GLOBAL WARMING

[Rob W 0]

"Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."

 

not bad , not bad

[Park Life 70]

The last two winters in Hamburg have been two of the coldest on record with mega snow falls.

[tooner 243]

if the melting the glaciers in greenland stops (or even slows) the warm gulf stream flow, europe will experience colder winters. no?

Edited December 23, 2010 by tooner

[Rob W 0]

defo!

[Guest alex]

I reckon it's a big global conspiracy that it's a big global conspiracy.

[Tooj 17]

I reckon it's a big global conspiracy that it's a big global conspiracy.

I heard that like, from the bloke in the pub today anyway.

[AgentAxeman 82]

You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

 

By Richard Littlejohn

A whole lot of wind: 'They have been consuming more electricity than they generate'

 

This is the season for quizzes. So ­fingers on buzzers, here’s your starter for ten. In percentage terms, how much electricity do Britain’s 3,150 wind ­turbines supply to the ­National Grid?

 

Is it: a) five per cent; ten per cent; or c) 20 per cent? Come on, I’m going to have to hurry you. No conferring.

 

Time’s up. The correct answer is: none of the above. Yesterday afternoon, the figure was just 1.6 per cent, according to the official website of the wholesale electricity market.

 

Over the past three weeks, with demand for power at record levels because of the freezing weather, there have been days when the contribution of our forests of wind turbines has been precisely nothing.

 

It gets better. As the temperature has plummeted, the turbines have had to be heated to prevent them seizing up. Consequently, they have been consuming more electricity than they generate.

 

Even on a good day they rarely work above a quarter of their theoretical capacity. And in high winds they have to be switched off altogether to prevent damage.

 

At best, the combined output of these monstrosities is equal only to that of a single, medium-sized, gas-fired power station.

 

To make matters worse, there is no way of storing the electricity generated on the rare occasions when they are working.

 

Yet the Government is ploughing ahead with plans to erect 12,500 of these War Of The Worlds windmills in the sea and across our green and pleasant. Some of them will be up to three times the size of the present structures.

 

Every time I drive up to North Norfolk, another crop of turbines has sprouted from the soil, disfiguring the scenery for miles around.

 

Swaffham, the picturesque location of Stephen Fry’s TV series Kingdom, is virtually surrounded. None of them ever seems to be turning. They just stand there, ominously, like invaders from outer space laying siege to the town.

 

Billions of pounds are being wasted on these worse-than-useless blots on the landscape. We’d be ­better off spending the money on snow ploughs.

 

While we’re on the subject of snow, Britain’s most tenacious ‘climate change denier’ Christopher Booker, occasionally of this parish, has just revealed the real reason why this country was so ill-prepared for the Arctic weather.

 

Airports, rail operators and local authorities all subscribe to the Met Office’s long-term forecasts. And over the past few years, the Met Office has become evangelical about ‘man-made global warming’.

 

Every weather forecast is now extruded through the prism of so-called climate change, even when all evidence points to the fact that the Earth is actually getting colder.

 

The Met Office’s predictions are based on a computer model which assumes ever-rising temperatures — so much so that it forecast that this winter would be significantly milder than the past two years.

 

Even though the winters of 2008 and 2009 were ferociously cold, they were dismissed as ‘random events’. The Met Office put the odds on a third harsh winter no higher than 20-1.

 

Those responsible for keeping our transport network running were stupid enough to swallow this bogus, optimistic forecast, and consequently failed to make proper provision for the blizzards which duly followed.

 

This, of course, was the same Met Office which predicted a ‘barbecue summer’ shortly before Britain was hit by gales and widespread flooding.

 

For this wildly inaccurate and deliberately skewed service, the British taxpayer is charged a staggering £200million a year.

 

Needless to say, the head of the Met Office is not even a weatherman. He’s a leading ‘climate change activist’ who buys into the propaganda pumped out by the fanatics at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) — exposed for blatantly suppressing evidence which contradicts their messianic belief in ­‘global warming’.

 

Back in 2000, the CRU’s Dr David Viner told The Independent that winter snowfalls would soon be a thing of the past.

 

‘Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,’ he predicted confidently.

 

Even when they are proved wrong, the warmists will never admit it. They simply move the goalposts — which is how global warming morphed into ‘climate change’.

 

You can’t argue with them. That’s because ‘climate change’ isn’t a ­science, it’s a religion. Sceptics are trashed as heretics.

 

The climate change lobby is a curious mix of cultists and cynical opportunists. As I write, Sky News is spotlighting a project on Humberside aimed at brainwashing ­children into believing that wind is the fuel of the future.

 

Call Me Dave bangs on about all the jobs which will be created by the ‘green economy’ — ignoring the fact that almost all Britain’s wind turbines are built and installed by foreign firms.

 

The defining characteristic of all fanatics is that they have no sense of the ridiculous.

 

According to the BBC, Town Halls across the country have been appealing to owners of 4x4s to offer lifts to ‘essential staff’ during the cold snap.

 

These would be the same 4x4s which these very same councils want to ban, because they cause global warming and kill polar bears.

 

 

 

I know a lot of you think he's a fruitcake but its still an interesting read.

[Rob W 0]

He did choose a time when we have a bloody big high pressure system sitting in top of us with no winds at all

 

You might as well ask the question -

 

"how many people are likely to suffer from a deadly disease by close exposure to a wind turbine a) 20% 10% c) 5%???"

