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Not sure what Eric Cantona (far right) is doing in this band tho?

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For all those saying Pardew would be a good candidate for the England job please check out this blog about that very subject http://thenortheasthub.com/blog/much-a-pardew-about-nothing/

I dont deny that, however the point still remains that any team winning things, or doing well over a prolongued period of time could only do so under a good manager. You can't write off SBR's record as being nothing of note just because "any team with a good manager could do well", the fact still remains that to sustain it over such a long period of time confirms that SBR did a great job at Ipswich. If he hadn't been a good manager then they wouldn't have won anything or had such consitant high placed finishes. It's a nonsensical argument to say other wise.

You're talking shit mate! You go on about Pardew's impact at Charlton, a sinking ship full of overpaid underachieving remnants of the Iain Dowie era? They were 19th, no one else would've saved them. So what impact did he have? Not a negative one, he just couldn't save them. I brought Everton in to it to emphasise my point, Everton aren't really a small club (even though they get 28,000 in derby games against Man City), but they can't compete now because of the way football has gone, whereas the likes of Oxford, Ipswich, Luton, Derby, Leeds etc... could all win trophies in that era with proper management, they can't now. My initial point was against your point diminishing "a club like Ipswich", it made fuck all difference the size of a club then. Again you are referring to points about Charlton where you have taken one small part and ignored or not bothered to read the rest. If you go back through this thread you will find a bit where I referred to him taking over and failing to keep them up, how I said in all fairness it was a big ask, then went on to assess his performance in the following 2 seasons. Like I said debating with you is pointless as you don't read what's written before going on a rant. Man City isn't a derby game, Everton's attendance v Man City is irrelevant to the argument and again just proves why it's completely pointless trying to debate with you when you can't stick to the points at hand. Like I said before I won't continue with this debate any longer as you have failed to read what I'm writing and keep throwing pointless digs in to the debate that have no relevance. Thanks again for your participation.

You said anyone could win anything, then said your team didn't and you were unhappy about it. If "any team could win stuff" then your team would have... so on one hand you're saying SBR didn't do that that great a job as it was easy to win things, yet on the other hand saying how badly your team was run and how unhappy you are that your team didn't win anything. It doesn't even make sense! Either i) everyone could win anything, so your team did... or ii)it was still about good management and teams with good managers won things. I've already stated Pardew took West Ham on their worst run in 70 years after the cup final, and that they neevr recovered and went down... he also had a similar impact at Charlton... If you can't even be bothered to read what I'm writing then there's really not much point in continuing this debate! He also had a similar impact at Charlton??! They were 19th when he took the job. Despite his bad run at West Ham they weren't in the bottom three when he was sacked, and the supporters didn't wnat it indicating he was not a failure. First cup final in 26 years in his second season and he's a failure?!?! You miss my point, any club of any size could win anything in those days if managed right. You could have JC himself managing Everton and you couldn't come in the top 3 or 4 these days. That is my point. Football has changed to the extent smaller clubs have absolutely no hope of being a major force again. Seriously I'm not going to continue this with you, you are talking about him taking over at Charlton them being 19th at the time and putting ??! after it... which clearly shows you haven't read what I wrote regarding this earlier in the debate. I don't see the point in debating with someone who is arguing points I've made without actually reading the points properly. You just also said "any club managed right could win things" ergo stating you believe SBR managed Ipswich well and therefore was successful in his remit as manager... whilst also then backing up the point that unless you were a good manager you wouldn't win anything. Again not much point in debating something when all your doing is backing up the points I made that you are arguing against. You then bring Everton in to it for no apparent reason other than to have a clear dig... for what purpose? I don't know but again just proves you have nothing to bring to the table in this debate. Thanks for participating.

You said anyone could win anything, then said your team didn't and you were unhappy about it. If "any team could win stuff" then your team would have... so on one hand you're saying SBR didn't do that that great a job as it was easy to win things, yet on the other hand saying how badly your team was run and how unhappy you are that your team didn't win anything. It doesn't even make sense! Either i) everyone could win anything, so your team did... or ii)it was still about good management and teams with good managers won things. I've already stated Pardew took West Ham on their worst run in 70 years after the cup final, and that they neevr recovered and went down... he also had a similar impact at Charlton... If you can't even be bothered to read what I'm writing then there's really not much point in continuing this debate!

