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Hey kids, what's going on here???? Go away for a bit and all hell breaks loose. By the way your worst fears have been realised. Collymore linked to Newcastle! Collymore linked with Newcastle

As much as I like Idlewild how the fuck do they come in at no.3 and JMC at 19? Proclaimers at 10 and no Yatsura? The hibby vote must of been high.

Not what David Byrne would say about that album. Stop Making sense is the definitive live album and is also the definitive live concert video. 182581[/snapback] Are you claiming that is the defintive live album or the defintive live album by the Talking Heads. If its the latter fair enough but the former would be a bit of a stretch 182590[/snapback] Definitive live concert video. Its the whole package from the meticulous build up of imagery with every set shot in Demme's film carefully sketched out before hand and his desire to give the sound production a new edge. You could argue that musically The name of the band is better but that would be like trying to force a rizla paper into my crack hole using tension alone. They are both great. By the way if anyone has a vinyl copy of More song about buildings would be interested. 182638[/snapback] The thing about Stop Making Sense is it is a drama as much as live concert. Demme shot it as he would one of his features, starting slowly and building to a climax in the plot - finishing with a resolutuion. It's not like a standard live program. If you just look at the direction of cinematography, the cameras move, changing shot constantly, where as if you look at a general live concert production or even a live tv music production the cameras are generally static and the movement is in the changing of cameras and thus angle. Then you have the building of the band, the plot and its' cronological progression of music and characters! As for which is better Django Reinhardt is correct The Name of the band is a far better account of talking heads live but it also misses out on the whole Speaking in tongues transition of the band. Stop making Sense is a film relying on its' mise-en-scene and plot progression which is lost in the music only release vinyl/cd/tape, if you have seen the film then you can get the album otherwise it is just another live release. As for the original question, the answer could be any of their albums prior to Little creatures which was the beginning of the end for the band, although the often overlooked Naked was a bit of a return to form. People talk about the effect Brian Eno had on U2 but his work with Talking Heads was what marked his career as a producer and Byrne often referred to him as the 5th band member between More songs... and Remaining in the Light to the chagrin of the other four members. It's interesting because if you look at the period after Remining in the light when the band all but broke up, all four members produced amazing but completely different solo projects, Byrne with Eno My life in the bush of ghosts, Byrne by himself The soundtrack to the Catherine Wheel and later the tuba solo inspired Songs for the Knee plays, even his vocals/lyrics for Robert Fripps God Save the Queen/Under Heavy Manners all showed the diversity of Byrne. But it was the work of Weymouth and Fantz with the Tom Tom clubs' first two albums, Tom tom club and Close to the bone that changed the sound of talking heads for their next release Speaking in tongues with the now established sound influenced by Weymouth and Frantz's propensity for hip hop/dance rhythms. Chezgiven, I've got a mint original pressing of More songs... but sorry it stays in the collection next to the artist Robert Rauschenberg created plastic envelope package with clear discs that could spin around for Speaking in tongues and a host of picture discs and limited addition 12' remixes they released.

Darn straight - white ink (yes it does exist!)

Best I can do. bbc text commentary

That's brock provided with wank material for the next month then.

I maybe old hips but I'd much rather give them hell!

He's awsome on lead

And 90k a week. But as no-one has offered for him, allegedly, then why the fuck not. As for the sauce comment, can't stand sauce, give me a good mustard anyday.

Yeah yeah, I said I know this. I suppose my arguement, about all I've mentioned, really is about newcastle's lack of timing in all the important thing. Gemmill you said it yourself in the transfer window for dummies, comments. I'm pointing out the other side, the how certain transfers affect the team and players within it.

So why the hell aren't we in for him? We need a defender, he's a defender. We need another CB, he's a CB. We need cover for LB, he can play LB. So? Perfect opportunity for us to loan a player witha view to purchase. Bet he goes to one of the clubs we are trying to lump Boumsong with.

Gemmill that's the first positive thing you've written in weeks but I think although you maybe right, the club is going about it in the wrong way. And hopefully Charlie won't look at it in the same way I can see it. I did say the term selling club was wrong and yes I know Ginola wanted to go but Sir Les didn't. 179986[/snapback] What way are we going about it that needs changing? What way are you seeing things? We can't have just one left winger at the club. These lads have been brought up through youth systems and in squad environments where there was always competition for places. It'll be no surprise to N'Zogbia to be in a position of having to fight for a place. It'll be like that at any club he might leave us for as well. 179991[/snapback] Gemmill, you do your job. You think you are doing it well because all your colleagues tell you how good you are doing. Your clients think you are great as you provide them with exactly what they want but your young and upcoming. Then one day your boss hires someone else, someone who does your exact job. You know there isn't enough work for two people with the same set of skills but they hire them anyway. He's older. You know he will want more respect from your boss. How do you feel? Yes, yes I know professional football is different. But if you are on the up, and there is no doubt N'Zogbia is on the up, and another player, not a squad player, is signed because he is a bargain, because he's publically stated he "wants first team football," how do you react, what do you think the manager's opinion of you is?

