Rayvin

How can you expect people to be any different with the amount of misinformation and lying going on man. Maybe we're the crazy ones for being so invested in it. Until the media does it's job properly, which it never will under the Tories, I don't see how this changes.

Nice, our (collectively, across the country) pressure on the BBC to do it's fucking job is actually yielding some results. Let's see if it works.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/04/bbc-impartiality-precious-protect-election-coverage BBC trying to defend itself. I don’t necessarily subscribe to the view that if we get complaints from both sides, we are doing something right – though we do receive roughly equal volumes of audience feedback suggesting we favour opposite sides of the political spectrum. And to those who have suggested we are somehow cowed or unconfident, let me assure you – we are not. Will believe that last statement when we see it. EDIT - also, what the fuck is the one before it. "I don't necessarily believe this but y'know, if you wanted to justify our bullshit and had no critical thinking skills, you could do so like this..." Fuck off.

Same view - it's actually very noticeable, how much worse it has become.

Not sure. 8 years is a long time even for a time delay. It would explain the 2008-2010 thing maybe, but the 8 years under New Labour, no way. The suddenness with which it turns down as well, strongly suggests that either a new definition was introduced as Renton says, or that they introduced a policy that quickly and effectively started resolving the issue. If it was a slow burner kind, I don't think it would start dropping so suddenly. I reckon no one in Labour was paying any attention to it until around 2005 when they realised it was soaring, maybe following some new research, and then they tried to knock it on the head. If it's a time delay issue spanning nearly a decade, the Tories could simply turn around and say that the effects of the financial crisis are still being felt and that's what is pushing the numbers up now.

I think maybe the assumption is that there's a time delay in effects - people eat through their savings, maybe sporadic surveying of the issue? Clearly the Tories came in and swept out whatever was protecting people, although notably they've gone slow and steady (wisely, for their ends). Still doesn't explain what was going on in early New Labour. Non-priority issue maybe? But then it's a bit rich for us to use that now as a stick to beat the Tories with.

I'm actually struggling with this graph, the more I look at it. Are we saying here that in the first eight years of Labour under Blair, children in temporary accommodation actually rose to levels higher than now exist under the Tories? Obviously I can see the sudden push downwards but the start of the graph is actually fairly worrying in its own right.

Yes, on balance weighing up 130,000 deaths against any manner of racist verbalisation should be a no brainer in terms of voting, notwithstanding the fact that this is a depressing thing even to write. Having said that, it's hugely dismal reading. I mean there is evidence that Israel actively runs campaigns in this country against relatively anti-Israel MPs, so the stuff that comes from a position of Israel manipulating things behind the scenes is an understandable if tin foil hat response IMO. What isn't understandable or in any way defensible is the active persecution of members of the party simply for reasons such as this. And that dinner conversation about 'subhumans', I mean what in the actual shit is that about. That's hard right kind of talk, it should have no place within Labour whatsoever, even accounting for the political horseshoe of the right and left. Labour simply shouldn't be that extreme. With some 500,000 members, you'd expect certain cases like this to come up, and I guess the claims of entryism around the time Corbyn was elected are at least partially responsible for this. I have no doubt on Corbyn's part that he takes a very dim view of Israel, as any right thinking person should, but if he's in any way involved in actual abuse (which I find hard to believe but I guess you never know) then it's just abhorrent.

Swinson has apologised for austerity. I don't understand how the LDs have ended up so out of touch with what has been going on the past few years. They've misunderstood their poll surge, Brexit, Labour's collapse, pretty much everything.

I'm not running for fucking office.

Why has Corbyn decided to apologise now ffs. The damage is already done, apologising now just makes him look weak. I mean maybe that'll be the end of it and the media, who have had absolutely nothing to say about the whole issue other than 'will you apologise' will now leave it alone - but somehow I doubt it!

And people make fun of me when I talk about the MSM There is going to be no trust in them if they deliver a Tory government. I know trust is low anyway, but even so.

I guess I will, feel pretty certain my vote isn't needed where I am. Need to wait until they're set up with facebook though. Will seek to trade with an LD I guess.

Faith in humanity restored a bit?

Maybe that's true, but do we not desperately need someone to just stand up and tell the fucking truth...

Which, in fairness, puts them about on par with the vast majority of other outlets.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/ipso-upholds-labour-activist-s-accuracy-complaint-against-jc-1.493698 The Jewish Chronicle forced to retract and apologise for 4 articles for lying about Corbyn, Labour and anti-semitism. I now consider this outlet to be trash and irrelevant in political discussions.

Why are people so afraid of confronting the consequences for their actions If you fuck up an entire region that is woefully underequipped to resist you conventionally, they're going to strike back however they can. I still think calling for scaling back interventionism is not a deal breaker for the Brexit crowd.

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There's actually some potential overlap with the Trump-esque right on this. As I've said before, this is more about globalisation vs anti-globalisation more than it's about left vs right - non-interventionism is anti-globalist, and on that note might resonate with the sort of people voting Brexit.

Wasn't an option. I did enjoy myself with the bit at the end where they give you a clean slate to write your feelings on the Conservatives, their campaign, and their policies

I suspect it reflects nothing more than those who are going to vote Tory hammering Labour and vice versa. The number of right wingers I've seen trying to gain traction with this notion of "but Labour is full of antisemitism" over the past few weeks is laughable. I don't even think they really understand what it means, it's just an attack word.

I signed up to them online and they sent me an email saying I'd been selected for a poll - at which point I went to the website and just ran through it.

Hmm I see. In other news, I just got polled for Yougov on which way I would vote - first time I've ever been asked anything. Expect my response to cause a huge surge in Labour's polling over the next few days