You say a club like Ipswich in those days anyone could win trophies size didn't matter, revenues weren't too different. I watched a program on the forming of the Premiership a while ago, and the TV deals from 1970 to 1988 were ridiculous. Say BBC and ITV would chip in £1m for live games, all of that money would be spread evenly between the 92 clubs. No one was significantly wealthier than the rest other than teams who had good European runs, hence Forest's ability to spend £1m on Trevor Francis. So a club "like Ipswich" were no different from a club like Everton. The gauling thing as a Newcastle fan is up to 1971 we were the most successful club in the history of English football, we had a history of being the best supported, and complete neglect of the club and mismanagement meant we weren't able to sustain our level as the biggest club in the country and by the 80's had fallen far behind Man Utd and Liverpool. All these honours in the 60's and 70's well done to the clubs who won them, but the difference between smallest club and biggest club was smaller, and anyone could win anything. That's getting off the point like but Pardew has enough experience for the England job in my view. What experience did van Basten have with Holland, or Klinsmann with Germany, both did great jobs. You can't say "any team could win stuff" in those times, and then berate the fact your own team didn't... your taking such a narrow and contradictory view on the points you're making, but anyway like you said it's not really all that relevant. A good manager would win trophies... it's not as simple as just "anyone could win things" as it still took a good manager to enable a team to be successful. Van Basten & Klinsmann were great players but had no real experience, they were both a calculated gamble. Pardew has a history of failure, so the gamble becomes a lot greater due to his track record. Over time he will be able to address this if he is a continued success at the Toon... as it stands just now he has a history of doing well at first and then capitulating - not the kind of person you want managing the national team! However if he proves he's learnt and improved over a longer period of time then his credentials improve. An England manager should be appointed on merit, not just on the job he's done over the last 12 months or so.

yeah fair do's... I'll try and come up with something fresher next time, but the aim is to give quite a general overall subject that is relevant to everyone in the NE to read, whilst fitting it all in to 500 or less words... not easy 500 words is quite a constraint. Anyway, if your blog is aimed at NE football fans then you're already at a disadvantage given that as an OOT you won't have the same level of knowledge on local clubs as others brought up in the NE. Well in all fairness I've lived in the NE since I was 9 (so 22 years) so I have a decent grasp on general NE footballing matters. The rest I will steal from forums like this

I agree with what you're saying here... it's ridiculous how hard it is for any English or British manager to get a top job in our league! Unfortunately the articles have to be about North East football so it's hard to write a full article about this subject (although it would be a really good one if I was allowed)

yeah fair do's... I'll try and come up with something fresher next time, but the aim is to give quite a general overall subject that is relevant to everyone in the NE to read, whilst fitting it all in to 500 or less words... not easy

No one is saying he didn't do great things, but I'd hardly say it was prolonged success like a Wenger or a Paisley, similarly Venables, one FA Cup and a La Liga in 18 years. If Pardew gets us top 4 or 5 a few seasons running, in the context of things he's one of the most successful managers in the modern game with what he's had to work with, and the disparity in quality and financial backing of the opposition. Exactly the point I made re if in 4 years time... Also said that due to his record since taking over the Toon he's a right to be judged as much of a success as Harry Redknapp.

Thanks for the feedback You're right that i'm saying Pardew hasn't had the experience to be England manager - He's had a very patchy career as he did great at Reading, took over at West Ham and took them to the FA Cup Final, the next season though he took them on there worst run in 70 years and got sacked (west ham didn't recover from this start and were relegated)... he moved to Charlton and failed to prevent them being relegated (it would have been a big ask in all fairness), the next season they were expected to bounce straight back... they finished 11th, the next season he took them in to the bottom 3 and was sacked (they never recovered and got relegated)... he took over at Southampton and did a decent enough job but was again sacked. So no he's not had the experience of success and consistency to be considered for the job IMO. The Toon was a job that on merit he didn't deserve, however he has done a great job... although he's not been in it long enough to have been judged a "success" yet, although he's very much on the right path. Should he continue to do well then in a few years I'd say it'd be fair for him to be considered for the England job, but a short spell in charge of the Toon isn't long enough to warrant consideration - especially when his record pre-toon is patchy at best. I dont agree that just having managed the Toon prepares you for the England job, being a success over a prolongued period of time does, but just having managed them and done well for a short time certainly doesn't. Keegan managed the Toon but clearly wasn't a good England manager... Bobby Robson albeit manager after his England days had earned the England managers job due to his experience of being successful at different clubs over a prolongued period of time... both things Pardew hasn't done. I think I paid enough respect to Pardew and the job he's doing in the article, and also feel he should be given time to prove his worth at the Toon. As always though that's just an opinion and I accept not everyone will agree and I appreciate your thoughts and offering some debate on the subject The best England manager of the last 40 years was SBR, what prolonged success did he have? A FA Cup and a UEFA Cup to show for 13 years in management, Venables and Hoddle were good and they had fuck all success really. Ipswich finished lower than sixth place in the First Division only once, in the 1977–78 season. However, that season was a success with a 1–0 victory over Arsenal in the FA Cup Final.[51] His reign at Ipswich lasted 13 years, during which time the club twice finished as League runners-up, and made regular appearances in European competitions, capturing the UEFA Cup in 1981 with a 5–4 aggregate victory over Dutch side AZ 67 Alkmaar Not a bad record for someone managing a club like Ipswich. Again it's about being successful over a prolongued period of time... you may argue that SBR's record isn't that amazing compared to someone like Alex Ferguson for example, but due to the club he was managing I'd argue that his record was pretty damn good! Obviously people at the FA agreed and SBR went on to show that he was indeed a great manager during the rest of his career. Venables and Hoddle both did well - Gazza being about 2 inches longer would have resulted in us probably winning Euro 96 and Hoddle's reign may well have been different but for Beckham kicking out and his terrible beliefs about disability

