bez 0 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 If Shola can play that well in every game, he could be a 20 goal a season guy, and wear the no. 9 shirt with pride. I'm sitting here this morning with a hoarse voice, and it's primarily due to him - if this is the level he is going to play at, i'm prepared to eat my words, and withdraw my criticism of him. oh, and Bez, i can think of so many well constructed arguments to your atttempts at pot stirring, referencing an incident in 1984 is not valid, and a full reply would just legitimise your argument, so i wont. 48637[/snapback] Pot stirring? We know NEwcastle has racism problems. There are literally hundreds of incidents every season. listen at the ground, in the pubs, on forums. Alex Williams is the most obvious - hoying bananas at him. Its not shit-stirring. Its simply pointing out that we havent got rid of the problems. On KROF day it needs reaffirming. Tyneside isnt very tolerant. Its fickle alright but is there more? Probably yes. A lot more in my view. We, as fans need to be active. Not sticking head in sand like Peasepud has doen and throw arms in air. ITs not all or nothing. If some are - and there are plenty of them - it doesnt follow the peasepud path of sgetting stroppy and suggesting I said ALL are. Nor does it mean NONE are. However, there are plenty. Sadly. At matches some jeer poor players. Others? Well, its hardly coincidental is it? 48682[/snapback] There is a very very small minority of arseholes that will shout out something racist on very rare occasions. That's inexcusable, but I don't think it can accurately be referred to as a "racism problem" - that to me sounds like something deep-seated and widespread and I don't know whereabouts you sit in the ground, but that isn't my experience where I sit. And before anyone starts, I'm not excusing anything or trying to brush the racist comments that are sometimes (and I'm talking VERY rarely, in my experience) made under the carpet. To me, a club with "racism problems" would be one where a black player suffers monkey-chanting etc. I've heard one racist comment this season where I sit and probably two last season, both at away games - sorry, but that's an ignorant arsehole problem, not an entrenched racism problem. The argument that black players are receiving stick because they're black is ridiculous by the way. The ones that you've listed have got stick because they've been playing completely shite - playing the race card on their behalf is pathetic. 48696[/snapback] Personally i have no wish to re-open this can of worms. I said my piece before and i thought a very good debate followed. I also have no wish to create any divisions on here because i like all the regulars i 'know'. However Gemmil, if the last paragraph above is your view with regards to the attitude of all football fans in general, then i think it is a little blinkered. 48705[/snapback] Its a can of worms. Answer this Gemmill. Do Black players get an even playing field regarding abuse - even how 'shite' they are? We win yesterday and out comes the bile towards players who werent even playing? Is that just shit fans? Dont know do we? Babayaro has actually played well this season. He has to do twice what Stephen Carr does to avoid abuse. titus always has got more abuse than AOB. - even though both played poorly. In 2005 Gemmill you have heard racist abuse. In itself, even if its 'just' a slip of the tongue, its ridiculous. The undercurrent is still there in more than the morons though. Black people tend to have to work harder in life to prove themselves. there is documented evidence of that. I suspect that NUFCs black players fall into the same category. They have to do more to avoid the abuse. Nobody is doubting the players have had moments when they have been poor. However, they are one slip up away from more abuse. Others, like Milner, Carr, Ambrose, AOB (for a long long time), Griffin, ALL played badly but didnt get the same level of abuse. Why? Its not a race card Gemmill. Its a very important topic that doesnt need knee jerk replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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