Jose

[Guest alex]

Agree about Simpson like Marko and I admire his honesty / work ethic. Decent cover at best if we go up.

[donaldstott 0]

no one player we have playing for us in my opinion is good enough for a top half premiership side (even Enrique) . it's a damning verdict of the players we have but, I beleive it to be truthful.

 

next season is about consolidation. nothing more than that unless we find a whole team on the cheap.

 

I agree but think Harper is more than capable of playing top half top flight football.

 

The big difference between the two divisions has been highlighted by John Terry's lack of form. Everytime he's jumped early for a header, or missed a tackle the ball has ended up in the back of the net, that doesn't happen in the Championship. We might have the best defensive record in the country at the moment, but that'll soon change in the top flight.

[LeazesMag 0]

Steven Taylor is possibly back again too. He's very close.

[acrossthepond 707]

We have a back five that would see us survive in the prem. Unfortunately the entire midfield and forwards need replacing.

 

None of them will cut it next year in the prem. (routledge maybe).

 

I dont understand this...

 

Gutierrez will do fine

Barton has ALOT of PL experience but also ALOT to prove.

Smith ALOT of PL experience.

Guthrie has a good amount of PL experience.

Raylor good amount of PL experience.

 

None of the above are fantastic footballers but should do a job in the PL.

 

Im not saying that its good enough, it does need improving but its not as bad as some make out.

 

New owner in and a cheeky 10mil bid for Rodwell and play him instead of Smith.

 

Jonas and Guthrie will do fine for our ambitions next year. R. Taylor is a Championship player, I'm not sure Barton will even play 5 more games for NUFC (and he's worthless anyway), and the less said about Smith, the better. "A lot" is two words, by the way.

 

As for CT's post, need I remind you under whose watch all of the players you rate as not good enough for the PL were brought in? For all you talk about Ashley running our club as a business, "lean and mean," you appear to be conceding that he's lumbered the club with dross. Parker, Milner, N'Zogbia et al may have been on mega wages, but at least they were Premier League quality. Now we've got no money (thanks to being relegated owing to Fat Mike's terrible decisions and the shit players brought in by the shit staff he employed) and no good - even decent - players. I know which situation I'd prefer.

 

This transfer window brought us one potential PL player in Routledge and one player who might provide passable cover in the PL (Simpson). It also brought in someone who isn't even good enough for this level, let alone the PL. There were plenty of signs of planning for the short term, as evidenced by good loan deals so far this season, but there are little to no signs of planning for regaining our status as a Premier League club.

[LeazesMag 0]

We have a back five that would see us survive in the prem. Unfortunately the entire midfield and forwards need replacing.

 

None of them will cut it next year in the prem. (routledge maybe).

 

I dont understand this...

 

Gutierrez will do fine

Barton has ALOT of PL experience but also ALOT to prove.

Smith ALOT of PL experience.

Guthrie has a good amount of PL experience.

Raylor good amount of PL experience.

 

None of the above are fantastic footballers but should do a job in the PL.

 

Im not saying that its good enough, it does need improving but its not as bad as some make out.

 

New owner in and a cheeky 10mil bid for Rodwell and play him instead of Smith.

 

Jonas and Guthrie will do fine for our ambitions next year. R. Taylor is a Championship player, I'm not sure Barton will even play 5 more games for NUFC (and he's worthless anyway), and the less said about Smith, the better. "A lot" is two words, by the way.

 

As for CT's post, need I remind you under whose watch all of the players you rate as not good enough for the PL were brought in? For all you talk about Ashley running our club as a business, "lean and mean," you appear to be conceding that he's lumbered the club with dross. Parker, Milner, N'Zogbia et al may have been on mega wages, but at least they were Premier League quality. Now we've got no money (thanks to being relegated owing to Fat Mike's terrible decisions and the shit players brought in by the shit staff he employed) and no good - even decent - players. I know which situation I'd prefer.

 

This transfer window brought us one potential PL player in Routledge and one player who might provide passable cover in the PL (Simpson). It also brought in someone who isn't even good enough for this level, let alone the PL. There were plenty of signs of planning for the short term, as evidenced by good loan deals so far this season, but there are little to no signs of planning for regaining our status as a Premier League club.

 

 

can't argue with any of that

[Guest alex]

CT contradicting himself? Surely not.

[Christmas Tree 3997]

We have a back five that would see us survive in the prem. Unfortunately the entire midfield and forwards need replacing.

