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How was that a deflection? I answered what you said directly with about as much detail as I felt it warranted - 'he doesn't look it'. If you want to go on to explain to me how the American public are ok with Trump being a borderline dementia patient but yet would be up in arms about Sanders having a heart attack then go for it, but personally I don't think it's a hugely relevant argument. They are going to lose no matter who gets it because the left and the centre will destroy each other in the same way they did under Corbyn. As such, I'm just going to enjoy watching the fireworks.

Ignore her. People like her think that drug addicts were once happy and fulfilled people who just woke up one day and decided to start a heroine addiction. And moreover, apparently she thinks they should just starve to death. We'd be better off entirely if people like her starved instead.

Well, he didn't look it. And let's be fair, Bloomberg is a Republican masquerading as a Democrat. He actually was a Republican during the Bush era. He's also apparently homophobic, sexist, racist and all the other usual things, so quite how many of the young and woke are going to vote for him even if he does get the nomination is really not as clear to me as it is to others. All he has is money.

So this isn't going so well for Bloomberg he was destroyed in the Nevada debates. The only thing he has going for him is money. And yeah maybe that's enough but he's so devoid of substance that I really hope it's not. Sanders does not look 78. Or ill.

If any of those can be gained by acts of disruption against the government then tbh, that's a win-win.

In all seriousness I probably have to give that some actual consideration. And I guess maybe conclude that it just won't work out. I'm not sure yet anyway. I'll complain profusely if i have to, dont worry.

I'm in a couple of Labour Member supporter groups on facebook, a few thousand people in each. Not totally representative of course but honestly, no one is talking about Nandy. It's all the Corbyn cultists calling for RLB and Burgon, or the moderates demanding and defending Starmer. She's going to have to really do something to capture people's imagination to break through this.

I kind of admire that you haven't given up on everything just being one long waterfall of shite for the rest of our lives, but does any of this matter anymore? They won, they won completely, and there's nothing that gives any real indication that anything will change in terms of the demographics of stupidity. We won't win either way. In the long haul, the Tory strategy is probably right - fear is stronger than hope.

More of that and she might win my vote.

I'm with Renton on this. I don't think we can rely on people who have been avoiding rational thought for the past few years, to suddenly embrace it. It'll be like a frog boiling alive, they won't see the damage because it'll go slowly enough. More importantly, they will resist admitting they were wrong until their dying breaths.

Just thinking this over, I'm going to have to marry my current girlfriend if i want that relationship to go anywhere. I oppose marriage as an institution, but I guess my principles have to take a back seat. Or I move myself to Ireland and try to make a life work there..? This is such a mess.

Well that's great. How long is it going to take us to unpick the damage from this ffs. How many years is my vote going to be wasted as it goes towards any party that seeks to restore FOM? The Tories really are trying to deliver for their voters though. They've recognised the xenophobia angle and have gone in on it hard.

Holy hell that was painful. But I think we can all agree that johnsonnstands resolutely behind everything that advisor stood for. Why else would he send out a peon with the specific instruction to neither confirm or deny?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/17/trumps-chief-of-staff-to-meet-cummings-for-huawei-5g-talks Cummings will be negotiating for our country over the Huawei problem with respect of the US.

I mean, that's not exactly ok - the guy going up to him and complaining at him. It's not like they've gone out of their way to lose that game. Not surprised he's reacted badly tbh.

As an aside, I'm sick to death of following a club that I half want to be relegated for its own good.

Still think going down and staying down might be our only way out from under Ashley in the end. As a result I've had mixed feelings about Bruce's results this season. Can't deny it's enjoyable to win, but at the same time if we don't go down we're just putting off Ashley leaving for another season (assuming I'm right, which I may very well not be).

I think we'll hold them fairly well and lose only 1 or 2-0. If we get anything at all, it'll be a 0-0.

If that's the case, surely Sanders can best him then? I'm not trying to challenge here per se, what you're saying sounds encouraging and we really do need Trump gone no matter what.

Yeah I think he's undefeatable indeed. Reality doesn't matter anymore, only that your side wins. And that poll a few days ago demonstrates that Americans are better off now than they ever have been or whatever it was. The democrats will ruin it for themselves because Bernie will take off, the centrists will panic and try to destroy him thus pissing off all the left wingers who would vote for him to the point where they just chuck it in and don't bother - so your centrist has to beat trump with the centrist vote alone as the left concludes they're two sides of the same coin and that it has to win the war in the democrat party before it takes on the war for the nation. Trump wins by being more right wing than the centrist, who desperately has to backpedal to try and win those disillusioned left wingers over, probably by talking about how horrifying trump is. It won't matter though because they'll have had to demonstrate unremitting cuntery to take out Sanders, the left wont budge, and ultimately it'll all end in tears.

That got an actual belly laugh from me, thanks for that

Might just take them some time. There are a considerable number of members. Also possible that they've assumed that since you're in NI, you'll go for Keir no matter what due to his FOM stance.

Me too - replied and was then asked if I wanted to man phone lines. Yeah, not that committed to this thanks.

It'll be interesting to see how the centrists try to destroy him over the next few months. I do kinda feel like they will have watched how our lot did it to Corbyn and then roll out the same kinds of approaches. I still believe it doesn't matter whatever happens. In fact they may as well let him have this one. No one they've got is going to unseat Trump.