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https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-kingdom/2016-06-21/please-leave tl;dr we should vote Remain if only to piss off the rest of Europe.

https://medium.com/im-trying-to-fact-check-brexit/fact-checking-brexit-the-conclusion-c1f56ba4cb70#.k8xyi0rh8

"We're not going to go there just because you produce Cadbury chocolates and Maltesers, for god's sake." I like him. But seriously, from what I've seen anyone who isn't pro-Erdogan will tell you that their current regime is moving them further and further away from compliance, and it's kind of embarrassing to a lot of regular Turks how the people in charge seem to be struggling with the basics of diplomacy while doing so, never mind EU-compatible stuff like a free media and all. Apparently they're not great at realising that "treading on people's toes" and "getting your own way" tend to be mutually exclusive (unless your name is Putin).

Plus Turkey have distanced themselves politically from "the west" in recent years, what with Erdogan's authoritarianism and various spats with Germany/Merkel and all. I'd say the prospect of Turkish membership was much more likely five or ten years ago than now. Try telling that to the people who've bought into the xenophobic rubbish that Leave's been shoving through their letterboxes though.

You see, that's grand. I think we should get over ourselves and work on making that relationship less uneasy, that we should be trying to go more in the same direction, and that - given the geopolitical situation and the fact things aren't going to get any more stable in the wider world - now is precisely the time to be banding together. You disagree, partly because you think our differences are fundamentally too great to overcome within the format of something like the EU and we shouldn't be trying to force something that isn't going to happen. We'll vote accordingly tomorrow, and whatever happens will happen. I just wish more of the actual campaign (from both sides) had been about basic principles and not the stuff it's been focusing on instead. It's been an utterly wasted opportunity to actually have a discourse about it all.

"EIGHTY MILLION TURKS WILL MOVE TO THE UK IN 2017!!!!!" "Not true, and if we leave, our GDP will suff-" "PROJECT FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!"

Sounds strangely familiar.

#ProjectFear

God you're a horrible human being.

And yet apparently Remain are the ones indulging in Project Fear. https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/745531956125827074/photo/1

Ben Goldacre pretty much summed up the "reasonable and decent" case for remaining last night, so I might just point people at this the next time I get my ear bent about it all: Link: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cliex0NUsAALQru.jpg

I like my TV too much to want to chuck a brick through it. Enjoying this though:

Democracy is overrated.

Firstly, And secondly, I don't even believe him on this.

That's cool, I didn't like the baby or the bathwater much.

As easy as a smooth, recession-free Brexit.

Warsi defects from the Leave campaign because apparently now she has a problem with the bare-faced lies and xenophobia it's been peddling for months. Net impact on Thursday's outcome: approx. 0.0000%

Lolnaldo