 

All energy generation comes at a price - it just isn't always expressed in £££££££££££

[Happy Face 29]

Did anyone mention the climategate bods have been totally vindicated? It hasn't had much news coverage...

 

study funded by climate change skeptics confirms that global warming is happening at the rate questioned by “Climategate.”

 

http://the-scientist.com/2011/10/21/climate-change-not-exaggerated/

[DEADMAN 0]

hum i dont think it is a myth really i mean have you seen that movie er 2012 or that movie in new york where everything froze outs possible you know

[Barney 0]

Deadman has a point, HF.

[jonasjuice 0]

Hmmmmm. Slowly coming round to Stevies pooint of view re exdednay emanay.

[DEADMAN 0]

i mean im not saying what happens in movies would be true i just mean theas kind of things that happen in the world like floods tornadoes earthquakes tsunamis damaging hurricanes etc just seems its happening more often

[Park Life 70]

Did anyone mention the climategate bods have been totally vindicated? It hasn't had much news coverage...

 

study funded by climate change skeptics confirms that global warming is happening at the rate questioned by "Climategate."

 

http://the-scientist...ot-exaggerated/

 

All the planets are warming.

[Happy Face 29]

where's that research?

 

It's all made up. New scam to sell us all the things we already have again.

 

Good that you recalibrate your crackpot theories as evidence mounts against you

[Park Life 70]

where's that research?

 

It's all made up. New scam to sell us all the things we already have again.

 

Good that you recalibrate your crackpot theories as evidence mounts against you

 

That's still true if you think about it.

 

If it were made clear to Joe that we had little or no effect on it he wouldn't be pansying around the local Tesco looking for £10 light bulbs.

[Happy Face 29]

where's that research?

 

It's all made up. New scam to sell us all the things we already have again.

 

Good that you recalibrate your crackpot theories as evidence mounts against you

 

That's still true if you think about it.

 

If it were made clear to Joe that we had little or no effect on it he wouldn't be pansying around the local Tesco looking for £10 light bulbs.

 

I don't support recycle bins and cycle to work scheme bollocks while industry offsets my efforts over decades in single day. but irrespective of the human impact (which I think is contributing significantly) governments have a responsibility to slow warming as best they can with top down changes, not bottom up.

 

Earthquakes and tsunami's aren't man made but we still engineer better buildings and dams to improve our chances against them.

[Happy Face 29]

 

 

The surface of Greenland's massive ice sheet has melted this month over an unusually large area, Nasa has said.

 

Scientists said the "unprecedented" melting took place over a larger area than has been detected in three decades of satellite observation.

 

Melting even occurred at Greenland's coldest and highest place, Summit station.

 

The thawed ice area jumped from 40% of the ice sheet to 97% in just four days from 8 July.

 

Although about half of Greenland's ice sheet normally sees surface melting over the summer months, the speed and scale of this year's thaw surprised scientists, who described the phenomenon as "extraordinary".

 

Nasa said that nearly the entire ice cover of Greenland, from its thin, low-lying coastal edges to its centre, which is 3km (two miles) thick, experienced some degree of melting at its surface.

 

"When we see melt in places that we haven't seen before, at least in a long period of time, it makes you sit up and ask what's happening," Nasa chief scientist Waleed Abdalati said.

 

"It's a big signal, the meaning of which we're going to sort out for years to come."

 

He said that, because this Greenland-wide melting has happened before, Nasa is not yet able to determine whether this is a natural but rare event, or if it has been sparked by man-made climate change.

 

Scientists said they believed that much of Greenland's ice was already freezing again.

 

Until now, the most extensive melting seen by satellites in the past three decades was about 55% of the area.

 

According to ice core records, such pronounced melting at Summit station and across the ice sheet has not occurred since 1889.

 

The news comes just days after Nasa satellite imagery revealed that a massive iceberg, twice the size of Manhattan, had broken off a glacier in Greenland.

 

"This event, combined with other natural but uncommon phenomena, such as the large calving event last week on Petermann Glacier, are part of a complex story," said Nasa's Tom Wagner.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18978483

 

So this is where all the rain has come from this summer.

[trophyshy 6434]

Should we believe any of these dickheads?

 

That looks like it was knocked up on a ZX spectrum - far more likely than a little metal box with a camera hundreds of miles up in a vacuum , resisting space cancer.

Edited July 25, 2012 by trophyshy

[Happy Face 29]

The boy who cried Wolfy

[Renton 17824]

Plans to immunise all kids against flu today as well. A good day for our tinfoil hat lovers.

[Happy Face 29]

Plans to immunise all kids against flu today as well. A good day for our tinfoil hat lovers.

 

Has anyone said how much more will it cost to immunise 15,000,000 kids every year than to hospitalise 11,000?

 

Genuine question.

[ChezGiven 0]

50k to save a life is the cost-effectiveness angle.

[Renton 17824]

 

 

Has anyone said how much more will it cost to immunise 15,000,000 kids every year than to hospitalise 11,000?

 

Genuine question.

 

I'm sure JCVI will have done a full cost effectiveness analysis although afaik the purchase price with AstraZeneca has not been agreed. It's nasal though so is at least convenient and that might reduce costs.

[Park Life 70]

Should we believe any of these dickheads?

 

That looks like it was knocked up on a ZX spectrum - far more likely than a little metal box with a camera hundreds of miles up in a vacuum , resisting space cancer.