 

None of them will cut it next year in the prem. (routledge maybe).

 

I dont understand this...

 

Gutierrez will do fine

Barton has ALOT of PL experience but also ALOT to prove.

Smith ALOT of PL experience.

Guthrie has a good amount of PL experience.

Raylor good amount of PL experience.

 

None of the above are fantastic footballers but should do a job in the PL.

 

Im not saying that its good enough, it does need improving but its not as bad as some make out.

 

New owner in and a cheeky 10mil bid for Rodwell and play him instead of Smith.

 

Jonas and Guthrie will do fine for our ambitions next year. R. Taylor is a Championship player, I'm not sure Barton will even play 5 more games for NUFC (and he's worthless anyway), and the less said about Smith, the better. "A lot" is two words, by the way.

 

As for CT's post, need I remind you under whose watch all of the players you rate as not good enough for the PL were brought in? For all you talk about Ashley running our club as a business, "lean and mean," you appear to be conceding that he's lumbered the club with dross. Parker, Milner, N'Zogbia et al may have been on mega wages, but at least they were Premier League quality. Now we've got no money (thanks to being relegated owing to Fat Mike's terrible decisions and the shit players brought in by the shit staff he employed) and no good - even decent - players. I know which situation I'd prefer.

 

This transfer window brought us one potential PL player in Routledge and one player who might provide passable cover in the PL (Simpson). It also brought in someone who isn't even good enough for this level, let alone the PL. There were plenty of signs of planning for the short term, as evidenced by good loan deals so far this season, but there are little to no signs of planning for regaining our status as a Premier League club.

 

 

No Thanks

 

Plenty of threads going on that so no point hijacking this one.

 

The team we've got is the one to get us out of this division. That is all that matters. I feel pretty confident that if we do go up, Ashley will ensure we are either sold very quickly or strengthened so we dont go straight back down.

 

I am also sure Hughton will have plans on the go for the summer.

[Andrew 4252]

The team we've got is the one to get us out of this division. That is all that matters. I feel pretty confident that if we do go up, Ashley will ensure we are either sold very quickly or strengthened so we dont go straight back down.

 

I am also sure Hughton will have plans on the go for the summer.

 

based on what evidence though? one not completely awful transfer window and the fact we're leading an absolutely terrible league?

[acrossthepond 707]

The team we've got is the one to get us out of this division. That is all that matters. I feel pretty confident that if we do go up, Ashley will ensure we are either sold very quickly or strengthened so we dont go straight back down.

 

I am also sure Hughton will have plans on the go for the summer.

 

based on what evidence though? one not completely awful transfer window and the fact we're leading an absolutely terrible league?

 

Based on the voices in his head on current evidence.

 

CT, you say you "feel confident." Can you describe what gives you this feeling of confidence?

 

You aren't worried at all that Hughton is obviously not going to cut it in the Premier League and so therefore his "plans on the go" will not be sufficient to make sure we don't go straight back down?

[Christmas Tree 3997]

The team we've got is the one to get us out of this division. That is all that matters. I feel pretty confident that if we do go up, Ashley will ensure we are either sold very quickly or strengthened so we dont go straight back down.

 

I am also sure Hughton will have plans on the go for the summer.

 

based on what evidence though? one not completely awful transfer window and the fact we're leading an absolutely terrible league?

 

 

Based on the fact that money is important to Ashley.

 

He is after all a very successful businessman regardless of what we think of him.

 

As with all opinions in football there are no opinions and we can only wait and see.

[Christmas Tree 3997]

The team we've got is the one to get us out of this division. That is all that matters. I feel pretty confident that if we do go up, Ashley will ensure we are either sold very quickly or strengthened so we dont go straight back down.

 

I am also sure Hughton will have plans on the go for the summer.

 

based on what evidence though? one not completely awful transfer window and the fact we're leading an absolutely terrible league?

 

Based on the voices in his head on current evidence.

 

CT, you say you "feel confident." Can you describe what gives you this feeling of confidence?

 

You aren't worried at all that Hughton is obviously not going to cut it in the Premier League and so therefore his "plans on the go" will not be sufficient to make sure we don't go straight back down?

 

See reply to Andrew. Successful entrepeneurs can be gamblers and can fuck up, but they usually learn pretty quickly. I think he has now decided to be hands on with regard to decision making and the mistakes of previous seasons wont be repeated. There is no evidence of this, only an opinion based on working with some very successful retail people.

