Renton

Sweating, heart rate soaring, palpitations, nausea, just generally shitting myself, especially on take off. I've flown so much recently I'm really not bothered any more. Also sussed out alcohol and benzos DON'T help. 143404[/snapback] I get that on the Metro 143417[/snapback] aww I pretty much get all those symptoms if im in an enclosed space or i look down from a tall building, even on the London underground i felt paniky Is it because you had to fly often that you have got over your fears now Renton? 143421[/snapback] Pretty much so I think. I fly between 6 and 12 times a year and it's pretty hard to feel anxious about it all the time.....

Do you actually know what a phobia is and how they are triggered?

Sweating, heart rate soaring, palpitations, nausea, just generally shitting myself, especially on take off. 143404[/snapback] Sounds no different to how I imagine you at the match. Weird what different people are scared of like. I don't think I've got any real phobias other than work. 143407[/snapback] I'm scared of dying and flying brings this thought to the front of my mind.

Personally I find the short-haul domestic flights the worst of the worst. From experience I've found a as a general rule, the further you're travelling, the more comfortable and more relaxed I feel... 143387[/snapback] Personally I have to say that really is utter bollocks. The further you go the longer you are on the metal tube of death. 143390[/snapback] Absolute horse-shit! Do Southampton to Edinburgh in a BAE 1-11 and then tell me a Boeing is worse! Further you go, the bigger the plane and therefore the smoother the journey. I bet you're one of these freaks who reckons a Fiat Panda offers the same comfort as a Bentley, aren't you Renton? 143402[/snapback] I wasn't talking about tiny planes Mr Nerdgeek. But personally I'd much rather fly to Rome, say, in an Easyjet 737, than fly trans-Atlantic in a 767 in economy class. The difference being about 6 hours.

Sweating, heart rate soaring, palpitations, nausea, just generally shitting myself, especially on take off. I've flown so much recently I'm really not bothered any more. Also sussed out alcohol and benzos DON'T help.

Personally I find the short-haul domestic flights the worst of the worst. From experience I've found a as a general rule, the further you're travelling, the more comfortable and more relaxed I feel... 143387[/snapback] thought we' d got off my flying fears!! I suppose it wouldnt really matter if its a short flight, once im up there, infact, i was told the short haul flights use rattley small planes 143391[/snapback] Get a 737 or bigger and they're much the same.

Personally I find the short-haul domestic flights the worst of the worst. From experience I've found a as a general rule, the further you're travelling, the more comfortable and more relaxed I feel... 143387[/snapback] Personally I have to say that really is utter bollocks. The further you go the longer you are on the metal tube of death.

Aren't you doing a psychology degree though GF? Now I do mean no offence but if so there is a fair chance you will end up a low earner. Personally I reckon there's nothing wrong with that like.

As usual I'm not sure how much GF is joking but he's doing himself no favours with this oudoing his Dad stuff. Sounds like he's failing miserably so far too.

Plane wouldn't take off tbh. Did you meet at a flightophobia support group or something? That's bizarre that you both have a fear of it. 143334[/snapback] They may feed each others fear. I'm finally over my fear of flying thank God.

I had some locally produced wine in Corfu once in a restaurant - possibly the worst thing I have ever tasted. They tried to give me more the next day and took umbrage when I made my excuses....

The worst that can happen is you suffer a protracted, painful, terrifying death, but if that happened you'd have the benefit of becoming a toontastic legend!

unless you're a heathen like me and enjoy red wine cold too Funny how tastes change, i'd never touch red wine, thought it all tasted like vinegar....(though i know some really do) , i now love the South African and Californian wines. But the best red i've tried was from Limassol, Cyprus. 143298[/snapback] Cypriot wine? Fuck off! 143302[/snapback] yeah i thought that too (and still do) untill i tasted this particular wine, gorgeous! Its just a small region where its made apparantely, and not in enough quantity to export. 143308[/snapback] Has the added advantage of running your car too if you run out of petrol. GF, I know what I heard, just because I can't cite it doesn't mean I'm losing my marbles!

Aye, £40 seemed a bit steep to me. And he says that's a special offer. How much is it to get an obituary in the paper these days? 143297[/snapback] Our local paper charges per word, so its probably £30 upwards....so your mate's price isnt too bad at all, plus its permanent. 143301[/snapback] Less permanent than paper though I know what you mean. Having thought about it, it might work. Has he got a patent on it?

unless you're a heathen like me and enjoy red wine cold too Funny how tastes change, i'd never touch red wine, thought it all tasted like vinegar....(though i know some really do) , i now love the South African and Californian wines. But the best red i've tried was from Limassol, Cyprus. 143298[/snapback] Cypriot wine? Fuck off!

Actually, I think that was the point in this test - they chilled the red and most people couldn't tell the difference. Then again, they might have been phillistines like Brock.

...makes you what?? 143271[/snapback] forget my words?? No it makes me urge! 143273[/snapback]

So it's kind of like friends reunited for dead people? It's an interesting idea, but I'm struggling to imagine this being a success.

I guarantee you could not tell the difference if it were put to a blind taste test. Apparently most people cannot tell the difference between white and red wine under these circumstances. Mind, I can give you the vineyard and vintage.

"Lawyers who have talked to the Marines emphasise the extreme pressure that they were facing that day. The insurgents had mounted a wave of attacks, and the town was one of the most dangerous in Iraq for US troops. Three months earlier insurgents had ambushed and killed six Marine snipers, then released a video showing the mutilated body of a dead servicemen. Later 14 Marines were killed by a bomb near the town." 143105[/snapback] So they killed a two year old in cold blood. 143118[/snapback] Well the way I read that argument is to specifically say that it was not 'cold blood.' Not agreeing or disagreeing with either side, just pointing out what the argument is saying. And Britons do not think that the life of an Indian and an Englishman or an Iraqi and an Englishman are equal. And a Russian doesn't think the life of a Russian and a Mongol's lives are equal--you can say that about anyone. I pretty welll agree with you guys, but your arguments are a load of shite. 143234[/snapback] Fair point Zathras, but I certainly get the feeling there is more prejudice and ignorance shown to the problem in Iraq than there is in Europe. And American soldiers have a well known reputation of being trigger happy. Of course it's wrong to generalise about these things I guess but the whole situation is pissing me off. Not only is the massacre described abhorrent for humanitarian reasons, it is also completely counterproductive to the peace efforts. This is what I fear some Americans (and Brits) fail to comprehend.

People who believe there's a difference need shooting tbh.

Just thought I'd add that I thought GF's response there was particularly cretinous. 143096[/snapback] Basically advocating double standards, let's let these fellas off while were at it. They were probably having a bad day 143098[/snapback] It is double standards and blatent racism to an extent. Clearly the average American does not think the life of an Iraqi and an American are equal, and while that prejudice exists, there can be no peace. Mind, I'm obviously a sandalista.

Just thought I'd add that I thought GF's response there was particularly cretinous.

The battle for hearts and minds. What a joke. The US army cannot be a viable peace-keeping force in Iraq now.