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But thats also propoganda . It's a tiny world nowadays I'm not sure the neighbour thing goes. If we redline Chemical weapons, or bombing civlians and talk about atrocities, then how can we profit from it? Read on Yemen, if you are interested, its very eye opening to the true cost of our societies. Finally, ask yourself a question - if you grew up with 40-50 years of oppression and murder at the hands of "US/Isreal" agents , would you want death to america and Isreal? Everything is so complex, by me writing this I'm not saying the US / Isreal is bad (well maybe Isreal) - but that's a clear invasion of land - as was Iraq . Conversely, we seem to hear little about France's "war on terror" done very differently to ours , but what they have done in Mali should be a gold standard imo, risk fighters lives, not civilians. They've had a 10 year war with minimal civilian casualties. (5 in 6 months of war during is the highest validated number, but 19 at a wedding is claimed). They didnt try to land grab, or instill "democracy" they've just fought the enemy. British view is still that they are surrender monkeys in most terms - when their military has easily outperformed the superpowers of the USA and Russia in that theatre. There's always 2 sides and the people on the ground, like you and me, are nearly always decent human beings until bad things happen to them. War is fucking horrible and taking sides just leads to more war. We need co-operation, dialogue and shared experiences, not competition and demonisation of anyone with a different world view.

I'm saying that , if we established a no fly zone, we'd have full scale war. No doubt about that in my mind whatsoever. Putin is a madman and his regime is fucking horrific, but , in honesty, so are many of the Wests. Our targets are just "far away" or black. We need a change across the board, and genuine democracy does seem the answer, but where is it? Certainly not in the UK (FPTP and media is pretty much "state owned" when its all doners to the current party in power) - USA or Russia. Judging by the last decade - our "average joe" has become a heartless consumer with no thought of the human cost of the needless things we are being conditioned to think we need for a good life. We've supported, funded and assisted attacks just like the one on Ukraine - but we get other actors to do our dirty work for us. We call it for "democracy" but. my personal view , is its for energy or resources every time. We even have access to Saudi military planning and see the attacks in advance and they ARE on civilians , hospitals, electicity , water etc - but as we dont have any power over "choosing the targets" its ok?

Ok, Im going to post something honest here, I hope it doesn't offend anyone too much - but hopefully, I hope someone can also sympathise with the view - only because I feel a bit like a "uncaring outlier" at the moment. This has nothing to do with the ownership of NUFC , it's co-incidence only that I mention it. I think that Propagandas is everywhere, on both sides. All this "Ukraine 100% good guy, Russia 100% bad guy" , is dangerous imo. Ukraine does have an awful history at how it treats non whites and minorities - but conversely, I don't believe they are all neo nazis like Putin is peddling. But to say they are not a racist nation etc , like the papers are doing now, is denial. Pre-2022 coverage: Ukraine face potential racism sanctions - Federation | Reuters Ukraine conflict: Refugees in their own country - BBC News The hypocrisy of our media and government appals me, it's also scary how easy it is to "change" the internet. Try this: is ukraine a racist country at DuckDuckGo (dated before 2022) Top hit: In Modern Ukraine, People of Color Need Not Apply | | Observer Today -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Ukraine That said, I'd rather our response was what it is to the Ukraine (selling weapons to the attacked, rather than the aggressor) , than it is to Saudi Arabia and the Yemen. Can anyone explain the difference to me please? 17 billion worth of planes, bombs and other weapons of mass destruction from 2015 to 2019 and UK authorised £1.4bn of arms sales to Saudi Arabia after exports resumed | Arms trade | The Guardian , this year. Chemical weapons a "red line" - not for us selling - as long is its in DIY kit form. -> Saudi Arabia's use of British weapons in Yemen to be investigated by Parliamentary commission | The Independent | The Independent ("Sir John Stanley, CAEC had a strong record for holding to ministers to account and exposing flaws in the arms control system, including a decision by the Coalition to allow the export to Syria of substances that could have been used for the production of chemical weapons." Saudi Arabia used chemical weapons in Yemen—who’s going to bomb them? – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services I'm by no means being an apologist, but fucking nora it makes me sick. Give me a reason other than it being Europeans , culture , or skin colour. As horrible as this sounds, I think the western response might actually need to scale back a bit - When we have Biden, Boris and Liz Truss on the microphone - it literally scares the shit out of me that they will push this madman over the edge. Boris definitely ramped up the rhetoric at the time of partygate and that terrified me. I know its kitsch to say - but we really do seem to have the worst set of leaders at the worst time. The only positive for me , is that China has hidden behind the curtain. Last rant - when did it become acceptable to show killings and dead bodies on mainstream TV and news? The soldiers are human beings on both sides and they will think they are doing the right thing - they are victims as much as everyone else. These are real human beings with parents and its awful to see the BBC airing things like Ukrainians gloating over the train carriages full of dead russian bodies they have - family might see that! Finally, hope this hasn't angered anyone - Its not the intention, its more for debate around the dangers of polarisation / internet news.