Of course, how stupid of me, what with English being my second language it's no wonder you can't understand! It's late, I'm tired. You can all fook off.

How are we a selling club then Sammy? 179972[/snapback] I said earlier: Pedro 1987, Waddle, Gazza, Cole, Sir Les, Ginola and in more recent times the bargain "trouble makers." Ok selling club was the wrong term but the club has a 25 year history of selling players at the wrong time and/or for the wrong reasons. Don't you think Roeder would give his left nut for a striker of Bellamy's calibre at the moment? 179978[/snapback] That's a different argument to the point you were making though. You should have said that instead of saying we are a selling club 179984[/snapback]

Gemmill that's the first positive thing you've written in weeks but I think although you maybe right, the club is going about it in the wrong way. And hopefully Charlie won't look at it in the same way I can see it. I did say the term selling club was wrong and yes I know Ginola wanted to go but Sir Les didn't.

How are we a selling club then Sammy? 179972[/snapback] I said earlier: Pedro 1987, Waddle, Gazza, Cole, Sir Les, Ginola and in more recent times the bargain "trouble makers." Ok selling club was the wrong term but the club has a 25 year history of selling players at the wrong time and/or for the wrong reasons. Don't you think Roeder would give his left nut for a striker of Bellamy's calibre at the moment?

Thanks Scotty but I've caught a case of your enthusiasm for the current plight and the FACT is I just want people to see the FACTS, actually can anyone refute them??? Or are they as I stated FACT? 179963[/snapback] They're pretty much all either your opinion and possibly true or your opinion and utter shite. None of them are facts. FACT! 179964[/snapback] Alex, it's my arse and I want to show it. (Hefe weiBbier what can I say it brings clarity.)

Try reading it in context to Alex's agreeing with your speculation. Still doesn't work, read it slower. You, like Alex and Gemmill and me are merely speculating on what is happening within the club because "we really don't know". Now your specualtion that Duff was bought because N'Zogbia is refusing to sign a new contract is just that, speculating. Alex's reply actually puts what you said into context" That help? Oh Gemmill but we are, unfortunately the club likes to think of itself as an everythings a pound type shop.

Thanks Scotty but I've caught a case of your enthusiasm for the current plight and the FACT is I just want people to see the FACTS, actually can anyone refute them??? Or are they as I stated FACT?

Fair do's. I agree with that. 179947[/snapback] Agree with what, another person who no association with the club speculation? Fuck we are gullible. It's almost as if we are trying the CM policy of don't play him and then that club that is scouting him won't bother because he's obviously not good enough for their starting 11. FACT! Newcastle United have no transfer policy. FACT! FACT! (Sorry leaze) The man in charge thinks he can run the club like his scrap yard and that he is doing others a favour for "taking it off your hands." FACT! FACT! The club doesn't learn from experience. FACT! FACT! In the last 25 years when we get a half decent, young creative midfielder with a future ahead of them, we let them go to another club instead of fighting tooth and nail to keep them and exploit their talents for our club! FACT! FACT! We are a selling club and for all the wrong reasons and never to the benefit of Newcastle's future. FACT!

Sorry FS but fuck off, that's the mentality that has go the club into trouble before. Offer Charlie a higher wage and keep him, don't buy his replacement and move him to the bench. I posed the question in another thread last week, when was the last time the club kept a player for the most prolific part of their career? And Shearer doesn't count as he came home later in his career. Newcastle probably more than any other top flight club in England needs a "darling." Hughie, wor Jackie, Pedro, big Al all define periods in the club, not always successful trophy filled times, but definitely good times. And in N'Zogbia we are looking at a player that can change a game and he is only 20/21! He could be Newcastle's Cantona or Henry or he could just turn out to be the next Nobby but wouldn't you rather fight to keep him at the club then buy his "bargain" replacement and force him away?

Well a couple of weeks with Dyer and he'd be back to fighting weight.

What if we only had £10m though? Only an idiot would blow half of it then surely. 179919[/snapback] No, everyone one knows a good scrap merchant buys a bargain because one day, one day someone might just need that specific product you bought and then you're gunna make millions! Steptoe anyone?

Spuds decided not to purchase him, so he will be a combination of well pissed and trying to prove a point and "available." The other thing that bothers me is if the club is skint why won't they swallow some pride and actually go the loan with an option to buy players? I said it in another thread, pierced girls - oh sorry wrong topic, the fat man really thinks running a football club is like buying a run oot model car.

The club should have turned to Jimbo for help.