"British Born" Terrorists

[spongebob toonpants 3643]

So Leazes, where do you stand on the democratically elected members of Sinn Fein Gerry Banks and Martin McGuiness.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

So Leazes, where do you stand on the democratically elected members of Sinn Fein Gerry Banks and Martin McGuiness.

 

I'd stand on their throats personally!

[Matt 0]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5336360.stm

 

We can't deport these cunts if they have British passports.....so surely the reason they turn out wanting to blow up other British people is because we have allowed them to continue to live a "non British" lifestyle ..... and the fact we are continuing down this road can't lead to an improved situation in the future ?

 

Discuss. Who doesn't agree, and why ?

 

It's an unfortunate side effect of the freedom Britain affords its residents that people have more freedom to harm the country. The irony being they are trying to destroy the freedom that given them room to operate.

 

The only solution is to maintain good intelligence and not to tolerate those who preach for the destruction of the country. This is cut-and-dried treason and should be punished accordingly.

 

From what I've seen on TV most of these British suicide bombers were known as 'good kids' then became obsessed with extremist Islamic groups. Young, disenfranchised men have always been and always will be easy prey for the cowards running these operations. I don't doubt some of the bombers were evil and hate filled, but I cannot avoid the feeling that vulnerable people have been brainwashed into mass murder. They are guilty, of course, but it is the masterminds who are the outright culprits.

 

We must not tolerate preachers of hate. That doesn't mean disapprove in public. It means they are to be locked up and denied the opportunity to communicate with the outside world and spread further hatred.

 

I don't beleive it's because they haven't led a 'British' way of life because that is impossible to define. You could draw ethnic, religious of language lines but there are any number of 'ways of life' across the social spectrum. Is the the way of life in Mayfair the same as in Moss Side, that of a stockbroker the same as a streetsweeper? They'll have different values too, surely?

[LeazesMag 0]

So Leazes, where do you stand on the democratically elected members of Sinn Fein Gerry Banks and Martin McGuiness.

 

Refer to my previous comments about ALL terrorists. Where do YOU stand ? Do you defend them the same as you do muslim terrorists ?

 

By not taking their seats in Parliament, they are certainly saying they don't consider themselves to be British, agree ? And do you think the purpose of the IRA's bombing campaign EVER attempted to impose their will or goals on or in mainland UK, as Muslims do now ?

[LeazesMag 0]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5336360.stm

 

We can't deport these cunts if they have British passports.....so surely the reason they turn out wanting to blow up other British people is because we have allowed them to continue to live a "non British" lifestyle ..... and the fact we are continuing down this road can't lead to an improved situation in the future ?

 

Discuss. Who doesn't agree, and why ?

 

It's an unfortunate side effect of the freedom Britain affords its residents that people have more freedom to harm the country. The irony being they are trying to destroy the freedom that given them room to operate.

 

The only solution is to maintain good intelligence and not to tolerate those who preach for the destruction of the country. This is cut-and-dried treason and should be punished accordingly.

 

From what I've seen on TV most of these British suicide bombers were known as 'good kids' then became obsessed with extremist Islamic groups. Young, disenfranchised men have always been and always will be easy prey for the cowards running these operations. I don't doubt some of the bombers were evil and hate filled, but I cannot avoid the feeling that vulnerable people have been brainwashed into mass murder. They are guilty, of course, but it is the masterminds who are the outright culprits.

 

We must not tolerate preachers of hate. That doesn't mean disapprove in public. It means they are to be locked up and denied the opportunity to communicate with the outside world and spread further hatred.

 

I don't beleive it's because they haven't led a 'British' way of life because that is impossible to define. You could draw ethnic, religious of language lines but there are any number of 'ways of life' across the social spectrum. Is the the way of life in Mayfair the same as in Moss Side, that of a stockbroker the same as a streetsweeper? They'll have different values too, surely?

 

I totally agree with the first 4 paragraphs. Although I agree in principle with the 5th one, this is where it becomes difficult, the solution is not easy, allowing them to live "seperately" as they do doesn't encourage anything other than intolerance of the country they are living in IMO, because in essence Islam is an intolerant, fanatical, and growing, faith.

[Tom_NUFC 0]

[i am not Irish - as it appears you might be,

 

I'm not. My Grandad was born in Ireland, but moved to Northumberland when he was 6. And he died before I was born, so any connection I have to Ireland is fairly distant.

 

 

Anyway, what would you do with Islamic terrorists who happen to be born and raised in Britain?

 

I'm not denying that it isn't a massive problem that needs dealing with, but how can we deport or palm off terrorists who are from Britain, who are whether anyone (including themselves) likes it or not, British citizens.

 

If they're British, then they're our problem.