I used to behave like this to girls I fancied at school. Didn't work ..

Yeah, lets not get bored eh. better to just ignore it .. that works.

Here's a side thought, my own belief. What is it with all this stuff at the moment, our entire way of life is underpinned by the absolute horrors of extreme globalisation and company externalities. E.G. selling weapons to horrible entities - producing our electrical goods in chicken farm esque facilities, animals suffering like you wouldn't believe on the grand conveyor belt of "Modern" food production, so we can have our fucking 99p burgers. All our waste and recycling being sent to those that will take the least money for it - etc etc etc .exploitation is everywhere . All this is just "look over there" and not "look at what WE are doing". By buying fuel for our excessive consumption we are bankrolling everything. You can't buy a pair of jeans at asda for 4 quid and not realise someone is getting fucked somewhere.. It's good news, but that lass who's been released from Iran - after we repay the debt we had sanctioned and refused to pay - because we have to buy oil from them from December onwards. Britain and US announce ban on Russian oil as economic vice tightens on Putin’s regime | Evening Standard - Effective december.. Big whoop. Cheery thoughts eh.

It took ref's assistance and an absolutely brilliant goal to beat us .. Very promising with a "second string" !!! Convinced ASM is too expensive, risk wise, to play.

Interested to see if ASM's introduction improves us, or not. Jury is out , after the last few games.

Yup, saw it and thought - is he trying to save morale of our best players? Let Lascelles take a whooping he's used to it - or just save legs cos its been an outstanding run. Expecting a whooping, wants to try 5 at the back and preserve the morale of potentially shaky people? Looking a good choice 10 minutes in, to be fair.

I was at the evening with Rob Lee in Seaton Sluice when this went in , most people laughed at the goal rather than cheer! Absolutely mental effort.

Professionalism? I contract and have lots of clients that don't care - but I'm more likely to be hired again if I do a professional job. I think that's what annoys me, all the money and a shit attitude. (but then, who knows what goes on behind closed doors). Like Shelvey, if he was getting dropped and had a team that doesnt care, well he should and lead by example and try and get a way out of the club - not just sit on your hands, sulk and take the money.

Yeah, I wanted to edit that, because I'm basing my "lower turnarounds" on one game, against a 10 man Brentford. Perhaps harsh , but we'll find out next game!

I'm personally wondering how "injured" ASM actually is. Some of his 70 minute onwards limping and sitting down clearly seems to get on Howe's tits (if you see him on camera on match of the day the other week, he's just shaking his head at him as he tries to play to be subbed). We seem more robust in possession without him, the number of turnarounds is much lower ..

Hmm, they improved before that though. I saw shelvey run when not in possession before any signings were made. The change is so different that I'm facing cognitive dissonance on how much hate I had for a couple of our players - and how now they are totally the opposite. I don't know whether to be even angrier as they've clearly been taking the piss.

In all seriousness, In my opinion I don't think he has transformed Schar, he's always been very talented at bringing the ball forward - he's just been surrounded by absolute shite for months. When he plays for his country he's always looked like he did in his early and present days at Newcastle. We're sorted now like, I can't believe how quickly we've come out of relegation - and doing it without using his most expensive signing , sends a great message to the team imo.

No its putting words in my mouth and writing your percieved meaning as fact. thats what got me riled. I'm going to flounce cos I don't think anyone needs anymore conflict or division in their lives right now. Im writing this while the match is on ffs, cos I was triggered by words being put in my mouth, I hate that.

nah you just want to argue with the view you've taken of me, due to one sentance. I'm saying that if he did start Shock and Awe , like the US and UK did (who is the main contributer of funds to NATO) then it's likely they would have more people pushing for escalation from NATO countries. I don't think that is so unreasonable tbh. I've edited this, but strong views of "of course we don't care more because they are white" might work for us, it does for me - but a horrible reality is that for many, they are racist - either knowingly or not and do put more value on people who look and act more like themselves. Brexit showed the level of xenophobia we have here. But im not having a go at anyone , nor saying no ones got a right, I'm trying to have a discussion. You just want an argument or to feel right, or at least that's how its coming across.

