Happy Face 29 Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 I care about this, why ???? If they are collecting everything (even this as I type now) that anyone anywhere in the whole world is producing via the social media/computer O/S's etc. in question, even with triggers on buzzwords in search programmes they'd need bazillions of folks employed to go through it. Don't give a shit personally (I'm not a baddy, nowt to hide) they can also stick a drone over my house 24/7/365 for all I care. The "nothing to hide" defense is a blinkered one, which I think presumes the data will only be used by the military. Naively in my opinion. "They" do not monitor who individuals are, or what they do, what photos of cats they put up. They are chasing an exhaustive cataloguing of every person on the planet. Every link a person has to other people. They can then categorize those people into large groups. Those groups can then be monitored and controlled by propaganda. I follow Glenn Greenwald, Al Jazeera, Noam Chomsky and Julian assange. I will be categorized in the group not likely to vote for either main party. If this group gets too big, then it will challenge the hegemony. Leazes Mag might follow the EDL, David Cameron and the British Army. He is in the group with nationalist tendencies. Always likely to go with the main parties, and likely to be diverted from struggles in the local leadership by increased rhetoric over war against ...say...Libya. This group is less dangerous, but needs to be monitored carefully, for polling which of the 2 main parties they are swaying between. Then there are the ignorant. people who follow Tulisa and Simon Cowell. They can almost be ignored as a group entirely. They will offer no challenges to the elites. Their data is useful only in terms of what can be sold to them. This group will join the riots if they aren't suitibly fed and watered and given the appropriate level of diversion. Total information awareness is about computer programs managing all this data and recomendations being made on the basis of huge populations. This is a subversion of democracy. Government controlling the people. Not people controlling the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) I care about this, why ???? If they are collecting everything (even this as I type now) that anyone anywhere in the whole world is producing via the social media/computer O/S's etc. in question, even with triggers on buzzwords in search programmes they'd need bazillions of folks employed to go through it. Don't give a shit personally (I'm not a baddy, nowt to hide) they can also stick a drone over my house 24/7/365 for all I care. Computers do the donkey work. They put stuff out there to see if you repeat it. It's as simple as that. Edited June 7, 2013 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 How long have I been saying this? Facebook: CIA front company (spyder networks was an idea they came up with in the canteen and took bets on it..) Gates: Globalist and Microsoft have a special back door for the Nsa and have had for 2 decades. Skype:Every call is recorded and has been from day one. Google: Think everyone knows what they have been doing for years now. Those sat navs btw are work on military satellites and all your movements can be monitored (the only slight saving grace has been cost apparently). Your mobile is your portable id chip.. The rfid in your passport 'talks' to terminals at airports, it isn't just what comes up on the screen at heathrow (so stop craning your neck to have a look).. What they're working on now is plume..This is a kind of colour coded you...'a halo' that changes colour according to the flagging of your communications for the day..(what you've been doing on the above platforms and calls your making and to what country). There is a virtual you out there. Correct again, its getting spooky. To your point though, you've been saying this for 7 or 8 years. When did the judge sign the order for Verizon to hand over their records? Shows like Homeland and 24 have been psychologically preparing us for this. We expect this level of government power in our entertainment, which makes it easier to swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 The "nothing to hide" defense is a blinkered one, which I think presumes the data will only be used by the military. Naively in my opinion. "They" do not monitor who individuals are, or what they do, what photos of cats they put up. They are chasing an exhaustive cataloguing of every person on the planet. Every link a person has to other people. They can then categorize those people into large groups. Those groups can then be monitored and controlled by propaganda. I follow Glenn Greenwald, Al Jazeera, Noam Chomsky and Julian assange. I will be categorized in the group not likely to vote for either main party. If this group gets too big, then it will challenge the hegemony. Leazes Mag might follow the EDL, David Cameron and the British Army. He is in the group with nationalist tendencies. Always likely to go with the main parties, and likely to be diverted from struggles in the local leadership by increased rhetoric over war against ...say...Libya. This group is less dangerous, but needs to be monitored carefully, for polling which of the 2 main parties they are swaying between. Then there are the ignorant. people who follow Tulisa and Simon Cowell. They can almost be ignored as a group entirely. They will offer no challenges to the elites. Their data is useful only in terms of what can be sold to them. This group will join the riots if they aren't suitibly fed and watered and given the appropriate level of diversion. Total information awareness is about computer programs managing all this data and recomendations being made on the basis of huge populations. This is a subversion of democracy. Government controlling the people. Not people controlling the government. Top post. *Remember though that the bad guys aren't necessarily 'the enemy'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Correct again, its getting spooky. To your point though, you've been saying this for 7 or 8 years. When did the judge sign the order for Verizon to hand over their records? Shows like Homeland and 24 have been psychologically preparing us for this. We expect this level of government power in our entertainment, which makes it easier to swallow. That's predictive programming in a nutshell. Society is changed through fiction not fact. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6541 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Surprised anyone would be surprised by this. We need to increase our surveillance of them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 If the world is really becoming too chaotic and over-populated, if the threat of violence is predicted to rise exponentially, if the economic power of China is destined to push Europe and the US into long term decline, you cant blame them for trying tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4052 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Related to this, the way people just accept this Bilderberg shit really angers me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36692 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I read Jon Ronson's book where he infiltrates a Bilderberg get together. What a bunch of creepy weirdos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 Related to this, the way people just accept this Bilderberg shit really angers me as well. I wouldn't mind Bildeberg so much if they had a few great minds in there from the worlds of science, history, anthropolgy.... People to offer any cautionary advice whatsoever. The Chatham house rule is valuable when people meet with the best intentions. It's geared exclusively to finance unfortunately though, which only worsens it's nefarious image. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-03/full-list-2013s-bilderberg-attendees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36692 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 The Bugle should be canny this week anyway. Or is it off cos John Oliver's about to do the Daily Show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6541 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I read Jon Ronson's book where he infiltrates a Bilderberg get together. What a bunch of creepy weirdos. What did he say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36692 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 What did he say? Here you go: http://m.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/mar/10/features.weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36692 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Parky appearing as Big Jim in this story btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 15106 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Ronson was told to "fuck off" by Dennis Healy in the doc he made to promote the book March on Watford today with pitchforks and flaming torches iyam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 The most shocking thing to me on this front page is that the Guardian costs £1.40 WTF? Who pays that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) If the world is really becoming too chaotic and over-populated, if the threat of violence is predicted to rise exponentially, if the economic power of China is destined to push Europe and the US into long term decline, you cant blame them for trying tbh. They plan to break the system of the West (strange I know)...The West as we know it is only a phase (the concentration military power, of capital and monopolisation of technology - this is nearly done). They know 'the west' and the consumer model isn't sustainable (the first dam is climate change - might as well call it behaviour modification because that is what it is). 'New normal' is part of the new lexicon (bails ins and so on...). Austerity and sustainabilty is the new language. The pretend democratic system is hived and colonised now by the corpocracy be it ngo's and foundations and think tanks with huge budgets and blue chip networking. Democracy is destined to be replaced by 'mandates' - 'scientific dictatorship' of a kind of wierd 'Brazil' like quasi-supra national bodies (the EU after the mask drops)...Nafta and so on... The new political tools are manufacturing 'flexible' opinions and ethics..Inflexible opionions and rituals and historical contexts of the mental space of individuals (the neighbourhood, the community) are to be broken, partly by borders coming down and partly by new culture touchstones that are impossible to posit an origin for...These ideas are from 'everywhere'...We lose our abilty to fight back when we cannot quite pinpoint 'who we are'... The future they want is not quite communist or capitalist, not quite socialist or market driven - a kind of alice in wonderland place where all the ideas are interchangeable with such speed and compleity that we lose track of it all. Our enemies wear national colours but are actually internationalists with no...............Homeland. Homelands and countries and cultural identies are just getting in the way now...It will all be erased digitally, it won't even be needed to do it biologically cause now our children think in micro-bites within tiny timeframes..They are taught to forget things quickly. Tribal norms are so old fashioned aren't they? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60MQ3AG1c8o http://www.breitbart...uction-Contract http://www.activistp...veals-more.html Edited June 7, 2013 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13921 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 The guy who has to read this thread must be desperate to go home. Because he's sat next to Parky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 Sounds like Greenwald has more to come.... I don't have time at the moment to address all of the fallout because - to borrow someone else's phrase - I'm Looking Forward to future revelations that are coming (and coming shortly), not Looking Backward to ones that have already come. ... When it comes to what the Surveillance State is building and doing in the dark, we are much more informed today than we were yesterday, and will be much more informed tomorrow than we are today, thanks to them. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/07/whistleblowers-and-leak-investigations Legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Sounds like Greenwald has more to come.... http://www.guardian....-investigations Legend He'd best book a bed in the Ecuadorian embassy sometime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 I think he'll be ok. Holder was backpedalling on the criminalisation of journalism yesterday. Told congress they won't be prosecuted... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/eric-holder-attorney-general-verizon-records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 ...it does open the gates for legal action though. Previously all attempts to sue the government for abuses of surveillance power were rejected by the courts because the program was so secret that no-one knew if their data was being collected or not. Now that it has been proven that basically EVERYONE is under surveillance, those claims will be flying back in...probably in a joint effort under the auspices of the ACLU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 The fact is that any terrorist, whistleblower or journalist worth their salt is already using these sorts of methods to ensure they are working in secret... http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/the-grid/after-doj-probe-high-level-encryption-online-anonymizers-become No-one is planning the next 9/11 on Facebook. The military rationale is absurd and those making the claim with straight faces should be hounded out of office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 7240 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 This is at odds with your rootin-tootin-gun-ownership-supportin stance though surely. I thought 'Mer'ca was all about the freedoms for you. Not at all, I am of the opinion I should be allowed to own a firearm if I so choose, I'm not, I don't lose sleep over it. I do no wrong, nowt to be scared of, except the scum who aforesaid sadly not allowed to have firearm I should be allowed to discharge in their direction should they enter my home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 7240 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Computers do the donkey work. They put stuff out there to see if you repeat it. It's as simple as that. And what buzzwords or hot-words/phrases do said computers search for, thousands likely, multiply by number of times globally the hot-words are committed to (Allah) t'internet (Allah) and your talking fucking massive amounts of sifting, someone at the end of it still has a HUGE mountain to plough through (Allah) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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