Rayvin
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Today in PMQs:
Farage
We at Reform, a party that is alive and kicking, very much enjoyed your speech on Monday, you seem to be learning a very great deal from us. Could I encourage you please to go further, as a matter of national security?
Over the weekend, an illegal immigrant from Iran, who we believe came by boat, was arrested in the north of England on serious charges of terrorism. Since the speech on Monday, 1,000 young, undocumented young males have crossed the English Channel.
Does the prime minister agree, now is the time to declare the situation in the English Channel as a national security emergency?
Starmer
The situation is serious, the last government lost control of the borders.
The [border security, asylum and immigration) bill is the first bill to give terrorism-like powers to law enforcement, precisely so that we can get in before the crimes are committed, before people get to this country.
This is the most far-reaching provision ever for law enforcement to defend and secure our borders, and that’s why it is extraordinary that he, of all people, voted against it.
This is going to be the dialogue for the next 4 years I suspect.
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Maybe I'm misremembering what he was responsible for then. I thought he was pretty much the man behind most of our first team buys. If he wasn't, then yes my view of him changes quite a bit.
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17 hours ago, Craig said:
I think the electorate very much do understand the issues that are important to them. What a good proportion don't understand is how those issues tie into overall rhetoric.I don't agree. Immigration is a great example. Most people who want immigration to go down understand only one side of that issue. They do not understand for instance that social care will be decimated, that pensions will be threatened, that certain sectors will struggle with impacts felt throughout the economy.
Most of them don't even understand that immigration is a net positive on the economy. People sort of drift through life thinking that governments make these choices out of some Marxist agenda, whereas in reality the choice to permit immigration is a response to an economic need.
I am yet to see an anti immigration voter properly contend with both sides of that issue, and thats what I mean when I say people don't understand these issues as fully as they'd need to in order to make an informed decision.
I debate with the fuckers day in, day out. I can see it.
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Am I alone in thinking that for all he's a bastard, he was actually pretty good?
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The media and dirty money is in charge more like. The electorate for the most part doesn't understand any single issue well enough to place an informed vote against it because they only get their information from one side.
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1 minute ago, Alex said:
I think the student visa thing was to allow them to paper over the cracks of the loss of FoM. But it was massively open to abuse with academic institutions being set up that were only pretending to teach students and were just a route into allowing you to live here
Ah that makes sense now. But it's interesting this point about papering over the cracks - what does Labour expect is going to be different now, that they'll enact changes quick enough that they can fill the cracks before they need papering over?
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I see we're running Rivers of Blood comparisons today. One thing that I'm not following mind, Starmer keeps claiming that the Tories were running an open border experiment - obviously they weren't in reality, but what is he basically pointing to? What specifically did the Tories do which enabled immigration to spiral?
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I was wondering if he doesn't thrive as well with Barnes as he does with Gordon, but if he is injured in some form then thats a better scenario. A few people are saying his head is turned but he looks angry enough when he misses that im not sure it would impact his game even if it was true.
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Was looking back at some of my posts from nearer Brexit, a much angrier time for me
I think me of 4 years ago was right on this though:
On 18/11/2021 at 12:05, Rayvin said:I'd accept anything that restores freedom of movement. So I can leave more easily
It's not about whether or not I know better than them, it's not my job to win them the election. It's about being an active part of their thinking - they will either group me under "this bloke wants back in the EU but he'll vote Labour anyway so his first loyalty is to the party, meaning we can assume we'll get his vote no matter what" or they will have me under "this bloke wants back in the EU and was prepared to leave the party over it, that's a vote lost that we would otherwise have". Which of those two positions is more likely to get me what I want?
Myself and my issue are only relevant in their thinking if I'm being weighed up against their gains by going the other way - the only way I can diminish the appeal of the gammon appeasement is by sitting on the other side to them. And frankly it's a pretty lost cause based on how things seem to be, but I'm sticking to it because the right thing for this country is to grow the fuck up, admit we were wrong, and REJOIN THE FUCKING EU.