Haha sure is Thanks again for supplying it

Thanks for the feedback You're right that i'm saying Pardew hasn't had the experience to be England manager - He's had a very patchy career as he did great at Reading, took over at West Ham and took them to the FA Cup Final, the next season though he took them on there worst run in 70 years and got sacked (west ham didn't recover from this start and were relegated)... he moved to Charlton and failed to prevent them being relegated (it would have been a big ask in all fairness), the next season they were expected to bounce straight back... they finished 11th, the next season he took them in to the bottom 3 and was sacked (they never recovered and got relegated)... he took over at Southampton and did a decent enough job but was again sacked. So no he's not had the experience of success and consistency to be considered for the job IMO. The Toon was a job that on merit he didn't deserve, however he has done a great job... although he's not been in it long enough to have been judged a "success" yet, although he's very much on the right path. Should he continue to do well then in a few years I'd say it'd be fair for him to be considered for the England job, but a short spell in charge of the Toon isn't long enough to warrant consideration - especially when his record pre-toon is patchy at best. I dont agree that just having managed the Toon prepares you for the England job, being a success over a prolongued period of time does, but just having managed them and done well for a short time certainly doesn't. Keegan managed the Toon but clearly wasn't a good England manager... Bobby Robson albeit manager after his England days had earned the England managers job due to his experience of being successful at different clubs over a prolongued period of time... both things Pardew hasn't done. I think I paid enough respect to Pardew and the job he's doing in the article, and also feel he should be given time to prove his worth at the Toon. As always though that's just an opinion and I accept not everyone will agree and I appreciate your thoughts and offering some debate on the subject

As some of you may know I was asked to write about north east football for a local blog. My first article about the Toon has just gone live, so please feel free to check it out and I welcome feedback and debate on the subject http://thenortheasthub.com/blog/ The article is called "much a pardew about nothing" I ask in advance that you forgive me for such a naff headline

Nice pic mate, got a few already now but I'll keep this one in mind for future articles if that's ok?

Yes please, the more the merrier as might be able to use it in a future article if not this one

I'll PM you my e-mail address Oops! Forgot to mention the small matter of cost… … I'm not a greedy man. A nudey pic of your lass will do , A4, and laminated preferably. I've only got one of her doing lesbian things with her sister... I don't suppose that's any use is it?

I'll PM you my e-mail address

Cheers mate, that's the kind of generic image that will work well I'd imagine for a few articles. When you send it can you please just put a line saying you took the pic and are happy for me to use it?

Aye I know it's a long shot (erm yeah literally lol) but thought I'd ask just in case... actually got a one of Mowbray from a Boro supporter for my last one so you never know what people have knocking about. Like I said earlier though if anyone has a generic pic like the badge, crest, stadium etc then that might be fine too.

As a photographer myself I feel somewhat uneasy from an ethical point of view doing things that way. If anyone did that to me I'd be well narked! Plus the way I'm doing it gives amateur photographers a chance to get their pics seen by hundreds of people and their name will be on there so they get credit and coverage.

Would need there permission first I think, dont think you can just take someones work and then give them credit without them agreeing first. If your righting a blog Id knock that shit on the head first. Haha don't worry my wife proof reads everything before I submit it!