It's by no means the worst thing to happen since WW2, many horrible things have happened. So many atrocities since then. Sudan, The Kymer Rouge, Guatemalan civil war, Yugoslavia, Chechyna, Bangladesh in 71, Afghanistan (russia conflict), Syria - there's loads of things that are comparable. We did nothing for most of the above, too far away and not in our interests.

Where did I say anything like that? that's your perception reading my post but its no way how it was meant. Try think the best of other people rather than wanting to argue eh? Nothing I said was argumentative , I was just sharing a perspective. Jaysus. "I've been fighting this in my own circles" - shows me that you're perhaps feeling too emotive and quickly jumping to conclusions that are a reason to start labelling and putting people into little boxes of "friend and enemy". I was sharing what Putin is saying to his people, WHERE anywhere in that did I even say I agree? Now I'm riled too, and for no reason other than being shocked as just how conditioned to argue and disagree some of us are, in a time where the whole message we are learning is that blind conflict and an inability or refusal to even entertain an opposing view - causes us all pain.

You would be surprised. Wearing a mask to save granny was too much for some of us in June 2020. I suspect many of "us" would be long gone before the invasion even happened.

That's putting words in my mouth - I've not supported it or refused to condemn it. In fact, I even highlighted in bold that I didn't support it. I've spotted so much use of "Left and right" have you already labelled me in a nice little bucket already? This Left and right stuff is deliberately concocted by the people in politics to make us think in Black and White and divide us. I'd suggest you work on trying to drop it. There is no left and right clear division this way. If you try and see both sides - that doesn't make you a sympathiser - if you studied history as a subject - thats what its all about! No one's view is the "right one".

I'm still very worried, especially so with Boris making Russian language speeches. If we sanction Russia for "long term" aims - I worry that we are effectively recreating the situation with the Treaty of Versailles and Germany, actually losing support as the population get Angry and want reprisals. From what I've been reading over the years - Putin is pretty much saying "how can you do X, when we can't" E.g the argument over the research and development of weapons that contravene the build up treaty - because they are "defensive". My view is he sees the US / UK Invasion of Iraq as being totally and fairly comparable to what he's doing - he's trying to drive tanks at speed into Kyiv and overthrow the leader and replace him . Will he have him hung on video? The problem he's having with Ukraine is that he's not carpet bombed civilian or governmental targets in the city, as we did during the "Shock and Awe" first phase of our assault. so they are not completely psychologically and physically broken before his arrival. Also, in Iraq the public had no appetite to defend their regime - Ukraine's been very impressive. Time will tell how much of the Civilians taking arms is through a desire to defend and how much is driven by the government blocking escape for men of fighting age. Again, maybe biased, but I think its a sad reality that killing Iraqi civilians in their cities is somewhat more palatable to NATO members, than the same in a white European city ; this gives Russia a massive problem.. How can they take this city without looking like absolute monsters , and also they don't want destruction, they want regime change and a quick change of "ownership". I'm by no means supporting the maniac. Numbers and stories on both sides will be propaganda based , as far as numbers - but I've not seen many verified videos of airstrikes, downed planes or destroyed tanks from either side . The woman with the Sunflowers will go down in history. Putin's clearly snapped and that's fuckin terrifying in my book , we need to handle this very carefully indeed and try and encourage his own people to oust him before he feels like a mad caged tiger and starts releasing Electromagnetic Bombs. Anyhoo, thats my shite for the day...

That's how you do it, against a huge conventional army though - down and dirty guerilla warfare. Problem is it may make every civilian a "legitimate" military target. No one's ever dared invade Switzerland (I think?) , you know that every household is armed and will shoot from their windows.

Great advice, most of the stuff on twitter yesterday has been outed as fake or old videos made to be new. In other news - nice one Kuwait for sticking your neck out , they know what its like.

That's better! Phew I honestly was starting to shit myself that the world has gone 101% topsy turvy. Equilibrium is restored