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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1263728,00.html Chelsea FC Bosses 'On Missing Helicopter' Updated: 09:20, Wednesday May 02, 2007 Sky News understands that senior Chelsea FC officials were on board a private helicopter that disappeared off radar screens last night. Chelsea FC say they are not aware of any officials being involved in an accident. Police have not confirmed who was on board the craft. The helicopter left John Lennon Airport in Liverpool last night and was heading to a private landing site near Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, when it vanished. Rescue teams are searching an area around the north Midlands. A police spokeswoman said: "Details are sketchy at the moment. "The helicopter, we believe, had about four or five people on board and was a twin-engine Squirrel. "It left John Lennon Airport in Liverpool at about 11pm last night and was on its way to a private address near Peterborough. "It appears to have disappeared off the radar. At the moment we are trying to find out more. "The best case scenario is that it has made an emergency landing somewhere."

Charvas.

Think it changed in the last close season. I reckon its better that way as there is less of a 'grey area'. I thought "daylight" made more sense tbh.

I have no grudge against Martins. I just speak the truth about his movement and touch while others like to plaster "but he's scored lots of goals for his first season in the league" over some very obvious cracks.

When did they change the offside rule (AGAIN) to "any part of your party that you can feasibly strike the ball with" being ahead of the defender = offside. Fucking ridiculous! What happens if you're leaning forward so your head is offside (!?) but you end up knocking it in with your foot?

The groom wants wine. There's definitely something not right.

Why has David Gray's name come up in a best guitarist thread?

White Zinfandel. Failing that, Toonraider can help you out with some nice Cypriot wine.

But even when he first came back, he didn't have to bust a gut for a manager who clearly didn't want him to be there. He could have sulked and not been arsed but he didn't. No, but there's no indication that N'Zogbia instantly did this either though.

Milner's been getting games though tbf. Although he hasn't been immune to Roeder's bizarre drop them when they're playing well approach.

What is your point exactly? That everything about Liverpool is geared towards being successful (scouring Europe for Benitez). Whilst everything at Newcastle is geared towards just getting by (appointing a caretaker because it involved the least hassle). I reckon that was probably his point.

I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about performances. Souness for all his faults would never have stood for some of the shit we've served up at SJP this season, which has been worse than anything under Souness in terms of the way we've meekly surrendered when put under any sort of pressure. We just didn't roll over for teams like we have been this season. Genuinely outplayed by far more sides when we had a better squad imo. Souness was worse than Roeder man. I'm not convinced of that, but even if that's true my point still stands that some of the performances under Roeder have been worse than anything we saw under Souness.

I'll raise you an Olivier Bernard. Since when has he been our midfield 'engine' week in week out? Bernard can't even get a game for the reserves man. What a signing.

I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about performances. Souness for all his faults would never have stood for some of the shit we've served up at SJP this season, which has been worse than anything under Souness in terms of the way we've meekly surrendered when put under any sort of pressure. We just didn't roll over for teams like we have been this season.

Just giving you the facts, lads.

You don't sell 25 million by being 'just another indie band' to be fair. You do it by being just another indie band that breaks America. Although I do like Coldplay.

He's trailer trash anyway iirc.

I've been saying that for a while, and what's more, it's FACT. We were never the pushover at SJP under Souness that we have been at times under Roeder.

Aye that's bollocks, but at the same time a lot of the shit that we've endured under Roeder has been worse than things were under Souness.

Wasn't he pretty much dropped as soon as Duff was fit to play though? I'm not sure how you can make the claim that he took the huff the minute Duff arrived. I just look at him now, and everything about the lad screams that he's not happy here - he's always been a miserable looking fucker, but now his form has dipped, he doesn't look anything like the exciting talent he did last season, and it's Roeder's job to sort that out. When it's obvious that you have a member of staff that is sick of their life, you have to work with them to try and make things better - it's a manager's job.

Aye, he's a brilliant guitar player. Mind he's brilliant with any number of musical instruments. Ludicrously talented. Glad you agree He is so often overlooked when people talk about great guitar players. Saw him play live a few years ago, and he basically picked up pretty much every instrument onstage at some point and was brilliant on all of them. Guitar in particular though.

Paranoid. All them drugs.

Last season in fairness. He's not the only one though. If you mean under Roeder then he has played well for him already then. If the change was after the arrival of Duff then the lad is a prick. He was not exactly a game winner (it is possible to be at that age, just look at Man U) so why shouldnt the squad strengthen in midfield in his area? He has also stated that he prefers to play more centrally. He has no right at that age to be put out by the arrival of a player that will compete for his place. He has every right to be put out by being kept out by a player who is plainly underperforming, but who no matter how bad he plays doesn't get dropped though. No one is suggesting that his lip went on the day we signed Duff. He could be a match winner btw (more so than the majority of our first team), and at 18/19 he was certainly worth keeping in the first team frame a lot more than Roeder has bothered to.

Hey Isegrim, speaking of Klinsmann, I heard on the news that there's been a baby boom in Germany in March which is being directly attributed to all you filthy Germans ragging during the World Cup to celebrate Germany' s success. Birth rate up 30% in March - apparently they're calling them the Klinsi Generation or something.

Shouldn't N'Zogbia be fighting for his place though? He's been crap this year tbf. He's been kept out of the team by a bloke that shouldn't have been getting a game - pretty demoralising I imagine. Then when he's finally fit and the other bloke gets injured, we rejig the team so that he still doesn't get a game. I don't really buy that, competition should make him more determined. Maybe he hasn't warranted his place; difficult to believe, I know, considering the opposition. In the ideal case yes. But not every player responds to this kind of "motivation" in the same way. I think the fact that Roeder rather plays right footed players in this position would piss me off big time as well. And unhappy players rarely perform. Then he shouldnt be playing sport for a living. Simple as that. If a sportsman doesnt respond to competition then they should be booted out of the sport. Get rid. It doesn't work like that, loads of players regardless of their talent would have got the hump the way N'Zogbia appears to have done with the treatment he's had. There's definitely been favouritism shown towards Duff for example which is understandable but not right. Signing Duff in the first place was less understandable. To turn things round, N'Zogbia could have been performing better than Duff in training etc. earlier in the season but still not getting a look-in. Either way, one of the main things about being a good manager is knowing how to deal with different personalities. The point being he has to fight for his place. If its not in his nature to fight for his place then my point stands. As for his treatment, he is young and not that good. You'd think we had Romario on our hands. Nobody's saying he's the next Thierry Henry or anything, but he was until recently one of the few bright spots we had in our squad - a talented attacking player who liked to run at people, had a few tricks up his sleeve, wasn't easy to knock off the ball, and did a good job tracking back when needed. Now he just looks like total shit. Neither of us know if he has an issue with fighting for his place, but I can see how he would feel pretty put-out with his treatment this season. Duff quite clearly was misfiring - if we can see that, N'Zogbia can see it, and Roeder should have seen it - and yet N'Zogbia doesn't get a look-in. Now you can talk about competitive spirit and fighting for your place all you like, but there comes a point when he must have been left scratching his head wondering just how badly Duff needed to play for him to get a game. He's pretty much been frozen out of the first team, for whatever reason since Duff arrived. Canny demoralising, and he went from being someone who sent a buzz around SJP when he picked the ball up (that's not an exaggeration btw) to what we see now. I doubt that's all down to the player tbh.