Rayvin

I think the bubble will burst soon tbh, and maybe once it does we can get something back of the sport we all grew up with. The longer we have an impenetrable top 4, the more likely it is that people will simply lose interest. Looking at it this season, for all the heroics of Southampton, they aren't gonna get a CL space, I mean get real. Arsenal will get in there somehow, Man Utd look like they'll get it and we'll have the same top 4 that we normally have, once again.

I am not visiting that website, if it even exists...

Where do you find this stuff

I would have said this was the most likely reason too. If it had been in Britain I would have expected to hear about it (but only because three people died - I don't think we hear about every murder over here by any stretch of the imagination).

Probably also vitally important for commercial revenues globally.

Now that the immediate frustration has worn off - are we being too hard on Carver? Yes we were shit, yes he pulled off our attacking players, but he is clearly a limited manager and perhaps his defensive actions salvaged us a point in the end. I'm not saying that makes him worth keeping around as he most definitely isn't, but if he didn't have it in him to work out a strategy to win the game, at least he didn't lose it.

Yeah you pretty much had this spot on. Not sure how much of a consolation that is though...

That's Carver by the way - what really fucks me off about him is how he keep referencing other managers like some kind of schoolkid as if their comments give him the legitimacy and attention he craves. "I was fucking brave to play two strikers away from home, Alan told me so - picking up 6 points out of a possible 18 is really impressive as well" God I hate this club sometimes.

It's another game unbeaten, that's one win, three draws and two defeats now, which is not bad in this league. We said before the game we knew we were up against a big physical side and the pitch was quite lively, so we knew it was going to be a bit of a battle. "I stuck Papiss Cisse in. I was brave to play two strikers away from home, but he's a fox in the box and if he keeps scoring he has to be in the team. "It's a bit strange [facing Alan Pardew] because I worked with him for four years but once I got off the bus I went into professional mode. After the game he said to me: 'Well done, you deserved the point.'

We aren't going to get relegated man, he'll pick up another flukey win somewhere and that'll be that. Really hope he doesn't get the job longer term though.

That was like Pardew vs Pardew. Fucking terrible. At least we didn't lose.

On the up side, the coin thrower has been soundly criticised on Palace's forum. Nice to see that tribalism doesn't trump everything.

Haha awesome Stepped away to do the dishes (yes, this match is that bad) and came back to this.

Burnley seem to be giving ManU a game and a half...

The Allardyce love in is a bizarre one to be sure, but he's clearly getting something right this season.

Swiftly followed by him claiming that he wasn't interested.

Didn't they just give him a four year contract like...2 months ago?

Lambert sacked...

Pardew in his pre-match notes: "Much was muttered and written during my time in the North East," Pardew wrote. "As this is the first chance I have had to talk directly to the Newcastle supporters and the players who worked so hard for me since my departure, it is a great opportunity to reflect on a period that was much discussed and unfairly judged in my opinion. "If you look at the net spend we had in my time at Newcastle, you can only conclude it was a successful period because the club I left are established in the Premier League with a platform to go to the next level. It is a legacy that I am proud to have on my record."

Ah fine. We're going to lose 2-1, Shola will get the winner and Pardew will do some kind of lap of honour at the end. Then I'll have to read all the comments in the Guardian about how delusional we all are.

It's not laughter yoga right? Stay the fuck clear of that.

Why is everyone so convinced that Pardew is going to win this? I mean, he might do...but the general consensus was that he was a fucking shit manager wasn't it? He had much better players here than he does at Palace ffs. I think if he wins it he'll be fucking lucky to have done so. The man is a charlatan. So is Carver like, but Carver has a home advantage and better players.

I had a friend who went to 'laughter yoga'...that sounded really disturbing. Apparently he had to be 'milked' by an old man because this would be 'conducive to laughter'... Yep, that's my contribution to this discussion.

He's different to many other footballers who are ultimately all going out of their way to be totally vanilla. He cost Man Utd the title the first year that City won it by elbowing Aguero in the face (or was it Tevez?) I found that hilarious At the end of the day, he's an utter cunt, but I find him pretty entertaining for this reason. I basically just think he's a lot more honest than your average footballer.