Rayvin

Absolutely he is, I'm just saying he seems to support the view that you, I, and most people on here have about immigration when it comes to the EU - i.e. that limiting immigration, while it might be what people think they want, isn't actually the solution. I think it's commendable for him to say that. But yes, it's a hard sell.

So hang on, Naz Shah said that Hitler was right to do what... I'm assuming not the holocaust? I recall something about this, but I was under the impression that it was some reference to Zionism...?

Did Naz Shah or Livingston state that what Hitler did was legal?!

Aye that's true - I'd not come across the term PLP before all this nonsense broke out. They need to unify, that's pretty much all there is to it. We can stop talking about the PLP if they just get back together, hammer out their differences, and remember that the main thing, really, is to attack the Tories and not each other.

When is Elliot back exactly? I do think we'll look a lot more solid when he returns.

Ok Fish wins. Fucking brilliant video. I love how often opposing players end up clattering into each other, falling over, etc Unplayable on his day.

He's out of contract at the end of the year isn't he? I think his time there is coming to an end tbh...

Also: Momentum is not Militant, and they can run a lively, successful conference. One of the highlights of Liverpool has been Momentum’s The World Transformed alternative conference (or festival, as they prefer to call it) taking place about half a mile away. Anyone turning up expecting a Militant re-enactment will have been disappointed. Outside there were older, hard-core lefties selling “deselect your MP” literature. But as journalists like Andrew Grice(here) and Paul Mason (here) report, inside it was full of young, earnest, welcoming activists seemingly with no interest in becoming the next Derek Hatton. In the long run it is till not clear what impact Momentum will have on Labour, but this week its reputation has gone up.

Just reading through the talking points from Labour conference, this one seems quite interesting: Labour is split over how to interpret the Brexit vote. Many MPs believe that immigration was a key factor and increasingly there are calls for the party to abandon its commitment to the free movement of labour. But Corbyn sees the Brexit vote as primarily a vote against the economic status quo and, as he confirmed this morning, he is opposed to immigration controls. Interestingly, this is one issue where Labour’s old right, which is sceptical about immigration, disagrees with the pro-free movement Blairite right. On this topic Corbyn is a Blairite. Again, I'd naturally agree with Corbyn on this - and by extension, Blair.

As an aside, to everyone's great surprise no doubt, MH17 was shot down by Russian equipment: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/28/flight-mh17-shot-down-by-missile-brought-in-from-russia-ukraine-malaysia-airlines

I think they should go for Wenger, personally. He's had it at Arsenal now anyway, may as well move on at last.

I'm clearly going to yo-yo on this issue so I'll just say I don't approve of anti-semitism anywhere near Labour, and hope that if it exists, it can be stamped out.

Fair enough. As another stat, from reading Villa Talk one guy just mentioned that they've won 4 games in 16 months, and haven't won away from home since August 2015. That's incredible. EDIT - although I daresay we managed something similar.

Encouraging! Happy Face saving the day as usual.

That's brilliant.

I meant that if they're getting to the 80th minute of games in winning positions and then throwing them away, their issue is defending.

I'll agree with you on that. De-toxifying the whole thing would send a very positive message.

That is rather dismal. This anti-semitism stuff is getting very annoying now, it's a total distraction from the main issues. It needs stamping out so what we can move on to actual policies. It'd be interesting to hear this woman explain her views when she's not on the spot but I don't think it leaves much left to say. I'm especially interested in whatever is meant by 'not found a definition of anti-semitism that I can work with'.

Fair point.

Can't see Di Matteo coming back from this, but all they really need is to be able to fucking defend, surely. They're scoring enough.

I guess you're right. And I suppose the same thing is also true of Brexit. I think he's offering a more positive message overall than Clinton though, at least in the small bits and pieces that seem to be reaching me. And I read the Guardian...

Is his message one of fear, or is it one of optimism? I'm not advocating for the guy, but isn't his language positive and about 'making America great' and so on? Isn't he offering false hope? Much like Brexit?