 

With regard to Hughton, none of us know whether he will cut it or not.

 

He is very highly thought of as a coach and has done very well this season, particularly bearing all the off field distractions etc etc.

 

He has handled the press well and let the results do the talking. The circus club and usual stories have not got off the ground under him.

 

He also imo makes very good substitutions.

 

Apart from a handful of quality managers, the rest of the possibles are a big big gamble as we know only too well.... Strachan at boro, Bruce at Sunderland...Each a short time ago would have been considered a much better choice than Hughton.

 

Honestly, I am really starting to think next year could be quite promising.

[LeazesMag 0]

The team we've got is the one to get us out of this division. That is all that matters. I feel pretty confident that if we do go up, Ashley will ensure we are either sold very quickly or strengthened so we dont go straight back down.

 

I am also sure Hughton will have plans on the go for the summer.

 

based on what evidence though? one not completely awful transfer window and the fact we're leading an absolutely terrible league?

 

Based on the voices in his head on current evidence.

 

CT, you say you "feel confident." Can you describe what gives you this feeling of confidence?

 

You aren't worried at all that Hughton is obviously not going to cut it in the Premier League and so therefore his "plans on the go" will not be sufficient to make sure we don't go straight back down?

 

See reply to Andrew. Successful entrepeneurs can be gamblers and can fuck up, but they usually learn pretty quickly. I think he has now decided to be hands on with regard to decision making and the mistakes of previous seasons wont be repeated. There is no evidence of this, only an opinion based on working with some very successful retail people.

 

With regard to Hughton, none of us know whether he will cut it or not.

 

He is very highly thought of as a coach and has done very well this season, particularly bearing all the off field distractions etc etc.

 

He has handled the press well and let the results do the talking. The circus club and usual stories have not got off the ground under him.

 

He also imo makes very good substitutions.

 

Apart from a handful of quality managers, the rest of the possibles are a big big gamble as we know only too well.... Strachan at boro, Bruce at Sunderland...Each a short time ago would have been considered a much better choice than Hughton.

 

Honestly, I am really starting to think next year could be quite promising.

 

He is achieved his aim of running the club on a lower level ie spending less money, and getting results and keeping crowds up. I said ages ago this would be the limit of his ambition.

 

Unfortunately he has bought into the myth that we "always" get 40-50,000 crowds. This only happened after the halls and Shepherd saved the club from previous regimes who were trying to also run the club exactly like Ashley is now. Give it time, and the crowds will also dive down again to levels of under 20,000.

 

All of our recent signings are pointers towards his aims. Giving 3.5 year contracts to players who are not good enough for the premiership tells its own story. If he gets a few more of the high earners off the books, he could maybe run the club and make a profit by becoming a yoyo club and winning promotion every few years, in his eyes this would be success. Meanwhile, as has been pointed out, it is on the back of a huge drop in standards. This is what happened in the past, promotion is considered to be "glory", along with a cup run to the 5th or 6th round, and you are falling into that way of thinking completely. For a club like Newcastle, getting the 3rd biggest crowd in the country and potentially the 2nd biggest club in the country.

 

If you want a good premiership football team, you have to pay good premiership wages.

Edited March 1, 2010 by LeazesMag

[acrossthepond 707]

The team we've got is the one to get us out of this division. That is all that matters. I feel pretty confident that if we do go up, Ashley will ensure we are either sold very quickly or strengthened so we dont go straight back down.

 

I am also sure Hughton will have plans on the go for the summer.

 

based on what evidence though? one not completely awful transfer window and the fact we're leading an absolutely terrible league?

 

Based on the voices in his head on current evidence.

 

CT, you say you "feel confident." Can you describe what gives you this feeling of confidence?

 

You aren't worried at all that Hughton is obviously not going to cut it in the Premier League and so therefore his "plans on the go" will not be sufficient to make sure we don't go straight back down?

 

See reply to Andrew. Successful entrepeneurs can be gamblers and can fuck up, but they usually learn pretty quickly. I think he has now decided to be hands on with regard to decision making and the mistakes of previous seasons wont be repeated. There is no evidence of this, only an opinion based on working with some very successful retail people.

 

With regard to Hughton, none of us know whether he will cut it or not.

 

He is very highly thought of as a coach and has done very well this season, particularly bearing all the off field distractions etc etc.

