourbon/the scientists although originally from WA) http://antipodeanunderground.com/blog/ & http://blackeyerecords.blogspot.com/ all quoted as being influences on ... sub pop record bands - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_Pop killdozer tad dinosaur jr ministry caberet voltare bailter space 4AD including the pixies shoegazer as a music genre especially my bloody valentine, swervedriver, etc - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoegazing etc etc See people like yourself argue grunge was a 90s thing, bollocks. Major labels picked it up in the 90s but it was born and is a product of the 80s. As for film: blade runner dogs in space highlander luc besson's early work betty blue mad max 2 starstruck die hard troma films etc etc See HF your original post about 80's culture is just like the media's reportage of Newcastle, lazy, clichéd and inaccurate. I was immitating a channel 5 talking head, why would I be anything but? I'm fully aware there was a good deal of interesting stuff being done in the 80's, the point is that almost none of it permeated into the wider public conscious at the time. As a kid sat in the house with a radio and 4 tv channels there wasn't much airtime given over to bailter space. EDIT: Oh, and Bladerunner is cack. Edited September 19, 2008 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14185 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 You used to get those things. You know, with that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 You used to get those things. You know, with that stuff. I used to love Stuff, the marshmallow in a tub. Tried to find a picture, but I could only find Fluff, which looks like another brand of the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 If only they still made peanut butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 I don't really like peanut butter, although it is nice with fluff on toast. Haven't had that for ages though. Anyone mentioned deeley boppers yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14185 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 There was that TV programme everyone watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 Was it always just Fluff then? Christ, I'm senile. I'll go and stand with Rob W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14185 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Ah, Rob. The 80s were his 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 There was that TV programme everyone watched. Stop it you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Was it always just Fluff then? Christ, I'm senile. I'll go and stand with Rob W. I think it was just fluff, aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Those football shorts. Left a lasting impression on Meenzer no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14185 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Those football shorts. Left a lasting impression on Meenzer no doubt. You're telling me. Those things chafe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Those football shorts. Left a lasting impression on Meenzer no doubt. You're telling me. Those things chafe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Actually for some reason my first ever football strip was a Valencia away one, that's just reminded me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 I was born. The Stone Roses. Although that I'm sad I missed the 80s as a teenager for the music etc, and also because I missed the nineties as a young adult, I'm glad that I did - just think of the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 I was born. The Stone Roses. Although that I'm sad I missed the 80s as a teenager for the music etc, and also because I missed the nineties as a young adult, I'm glad that I did - just think of the photos. You couldn't have had that neo-mullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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