Rayvin

Wait so the fans group served the papers, not the club?

I mean in terms of the tactics, positional sense, making runs and utilising space

If deaths are down then the only explanation for the difference between the two waves (assuming it hasn't mutated) is the state of readiness of the NHS. They're better equipped to deal with it now that the government's incompetence has been worked through? Which basically means that the real factor behind the deaths of 40,000 people was chronic underfunding of the NHS by successive Tory governments, and stunning incompetence from the sitting one. Lovely.

RL is a better football sim than FIFA IMO. Takes about 100 hours to master the basics though...

I thought you knew it was a Chinese government conspiracy? That's some climb down mate...

It's done now either way though. May as well just see where it takes us. Quite looking forward to the independent Scotland moment tbf. 58% of Scots now want out according to a poll yesterday. At some point it will hit a number that will be hard for Westminster to ignore. I personally think we're about 2% off that.

I don't I guess, maybe you're right.

Here's hoping!

I wonder, probably more with desperate hope than anything else, if the EU have privately acknowledged that they would be willing to compromise on something small, and that Johnson has asked them to tee him up for a bit of grandstanding in order to sell it on the home front. Barnier travels to London tomorrow, agrees something minor, Boris gets to claim that the EU came grovelling back to the door and he had them over a barrel as the great mastermind he is, no one cares about the details, the EU go home happy to have gotten everything they wanted minus one very small thing, and the UK believes the whole thing was an example of British strength. That's the only play I can imagine.

Cameron starting all of this in the first place was one of the greatest acts of incompetence that I've ever witnessed, politically speaking. Including everything Chris Grayling has ever done. Boris has only been PM for about 18 months, he hadn't racked up a fiasco quite on that level (IMO) in that time - even with COVID which, again, is at least partially at Cameron's door for underfunding the NHS for a decade anyway. He now has. I cannot imagine ever again in British history will an elected official do as much damage to the country as Johnson has now managed, even allowing for Cameron having ultimately started it.

Is Boris Johnson now, finally, surpassing Cameron as the shittest Prime Minister in history? He's an irresponsible trainwreck of a human being before we ever get close to his abilities as a minister.

Incredible. Predictable, inevitable, but still incredible. Johnson is a cunt.

Far better off with KCG answering that one, I'm a recent convert. If I had to say, I'd imagine that a hard border would be worth the price to many Scots. I'd be ok with it personally.

Did he actually say that?

I agree with everything he's saying here and think it's smart that he is writing it in the Telegraph

I think I'm just done with democracy as you said further up and as I have said myself repeatedly. Gonna join KCG with the SNP vote though, an independent Scotland can't come soon enough.

Resigned membership as well but didn't want to mention it earlier because you'll doubtless be on at me again for flip flopping and tbf I did say I was going to quit after voting Starmer but i never got around to it. This is now twice I've resigned from the party due to their EU stance though. Once under Corbyn and now under Starmer. Fairly consistent on this point

Don't really disagree with any of that, but in the end this is a deeply held issue for me and one that I can't find it in myself to budge from. I mean it does affect me quite directly which is perhaps partially why. Either way though, I can't follow the party into this particular direction. And from the party's point of view, they have weighed my loss against the gains of the redwallers. They want them, not me. There's not all that much more to it.

I'm struggling to see it in the initial post, especially since the two statements it's couched between are both quite possibly accurate. Yes Starmer may set the foundations for a return, and yes I have given up on democracy. It's worth noting though that Starmer appears to me to be pragmatic above everything else. He isn't going to push us back towards the EU on principle, only if there are votes in it. Therefore it makes sense for me to hold my vote ransom if i ever want to see this happen. Not that I actually matter at all, but you get the idea. I stuck with him through a number of abstentions that made my stomach turn based on taking a pragmatic view myself, but if they stop being a pro-EU party then that really is the end of it for me.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but i don't give a fuck who you blame - the idea that you think I can be shamed into voting labour based on this feeble logic is kind of hilarious. Blame me if it helps you sleep at night though.

I would tbf.

So you think that Labour will win power and then take us back into the EU?

It genuinely is - having been in a pretty difficult place for the past couple of years, I can say that being up here has helped me immeasurably. I'll be reluctant to go back, if the time ever comes.

Yeah I did it with Miliband, I remember what you're "meant" to do. But to some extent the party still has to represent you.

So my voting position becomes 100% "I hate the Tories". Because atm at least, Labour don't appear to stand for anything whatsoever. Again, pragmatism I'm sure, but apart from deciding they support Brexit, they've abstained on pretty much everything else. I get it, they're working out how to position themselves - but it's clear that this position is going to be over to the red wall voters. And great, I hope that works out for them, but my vote is not guaranteed, I've compromised more than I ever wanted to and at some point it has to stop. I mean it makes no difference anyway, I'm "radically left wing" so I'm not representative, Labour are ahead of the Tories in the polls by being a vague, bland colour of politics, and if they're going to "win" they'll do so with or without me. But we have now reached a point where me voting for them is actively voting against my own interests and making my life more difficult, so I think that's the point where I give Starmer the finger and we part ways.