 

He has handled the press well and let the results do the talking. The circus club and usual stories have not got off the ground under him.

 

He also imo makes very good substitutions.

 

Apart from a handful of quality managers, the rest of the possibles are a big big gamble as we know only too well.... Strachan at boro, Bruce at Sunderland...Each a short time ago would have been considered a much better choice than Hughton.

 

Honestly, I am really starting to think next year could be quite promising.

 

I don't understand how Ashley being more hands-on is supposed to help - surely we'd be better off if he just employed someone who actually knows what they're doing and stood off the day-to-day (or month-to-month) running of the club? This is the bloke who thought giving Dennis Wise authority over a football club instead of Kevin Keegan was a good idea...what benefit will we gain from him being more involved with decision-making rather than less?

 

No argument with your first sentence. He is highly thought of (as a coach) and has done well this season, although a bag of rocks would probably have got us where we are so far.

 

He has handled the press well and has let the results do the talking. The problem is that the results have so far been overwhelmingly positive - which I think will not be the case next season. My point is that he hasn't cracked under pressure because there has been none, whereas in the Premier League he looked out of his depth - isn't that why Mike and Dekka decided to bring in Shearer in the first place, to steady the ship? Who was the captain when that ship was being steadied? Well, it was Clipboard Chris and his buddy Calderwood, who weren't up to the task and neither will they be in the PL next season when we have an even weaker squad.

 

Substitutions, well, I'd say there have been some excellent ones and there have been some questionable ones. Nobody's expecting Hughton to be perfect. By their nature, however, substitutions mean that you have some quality options on the bench to make use of. I doubt that will be the case, if we continue as we are, in the PL. Certainly the likes of Pancrate and R. Taylor will not have the impact in the PL as they have had in this league.

 

Your point about quality managers, well, that's just the "devil you know" argument that got us Roeder instead of the class managers who were available at the time and got us Hughton instead of the decent managers who were available at the time. I think people like Curbishley and Dowie would've been much better choices than Chris Hughton at the start of this season and I think he could've been kept on as a coach and continued to do an excellent job. Unfortunately now that he's been promoted no doubt he won't be happy with going back into the backroom staff if we ever do appoint a proper manager, so that's another asset of the club mismanaged by Ashley.

[Phil 6]

I think there's a broken record skipping somewhere...

[OTF 6274]

I'll go on record to say that there is no way in the world that Enrique is not a top half of the Premier League quality left back. He's better than Wayne Bridge. He's a much better defender than both Baines and Bale. Given their current Spanish influence he would be very at home within Liverpool.

 

IMO we're five good players and a good manager away from midtable premier league. The difference between mid-table and top half is nothing more than a bit of belief and a good injury free run.

[LeazesMag 0]

I'll go on record to say that there is no way in the world that Enrique is not a top half of the Premier League quality left back. He's better than Wayne Bridge. He's a much better defender than both Baines and Bale. Given their current Spanish influence he would be very at home within Liverpool.

 

IMO we're five good players and a good manager away from midtable premier league. The difference between mid-table and top half is nothing more than a bit of belief and a good injury free run.

 

I agree about Enrique, I always thought he would be a good player. He is one of the best full backs playing in this country.

 

However, your estimation of 5 players is a bit short, and even 5 players would cost a fortune. So it isn't going to happen.

[OTF 6274]

I'll go on record to say that there is no way in the world that Enrique is not a top half of the Premier League quality left back. He's better than Wayne Bridge. He's a much better defender than both Baines and Bale. Given their current Spanish influence he would be very at home within Liverpool.

 

IMO we're five good players and a good manager away from midtable premier league. The difference between mid-table and top half is nothing more than a bit of belief and a good injury free run.

 

I agree about Enrique, I always thought he would be a good player. He is one of the best full backs playing in this country.

 

However, your estimation of 5 players is a bit short, and even 5 players would cost a fortune. So it isn't going to happen.

 

I agree that it won't happen, but I do think that that is all that is required (assuming a good run with injuries).

 

I think there's a chance that we will see 5 players come in but they won't be of the standard that is required. I really wish that Best was not bought, thus far he seems to only just be championship standard and will be well out of his depth in the Premier League (would LOVE for him to prove me wrong). As a result I see any money spent on him as coming off whatever amount will be spent over summer which is certainly not a good thing.

[Sima 0]

Is Enrique the Habib Beye of a 2 years ago?