Ignore the EU focus of that because really you could say the same about any issue. If we fall into line with an ever more right leaning Labour party, we will never realise anything we want to see happen. Starmer has proven that in his first year in power.
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Having now reviewed this immigration stuff in more detail, I'm back to despairing. It's fact free bollocks that just endorses Reform talking points. Guardian comment section is full of people declaring they will abandon Labour, and I know that's just the Guardian, but let's be real, a lot of us read it. A lot of left of centre people read it.
I wonder if there's something to be said for the Tories in all this. They believe most of the same things but weren't competent enough to get any of it done. Labour on the other hand...
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It's not like it even hurt Chelsea, they were better without him. In the end he's a bellend, playing for a bellend club, whose suspension will only sadden bellends. That's all that really matters.
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I mean tbh I'm not at all convinced Labour is ready to be having this conversation though. It feels to me, and has felt to me since Miliband, that Labour needs some sort of actual vision to be taking the country toward. I get that pragmatism is important but I don't think it can exist just on its own. We need to be going somewhere, and with Labour it's really poorly defined. It's all reactive stuff.
Whether it's Starmer, Rayner, whoever... I just don't see who in the party has the first fucking idea where to take the country. There is leadership but no vision.
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4 hours ago, Gemmill said:
Poor little fucker was hit by a car last night and killed. Someone very kindly picked her up and took her to the vet who has just rang us.
It was on Sandy Lane, which I'm surprised she went as far as, but there you go.
Fuck sake mate, I'm sorry. Fucking shit news.
You'll likely not forget her at least, she seemed to have some real personality to her.
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Huh.. you all really think that's likely? Who would step into the breach? I don't think the issue is just Starmer at all, I think it's a party wide malaise.
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Corbyn was challenged by the Blairites though, and Starmer is from their fold. He's since purged the party of the moderate left so we won't see any sort of challenge this term IMO.
The immigration thing I don't have as much of an issue with tbh - I mean it's a nonsense issue in reality but it is a substantive issue in terms of narrative. More communication about what they're doing to tackle it isn't a bad thing - even if I saw very little detail about what all of this speech actually means in reality.
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1 hour ago, Dazzler said:
Almost everything suggests that the following will transpire:
1 ) Howe will set up with a back three.
2 ) Isak will score pretty early.
3 ) Arteta will not have an answer.
4 ) Mad Dog will wind up the opposition coaches.
5 ) Half time.
6 ) Gordon will score early in the second.
7 ) Arteta won't even understand the question let alone have an answer for it.
8 ) Full time.
2-0 us.
This but also Arteta blames the ref/ball/weather/planetary alignment and then proclaims Arsenal to be the best team in the league, for all time.
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He's not even good enough to warrant this level of fuss.
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Mind you, if we beat them a fourth time this season I genuinely think it might break Arteta. We might watch a man completely come apart in real time.
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2 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:
What’s this nonsense?
Its only Arsenal man, we’ve wiped our arse with them three times already this season.
I mean I know, but at the same time I just thought it might be interesting to review the permutations
I always back us against Arsenal but at the same time, we shouldn't panic if we lose.
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Pressure is off on this one to some extent with the way the table is set. As long as we avoid a bad loss, we'll still be in a solid enough position on final day. Not that I'd want it to go to final day. If we lose to Arsenal and everyone else wins their games, we're still 5th at minimum thanks to GD.
If we win it, we're over the line. I guess a draw might help us against Chelsea in the end.
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They probably will be, final game of the season at home presumably. Doesn't change the fact that they're not exactly a superb team though.
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Fucking Arteta
He's a living meme.
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2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:
Having a go at the manager in the middle of the pitch. Bang out of order.
For real?
What a joke man. As if this hasn't been Forest's best season in decades.
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3 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:
Forest owners on the pitch kicking off
Fat cunt
About what
Eddie Howe
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Can those links not be ported into one of the thread unroller sites and distributed via those? I appreciate it still ultimately needs someone to click it but after that the clicks go to the middleman site unless I'm interpreting it incorrectly.
I tend to use them whenever I have to view a twitter thread these days since you can't view those without an account, but it seems to work for just solitary tweets as well.