[Matt 0]

I totally agree with the first 4 paragraphs. Although I agree in principle with the 5th one, this is where it becomes difficult, the solution is not easy, allowing them to live "seperately" as they do doesn't encourage anything other than intolerance of the country they are living in IMO, because in essence Islam is an intolerant, fanatical, and growing, faith.

 

I guess it depend how you look at what is 'British'. I bet your Home Counties middle-englanders would see Britain in a different way to you or I might (unless you like Pimms, LM?).

 

Is the way some Asian communities choose to isolate themselves (Bradford being the recent example) any different to these walled estates filled with luxury houses and Lexi? Should we be getting the well-to-do to put more effort into hobnobbing with the common man in the same way we are expecting Muslims to integrate into an Anglo-Saxon Christian culture?

 

Crucially, does the state have the right to stop people isolating themselves?

[Lazarus 0]

What about them ?

 

The point is we have people in this country trying to blow us up, hiding behind British passports. And people like some of you lot defend them and find excuses not to try to root them out. Should have known really like ....

 

As the IRA were attempting to overturn a democratically elected govt of NI, it goes without saying that you can see how the organisations you name thought they had a point in fighting back - in fact it wouldn't be a bad thing if some people in this country took the law into their own hands too, and hunted down those who are attempting to bomb YOU, just so long as they make sure they get the right people than I for one would applaud it.

 

Unless of course you are one of those happy to stand back and do nothing while it escalates, and DOES affect you more directly.

 

Leazes is now condoning terrorism! I thought at least he'd never be that stupid. It's ok to fuck up innocent lives, women, children, whatever, as long as it's THEM!

 

Aye it's OK you see, because it was against people who weren't/didn't want to be British, so that doesn't count, they're not really terrorists because they don't pose a direct threat to us.

 

In my oppinion the Loyalist paramilitaries were as bad as the IRA, INLA etc.

 

The government of NI was not exactly democratic even in the 70s. The Protestants could vote, but not the Catholics. It's incredible to think this went on in the UK in the not so distant past. The Catholic community in NI was also shafted in terms of public services, cases of young, single Protestants moving out of home getting council houses straight away, ahead of Catholic families who'd been waiting years etc.

 

The fact is that with NI, both the Republicans and Loyalists had/have valid points, and now they're starting to recognise that, which is why they're making progress.

 

The Terrorists though were scum - IRA and UDA.

 

I'll not lie, I've always found myself more sympathetic to the Republicans, but I think the IRA were scum.

 

i was always under the impression they were as bad as each other.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3277]

The problem we have at the moment is the attempt by current government to be all things to all men. We have unfortunately a very religious oriented government. This is a bad thing. The Government of the UK in my opinion should be purely secular. The idea of seperate faith schools is preposterous. Seperatism only leads to misunderstanding and resentment. All schools should be non faith schools and funded in exactly the same way. All faiths should be represented in the schools but only as a choice of parents to study RE. If RE is studied all religions must be given equal footing. It is also my belief that a rethink on human rights were religion is concerned is needed. People have a right to a religion. However when that religion comes up against rules already in place agreed by a majority the religion must come second.

 

As for terrorists they should be given life without parole. It is also up to the muslim community of Britain to start publicly denouncing them.

 

For the record I have my own religious ideas based on Christianity. Thats the real stuff where love and forgiveness are the 2 main components.

[Mowen 0]

From what I've seen on TV most of these British suicide bombers were known as 'good kids' then became obsessed with extremist Islamic groups. Young, disenfranchised men have always been and always will be easy prey for the cowards running these operations. I don't doubt some of the bombers were evil and hate filled, but I cannot avoid the feeling that vulnerable people have been brainwashed into mass murder. They are guilty, of course, but it is the masterminds who are the outright culprits.

 

I agreed with a fair amount of what you posted, but this is the bit I wanted to elaborate on.

 

I agree that there are people who are seemingly being turned from being "good kids" into potential or even all to real terrorists, and I think we need to look at why this problem has seemingly escaled in recent years. What can it possibly be that has led to a form of propaganda so powerful that people are willing to attack the country they have been brought up in?

 

Obviously we need to do all we can to prevent terrorism wherever possible, but we can only begin to solve this problem by going to the roots of it.

[adios 717]

I'll not lie, I've always found myself more sympathetic to the Republicans, but I think the IRA were scum.

 

i was always under the impression they were as bad as each other.

 

Republicans are people who want a 32 county, united Ireland. To call them as bad as people who spill the blood of innocents is a smidgen extreme. There's a correlation, but I think to tar them all with the same brush would be a mistake. Anyway, most/all terrorism I'm aware of springs up under an oppressive regime, as they require local supporters, financiers and recruits. Unionist terrorists do not fall into that category, so it's easy to see why the sympathy would not lie with them.