 

Where is Beye now? Oh yeah, rotting in Villa's reserves.

[OTF 6274]

Is Enrique the Habib Beye of a 2 years ago?

 

Where is Beye now? Oh yeah, rotting in Villa's reserves.

 

Not even close.

 

Habib Beye was past his best when he came to Newcastle. He was an excellent player for us because he read the game well and when he committed to a tackle he just about always pulled it off. At Villa there's very little reason to invest in Beye. He has a few years left at best. He's there simply to be cover in the event of injuries. Mind you in our side he'd waltz straight back into the right back position.

 

Enrique has been on the improve ever since coming to us, but always had the foundations to be an exceptional player. He's quick, he's strong, and he has a powerful left foot. His reading of the game has improved immensely, as has his ability to combine with the midfield on attacking raids down the field.

[Kitman 2188]

However, your estimation of 5 players is a bit short, and even 5 players would cost a fortune. So it isn't going to happen.

 

Sad but true I reckon

[Guest alex]

As with all opinions in football there are no opinions

See what I mean?

[donaldstott 0]

I'll go on record to say that there is no way in the world that Enrique is not a top half of the Premier League quality left back. He's better than Wayne Bridge. He's a much better defender than both Baines and Bale. Given their current Spanish influence he would be very at home within Liverpool.

 

IMO we're five good players and a good manager away from midtable premier league. The difference between mid-table and top half is nothing more than a bit of belief and a good injury free run.

 

I agree about Enrique, I always thought he would be a good player. He is one of the best full backs playing in this country.

 

 

I'm not sure personally, you would have to say that he was exposed in the PL repeatedly, but has improved markedly this season. It could be settling in, it could be age/experience, but if you ask me it's simply the lower standard of football.

[Sima 0]

Is Enrique the Habib Beye of a 2 years ago?

 

Where is Beye now? Oh yeah, rotting in Villa's reserves.

 

Not even close.

 

Habib Beye was past his best when he came to Newcastle. He was an excellent player for us because he read the game well and when he committed to a tackle he just about always pulled it off. At Villa there's very little reason to invest in Beye. He has a few years left at best. He's there simply to be cover in the event of injuries. Mind you in our side he'd waltz straight back into the right back position.

 

Enrique has been on the improve ever since coming to us, but always had the foundations to be an exceptional player. He's quick, he's strong, and he has a powerful left foot. His reading of the game has improved immensely, as has his ability to combine with the midfield on attacking raids down the field.

 

Habib Beye was a dimly shining light in a heap of absolute shit. This is now shown by the fact he is behind Nigel Reo-Coker in the Villa pecking order

 

Enrique is massively overrated by some tbh especially with people suggesting he is better than the likes of Bridge and Baines. He will be exposed for what he is should we return. Same with Coloccini

 

Shades of "Harper for England"

Edited March 2, 2010 by Sima

[ewerk 26680]

Is Enrique the Habib Beye of a 2 years ago?

 

Where is Beye now? Oh yeah, rotting in Villa's reserves.

 

Not even close.

 

Habib Beye was past his best when he came to Newcastle. He was an excellent player for us because he read the game well and when he committed to a tackle he just about always pulled it off. At Villa there's very little reason to invest in Beye. He has a few years left at best. He's there simply to be cover in the event of injuries. Mind you in our side he'd waltz straight back into the right back position.

 

Enrique has been on the improve ever since coming to us, but always had the foundations to be an exceptional player. He's quick, he's strong, and he has a powerful left foot. His reading of the game has improved immensely, as has his ability to combine with the midfield on attacking raids down the field.

 

Habib Beye was a dimly shining light in a heap of absolute shit. This is now shown by the fact he is behind Nigel Reo-Coker in the Villa pecking order

 

Enrique is massively overrated by some tbh especially with people suggesting he is better than the likes of Bridge and Baines. He will be exposed for what he is should we return. Same with Coloccini

 

Shades of "Harper for England"

 

All of which is quite fortunate for you really, otherwise you'd have fuck all to moan about.

[Guest alex]

Somewhere in the middle I reckon. I don't remember him being exposed much in the Premier League but I get the feeling even a division lower he's masking his batteries a bit, since he has a lot of ability on the ball but plays within himself most of the time and is still a bit unwilling to go forward. I think he'd do well in a decent PL team, without really scaling the heights. Now, excuse me while I take the spelks out of my arse.