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Please point me toward any post from anybody anywhere at anytime who reckons that FS has good football knowledge. We all know he's made mistakes appointing managers, so you won't find any, of course. This means that these sheep you mention are a figment of your imagination. Either that or you're just an outright liar trying to stir shit, like. How is FS a c**t for appointing managers who, in hindsight, proved to be the wrong choices? I'm not the only one asking this and it's a sensible question that appears to have many of you stumped. If you were around when KK left, did you or did you not believe Dalglish was a good choice by FS? That simple question goes to... Craig Renton Choco Gemmill LP SLP

As I have stated elsewhere, sticking your hand in your pocket doesn't automatically make you a good chairman. From a financial point of view, Shepherd is a top-class chairman. He provides funds yet ensures that the club maintains a decent financial state. From a footballing point of view (i.e. resource management) I think he's absolutely hopeless! 66085[/snapback] Which is what I said earlier on. So what are you arguing about or is it just something you feel you have to do?

Totally irrelevant questions, tbh. What are you getting at? What are you trying to prove here? I think it's important for a Chairman to back a manager 100%. I think that's been made clear to almost everybody. I'm pissed off that FS appointed the most incompetent manager the club has had in my lifetime. I'm pissed off that he backed him when Souness put his ego before the club by getting rid of our best player, but the fact is, FS is doing his job by backing the manager. End of. This means he's a good Chairman, not a bad one. It also means that Souness is a shit manager, shame it took some people too long to realise it. 66065[/snapback] Might be irrelevant to you - they're not to me, hence why I've asked them What I'm trying to get at, is that Freddy Shepherd is entirely responsible for Graeme Souness being here, he's the only man who can actually bring the Souness era to an end yet he chooses not to do so. He's also the man who ultimately could have ensured CB stayed at SJP if he felt like it. Now it seems that LM (and yourself for that matter) seems to think the sun shines out of his fat arse, so what I'm trying to determine is how you can think that when he is ultimately responsible for the one man who boils your piss day in, day out.... And since when was the chairman's only repsonsibility to provide money? 66067[/snapback] Sun shines out of his arse? That's nonsense, Craig. That should have obvious by the post earlier in this thread, where I put down my thoughts about FS's limited ability when selecting managers. Your comment shows selective reading, mate. You should stop the attempted point scoring, any debate would then be more interesting, don't you agree? Irrelevant might be the wrong word I was looking for, so sorry about that. I said irrelevant because of the way you phrased your questions, can't think of the right word to use but here's why I said it. It's obvious you aren't really interested in the answers. You're trying to worm some kind of statement out of somebody to spin in order to suit some point you're trying to make. You don't need to try to worm that statement out of anybody. We all know FS appoints the managers and most would think he hasn't done a good job at it. Mind you, as has been said and also selectively skipped over, most of that is hindsight except for Souness, who some knew from the start was incompetent. What you're saying would be "relevant" ( for want of that better word ) if you simply stated what you thought of FS and then asked a related question.

Totally irrelevant questions, tbh. What are you getting at? What are you trying to prove here? I think it's important for a Chairman to back a manager 100%. I think that's been made clear to almost everybody. I'm pissed off that FS appointed the most incompetent manager the club has had in my lifetime. I'm pissed off that he backed him when Souness put his ego before the club by getting rid of our best player, but the fact is, FS is doing his job by backing the manager. End of. This means he's a good Chairman, not a bad one. It also means that Souness is a shit manager, shame it took some people too long to realise it.

Gemmill Why don't you answer the question you were asked? Did you know that Gullit and Dalglish would be poor appointments by FS, or did you praise him at the time? Simple question, mate. My view on FS is this.... All a manager can wish from a Chairman is his full support. For us fans, that's all we should expect from a Chairman. He should support that manager through thick and thin up until the day the manager leaves the club. That is what FS does and in this aspect he is a good Chairman. Where he isn't so good is in his choice of manager, all bar Robson being shite BUT, as implied earlier in the thread, I doubt anybody thought Gullit and Dalglish would be shite, these were good choices by FS at the time they were made. Something I've banged on about in the past is that the thing FS is poor at is the way he appears to select managers based on one characteristic. The team was perceived as needing a bit of a tactical tweak on the defensive side of things when KK was here, so he appointed Dalglish. He messed it up big style like Souness is doing right now and we became boring and shite, so he went for Gullit in the hope of bringing back more entertaining football. That didn't work for various reasons that I don't want to go into because some will use it to deflect away from my main points about FS. He then went for Robson, a man appointed probably for more than one characteristic and who is the best he's appointed ( no coincidence ). In the end, when Robson lost the dressing room and they were apparently off the rails, FS brought in the shithead we have right now and he selected him for the one charactistic, it can't have been based on any managerial talent, that's for sure. I think FS is a good Chairman overall, who is bothered about the club and actually does try to do the best thing for the club by backing all of his managers. He just appears to be very poor at selecting managers.