 

I am sympathetic with the Anarchists/Socialists/Marxists during the Spanish Civil War, I have no Spanish blood that I am aware of, it's strange that anyone would think I had to to understand their cause.

[Guest alex]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5336360.stm

 

We can't deport these cunts if they have British passports.....so surely the reason they turn out wanting to blow up other British people is because we have allowed them to continue to live a "non British" lifestyle ..... and the fact we are continuing down this road can't lead to an improved situation in the future ?

 

Discuss. Who doesn't agree, and why ?

I wish someone would deport you.

[luckypierre 0]

I cant believe Leazes got so many replies with such obvious bait

 

"non British" lifestyle

 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3277]

I'll not lie, I've always found myself more sympathetic to the Republicans, but I think the IRA were scum.

 

i was always under the impression they were as bad as each other.

 

Republicans are people who want a 32 county, united Ireland. To call them as bad as people who spill the blood of innocents is a smidgen extreme. There's a correlation, but I think to tar them all with the same brush would be a mistake. Anyway, most/all terrorism I'm aware of springs up under an oppressive regime, as they require local supporters, financiers and recruits. Unionist terrorists do not fall into that category, so it's easy to see why the sympathy would not lie with them.

 

I am sympathetic with the Anarchists/Socialists/Marxists during the Spanish Civil War, I have no Spanish blood that I am aware of, it's strange that anyone would think I had to to understand their cause.

 

 

I.R.A. = Irish Republican Army. Why are you trying to disassociate the two?

[Guest alex]

Because not all Republicans are terrorists/support the IRA?

[adios 717]

I.R.A. = Irish Republican Army. Why are you trying to disassociate the two?

 

As a matter of interest, do think think George W. Bush is a member of the IRA?

[adios 717]

Because not all Republicans are terrorists/support the IRA?

 

Aye, not only do I not support terrorists, I don't even believe in a united Ireland, quite a common sentiment in the Republic. Doesn't stop me understanding the obvious difference between a Republican and a terrorist.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3277]

Because not all Republicans are terrorists/support the IRA?

 

Aye, not only do I not support terrorists, I don't even believe in a united Ireland, quite a common sentiment in the Republic. Doesn't stop me understanding the obvious difference between a Republican and a terrorist.

 

 

The IRA is the military wing of the Irish Republican movement. Their political head being SInn Feinn whose 2 most senior members are Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness both of whom were active members of the IRA. Martin McGuinness was commander in CHief.

[Guest alex]

Because not all Republicans are terrorists/support the IRA?

 

Aye, not only do I not support terrorists, I don't even believe in a united Ireland, quite a common sentiment in the Republic. Doesn't stop me understanding the obvious difference between a Republican and a terrorist.

 

 

The IRA is the military wing of the Irish Republican movement. Their political head being SInn Feinn whose 2 most senior members are Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness both of whom were active members of the IRA. Martin McGuinness was commander in CHief.

It was the military wing of Sinn Fein actually. Not the whole Republican movement. Also, hasn't their share of the vote has increased since they began negotiations with the British Government and got involved in the peace process etc.?

[adios 717]

The IRA is the military wing of the Irish Republican movement. Their political head being SInn Feinn whose 2 most senior members are Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness both of whom were active members of the IRA. Martin McGuinness was commander in CHief.

 

The term "Republican" has evolved in Ireland to include anyone who belives in a 32 county Republic. To say that terrorism, or support of terrorist actions is implicit is just wrong, it's that simple, probably the only simple thing about the whole fucking affair. If you want to talk about the political arm of a terrorist organisation, that's a different matter.

[Rob W 0]

Of course our American allies really helped us extraditing IRA operatives didn't they?

[Guest alex]

Of course our American allies really helped us extraditing IRA operatives didn't they?

They only became terrorists post 9/11 though.

[adios 717]

My understanding has always been a united Ireland wasn't entirely popular in the Republic and I can see why - but I wondered what your reasons were?

 

I don't want to get into the intricacies of it, but put simply, it's not "ours" anymore. There are people who want a variety of things and moving it from the UK to the Republic would create as many problems as it would solve, and that is the key issue, ensuring as many people as possible inside the borders of NI are happy with whatever system of government they are under. There's also the small fiscal matter of whether Ireland could keep it in the manner to which it has become accustomed.

 

The ideal situation would be for it to become an independent country, but I'm not sure that's economically viable, which is of course what started the whole mess in the first place.

[Rob W 0]

"here are people who want a variety of things and moving it from the UK to the Republic would create as many problems as it would solv"

 

aye a lot of folk would have to get a proper job instead of sponging off the British taxpayer for a start

[Guest alex]

"here are people who want a variety of things and moving it from the UK to the Republic would create as many problems as it would solv"

 

aye a lot of folk would have to get a proper job instead of sponging off the British taxpayer for a start

Let's make all areas of the UK with high unemployment independent then