Rayvin 8367 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 But where will be honestly see himself going? He's never going to get to manage an upper half team now unless he drags one up himself - and even then, there's no guarantee they'd keep him once that was achieved. He'll never manage in the CL. He'll never get an international role now, surely. Â What's the point? The best he'll be able to manage is what he's been doing for his whole career. Building shite teams and avoiding relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42163 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I would retire if I was him. There's nothing left for him now in terms of career advancement, he's shot the whole thing. He's greedy as fuck when it comes to money though. That's the whole reason he lost the England job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 12581 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Do you really think his arrogance would allow that? Once the dust settles and he's coined in a ton on various football show sofas, he can always come out of retirement, for the right "project". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Given what we know about him, his motivation is money not career progression. He'll be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8367 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Money is a means to an end though. If he's stuck on just 'money' then the guy is a total fuckwi--oh, I see what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1839 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Aye if his sacking from the England job has proven anything it's that he's after the cash. Â But I think he'll also want to keep showing (in his mind that is) that he should be given a big job. Â Of course none of the big clubs would touch him now (they wouldn't have touched him before either like) but he won't allow himself to believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 But where will be honestly see himself going? He's never going to get to manage an upper half team now unless he drags one up himself - and even then, there's no guarantee they'd keep him once that was achieved. He'll never manage in the CL. He'll never get an international role now, surely. Â What's the point? The best he'll be able to manage is what he's been doing for his whole career. Building shite teams and avoiding relegation. I doubt he's arsed, as others have said he's completely driven by money, the only other thing he hangs his hat on is the fact he's never been relegated from the PL. This Sunderland side are complete dogshit, he knows they have no money to spend on players, so he'll know his chances at saving them from relegation are pretty close to zero. Â Aye he'll not get a upper mid table side but he'd no doubt get an offer from a side who are in a much more tenable position and he'll go there, it might not be this season but I can't see him going to the mackems for a combination of reasons (he was already on his way out, and the whole "I've never been relegated" spiel). Saying all that I'd be happy if he did because I think he's a dogshit manager and wouldn't stand a chance at keeping them up (again he needed two imploding sides to survive last time), it'd be brilliant to see both the tramps and that smug twat relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 He's greedy as fuck when it comes to money though. That's the whole reason he lost the England job. Correct and that's why he will go back into football.He still has a few pay-offs in him before he finally retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26385 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 he's has got a few more troughs to bury his hippo head into Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 12581 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 He'll end up managing Villa when they eventually go back up to the top flight and struggle to do more than last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 4698 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 He's slowly morphing into Gollum. His precious is the 3 points he hasn't got anymore, he wants it, his precious, nasty Mags'es has all the precious points'es. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 9342 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Apparently they still have big payments to make over the next 2 years on players they've bought and already sold on to other clubs Wage bill is at its limit too so they need to sell before they can buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4949 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I like how they go on about the magical 11 game unbeaten run. Ffs they avoided relegation because Everton's players rolled over to get Martinez the sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Including the final game of last season they're now on an 11 game un- win run.Good one eh? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42163 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I wonder if they'll sack Moyes if they lose to Bournemouth. He can't have too many chances left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8367 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 That seems to be what the press thinks but I reckon he'll get the Hull game. If he loses there, there's literally no point in keeping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Is there any point in sacking him though? They'll still go down and have had to pay him off, when they're broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 9342 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I wonder if they'll sack Moyes if they lose to Bournemouth. He can't have too many chances left. He's on a 4 year deal at roughly £3mil a season. Can't see Short being happy about spunking £10mil to sack him just after he's signed 10 new players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42163 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 If that argument held any water very few managers would get the sack in the first couple of seasons of their contract but the average length of time PL managers have been in situ is actually less than that, even taking into account the likes of Wenger. It's obviously not a decision he'll be happy about having to make though. Do you think Short's just going to let him keep losing games like? In theory you could say he'll keep him with next season in mind but in practice when does that ever happen? And would it work anyway given the negativity of having a manager who just got you relegated. That's before you even get onto the fans' view of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 12581 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Surely he'll have a relegation clause in his contract? Stick with him for this season, while lining up his replacement. If he keeps them up, pay him off with the Premier League cash, if he doesn't, operate the clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Well apparently Short wants out so I doubt he'll do anything that doesn't have a value attached. Depends whether he thinks spending the few million would give them a chance of staying up. I don't think it would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Maybe they could go and get some utter crank like Pearson, they seemed to think he was better than Benitez so they're welcome to the fucking horrible cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 would love that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 9342 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 If that argument held any water very few managers would get the sack in the first couple of seasons of their contract but the average length of time PL managers have been in situ is actually less than that, even taking into account the likes of Wenger. It's obviously not a decision he'll be happy about having to make though. Do you think Short's just going to let him keep losing games like? In theory you could say he'll keep him with next season in mind but in practice when does that ever happen? And would it work anyway given the negativity of having a manager who just got you relegated. That's before you even get onto the fans' view of him. Most teams haven't had 5 managers on long term contracts in the space of 3 seasons. Di Canio, Allardyce, Moyes and Poyet had an average of 18 games each and each signed 5-10 players in the transfer windows they had  There comes a point where Short just needs to stick with what he's got, even if that means getting relegated and rebuilding the club. The irony is it's probably cost him more to finish around 17th and sack a manager every few months than it would have losing the TV money post relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The idea that they can go down and do what we're doing is nonsense. They'll be in deep, deep financial trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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