adios 717 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 (edited) AK will hit about 2/3 of the time on the flop, about 50% of the time with all five cards. When you are that short stacked you cant afford to fold if you miss with the first three cards so you are better of getting all the money in preflop. Add to that the 10% of the time the other player actually folds to your raise and allin preflop is the best way to play 194645[/snapback] So I guess the psychology is you want them to fold, but if they don't you still have a decent chance over 5 cards? Because if you're willing to bet all your chips, you can always see the 5 cards, right? Is that 2/3 supposed to be 1/3, or am I misunderstanding something? I'm assuming it's 2/3 of 50%, 33% overall? 194653[/snapback] your right about it all there, cept, the last part, which you have 50% of hitting something when all 5 cards are dealt. 194655[/snapback] Which is 33% of hitting on the flop, not 66%, that's what I was questioning. And you can feck off offering me a game, you've been at these cash games a lot longer than my never. I'd stand a better chance against Billy's fists. Edited September 7, 2006 by ObaGol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I've only been playing for 6 month, I'll play you for $2.20 heads up, which is like £1.60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3603 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 AK will hit about 2/3 of the time on the flop, about 50% of the time with all five cards. When you are that short stacked you cant afford to fold if you miss with the first three cards so you are better of getting all the money in preflop. Add to that the 10% of the time the other player actually folds to your raise and allin preflop is the best way to play 194645[/snapback] So I guess the psychology is you want them to fold, but if they don't you still have a decent chance over 5 cards? Because if you're willing to bet all your chips, you can always see the 5 cards, right? 194653[/snapback] yes I did mean 1/3, and yes you sre right. The AK bloke was shortest stack at the table and desperately needed chips, he should have been pleased to get the call as most of the time he would have doubled up. He should have been happy he played correctly and not about the results. To win long term you have to learn to be pleased when you get your money in ahead no matter what happens in the hand. Emotional control is what seperates the winners from losers more than anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I've only been playing for 6 month, I'll play you for $2.20 heads up, which is like £1.60 194661[/snapback] I'll give you a game soon enough, in the next couple of weeks, might want to make it a bit more interesting than that if you're up for it, though. Do you have an XBox 360 btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I've only been playing for 6 month, I'll play you for $2.20 heads up, which is like £1.60 194661[/snapback] I'll give you a game soon enough, in the next couple of weeks, might want to make it a bit more interesting than that if you're up for it, though. Do you have an XBox 360 btw? 194665[/snapback] Nope, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curry stained pilchard 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I've only been playing for 6 month, I'll play you for $2.20 heads up, which is like £1.60 194661[/snapback] Right, just signed up to ultimate bet. Where are you? Maybe send me a PM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 yes I did mean 1/3, and yes you sre right. The AK bloke was shortest stack at the table and desperately needed chips, he should have been pleased to get the call as most of the time he would have doubled up. He should have been happy he played correctly and not about the results. To win long term you have to learn to be pleased when you get your money in ahead no matter what happens in the hand. Emotional control is what seperates the winners from losers more than anything else 194662[/snapback] Cheers for the tips; if only you learned as much every day as you do the first day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Nope, why? 194666[/snapback] There's a hold 'em game on the arcade and you can use voice comms, someone on here was doing 10 quid tournaments and settling by paypal, sounds a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckypierre 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I've only been playing for 6 month, I'll play you for $2.20 heads up, which is like £1.60 194661[/snapback] I'll give you a game soon enough, in the next couple of weeks, might want to make it a bit more interesting than that if you're up for it, though. Do you have an XBox 360 btw? 194665[/snapback] I'll send you an invite for the next one we do if you want. Its only a tenner. I imagine you miss out a bit on PC with no voice comms. I play with a few weegies who know each other in the real world, they're constantly at each other, funny as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I don't think I can send PM's..... anyone who wants to play just add my MSN Mark_r1987@hotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3603 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 yes I did mean 1/3, and yes you sre right. The AK bloke was shortest stack at the table and desperately needed chips, he should have been pleased to get the call as most of the time he would have doubled up. He should have been happy he played correctly and not about the results. To win long term you have to learn to be pleased when you get your money in ahead no matter what happens in the hand. Emotional control is what seperates the winners from losers more than anything else 194662[/snapback] Cheers for the tips; if only you learned as much every day as you do the first day! 194670[/snapback] The brutal truth is the more you learn the more you realise how little you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckypierre 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Nope, why? 194666[/snapback] There's a hold 'em game on the arcade and you can use voice comms, someone on here was doing 10 quid tournaments and settling by paypal, sounds a good idea. 194672[/snapback] timing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I'll send you an invite for the next one we do if you want. Its only a tenner. I imagine you miss out a bit on PC with no voice comms. I play with a few weegies who know each other in the real world, they're constantly at each other, funny as. 194674[/snapback] Sounds like a plan, cheers for the Saint's Row invite last night, I was finishing a mission and heading over when the car disappeared and left 2 people floating in the middle of the road, complete crash, that was enough for me. I had a wee go of multiplayer, what's the biggest level in terms of city blocks? I assume there's a few decent cars on some of the levels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 The brutal truth is the more you learn the more you realise how little you know. 194677[/snapback] Universally true, except for Leazes, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckypierre 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I'll send you an invite for the next one we do if you want. Its only a tenner. I imagine you miss out a bit on PC with no voice comms. I play with a few weegies who know each other in the real world, they're constantly at each other, funny as. 194674[/snapback] Sounds like a plan, cheers for the Saint's Row invite last night, I was finishing a mission and heading over when the car disappeared and left 2 people floating in the middle of the road, complete crash, that was enough for me. I had a wee go of multiplayer, what's the biggest level in terms of city blocks? I assume there's a few decent cars on some of the levels? 194681[/snapback] god knows. They arent really structured the same. I've not felt that they're too small though. Some of the indoor ones are pretty big. Pimped out ride is the best mode and you get 3 respawning vehicles per side and a couple scattered around the map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Nice one. I've tried to drag things back on topic from accumulators and left it talking about Saint's Row; result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 360 Hold 'em will also have video support soon, should be fun. One of the poker softwares I used today mentioned something about video in the options, but a quick search doesn't uncover anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Fat boy won 2-0 and took $10 off me. Was a pretty long game for a turbo heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curry stained pilchard 0 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Fat boy won 2-0 and took $10 off me. Was a pretty long game for a turbo heads up. 194754[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Example #1: It's a $3/6 game and you are dealt T7o in the BB. Two limpers come in and the SB folds (pot $10). You check and the flop comes T-8-6 rainbow. You check, first limper bets, other two fold and it's now up to you. The pot is now at $13 with $3 to call, giving you 4.3:1 odds. Your total outs on this hand are 7 (3 outs to hit two pair and 4 outs to hit your inside straight, assuming your opponent has top pair/better kicker or overpair). At 7 outs, this puts your draw at 5.6:1, which compared to your 4.3:1 pot, means with conventional odds theory, that you should fold this hand. However, if you take into account implied value and the fact that the implied value is doubling on the turn, this actually makes your draw a 3.6:1 proposition. This may be hard for you to wrap your head around, so let's do some actual number crunching... Now, the example works for the purposes of what he's trying to say, but something about it is bugging me, why's he not included the two Tens as outs? Anyone got any decent recommendations of poker forums I should join? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34464 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 I don't know. I'm pretty sure he should be including the tens. I could understand him excluding one if the flop gave someone a flush draw, but as things stand I think he should have included the remaining tens as 2 outs. Somebody might know better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curry stained pilchard 0 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Example #1: It's a $3/6 game and you are dealt T7o in the BB. Two limpers come in and the SB folds (pot $10). You check and the flop comes T-8-6 rainbow. You check, first limper bets, other two fold and it's now up to you. The pot is now at $13 with $3 to call, giving you 4.3:1 odds. Your total outs on this hand are 7 (3 outs to hit two pair and 4 outs to hit your inside straight, assuming your opponent has top pair/better kicker or overpair). At 7 outs, this puts your draw at 5.6:1, which compared to your 4.3:1 pot, means with conventional odds theory, that you should fold this hand. However, if you take into account implied value and the fact that the implied value is doubling on the turn, this actually makes your draw a 3.6:1 proposition. This may be hard for you to wrap your head around, so let's do some actual number crunching... Now, the example works for the purposes of what he's trying to say, but something about it is bugging me, why's he not included the two Tens as outs? Anyone got any decent recommendations of poker forums I should join? 195288[/snapback] Maybe he's disregarding it because of this? i.e. on the assumption that it's already beat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34464 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Three of a kind 10s beats top pair though, so the 10s are still outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34464 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 (edited) Ah sorry, see what you meant. Still a daft assumption though because if his opponent has overpair, the 10s are still outs. Edited September 8, 2006 by Gemmill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curry stained pilchard 0 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Three of a kind 10s beats top pair though, so the 10s are still outs. 195337[/snapback] Maybe he's bringing it down to the lowest common demoninator, i.e. the opponent could also get trips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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