As has been said many times before, I don't back Souness. I did say give him time because everyone needs time to prove themselves. He has proved that he's shite and therefore he must go. You'll say I've said "give him time" for too long. I think he needed to have the chance to build his own team over the summer and show what he can do with the players he brings in. He's had that chance now and blown it. But you're wrong to say that by definition I believe he will be successful - 'hope' is a much more accurate word. Back his actions? There's only a handful of actions he's done that I agree with: Sell Bellamy Sell Robert Buy Owen Buy Luque Buy Parker Buy Emre Buy Solano The rest, I don't back or agree with.. 65623[/snapback] As has been said before, we actually needed one striker and some defenders when Souness arrived. Doesn't matter that these may be decent individual players, he signed the wrong ones. Even if they were the right ones, the incompetent fool can't manage them properly.

Don't rate Burley myself. Better than Souness but then who isn't? I'll feel pretty subdued about it should Burley be a replacement for shithead.

Taking that into account, I put it to you that had Keegan been the manager that day at Charlton last season, he'd have reacted along the same lines as Souness did. The main difference between two incidents is undeniably the player. Beresford showed remorse, apologised immediately and then publically and overall, knew he was in the wrong. Bellamy to this day will think he was right and justified - he wasn't. Whatever we think of Souness, and yes I can stand the bloke - he deserves the respect of his players and if they don't offer that, they deserve to suffer the consequences. 64714[/snapback] Only 2 things. The incident you mention relating to Dyer is worse than anything Bellamy did. Second, Souness doesn't deserve any respect from the players, he has to earn it.

All that means is you've been taken in by the Souness propaganda machine. Sad really. What did you think of Bellamy prior to the arrival of Souness? Did you rate him? Did you see him as the catalyst ( along with Robert ) for the progress the team made under Robson when we became a top 6 side for 3 seasons? At the end of the day, the only thing Bellamy did ( 'wrong' in some people's opinion ) was to realise quite early on that Souness was a wanker........and say so. For me, there's nowt wrong with that. It's a shame he wasn't tough enough to give the incompetent fool a good kicking, the papers would have made a meal of it of course, and the self righteous pricks would have slagged Bellamy off. But I'd have loved it, just loved it, and so would many others because many of us know that Bellamy was right, and we've known it all along.

I agree.

Because of the insecurity of their jobs, most managers now (with the help of the LMA) have language in their contracts that guarantees them a certain amount of money over the course of their deal. If they are sacked before their total wages reach that amount, the club must pay the difference. It's not technically "severance." 64555[/snapback] Translated through my Happy brain that read... 64572[/snapback]

And just imagine what this place'd be like if we got Craig Bellamy back and the same thing happened... 64544[/snapback] It would be fascinating to see how many people suddenly think he's great again should Bellamy come back. I think there would be a lot of people ( liars ) around making out they never said a bad word about him, anarl. But none of that is a reason to bring him back like. The reason to bring him back is because he's a top player and he'd make a massive difference to the team. Owen and Bellamy up front....looks pretty sound to me and a damn sight better than any combination we can put out right now.

Jesus Wept

Keegan has left every club he's managed in a better state when he left than when he joined. That's a fact. If he came back he'd be a massive improvement over Souness.

Playing on the right of a 4 doesn't mean you're an orthodox winger. I'm also not sure what the point is in Solano hugging the touchline and chucking crosses in anyway if there's nobody likely to be on the end of it. Ameobi is shit in the air and Shearer is well past it.

Frankly, I'm tired of this being rolled out as a reason to keep Souness. There is no reason to keep a shite manager, the club just goes backwards. There are plenty of people who could come in and do a better job than this idiot. For instance, I think BL could do a better job. Has managed in the top flight and does well everywhere he goes. Unlucky in his last PL job.

What has Allardyce done at Bolton that Souness didn't do at Blackburn? Don't think he'd be an improvement in the slightest. 63994[/snapback] I don't particularly rate Allardyce either, and wouldn't appoint him if it was my choice. However, he must be better than Souness if only because he doesn't generally go around alienating his best players to satisfy a massive ego. I think he puts his club before himself, which is something Souness is unable to even contemplate.

I suppose we could score 3 or 4, we've had all the luck on the day in some other matches and scored 3 against a few other shite teams, so owt is possible. Today could go either way, two crap teams under pressure. I think we'll lose by a couple of goals. I can't see what the outcome of todays match has to do with Souness staying or going though. FS must know by now that he's appointed a complete plank as manager. I think Souness will be sacked anyway. That's me being optimistic, btw. I wait for the day I can put a post on here saying, "thank fuck he's gone".

Which if you read further on the rumours page will result in Souness getting the push... A draw it is then! 63904[/snapback] They score first, Souness gets abuse, we equalise late on, Freddie peddles him, Roeder & Shearer take temporary charge (Cos freddie thinks thats we want it and we cant move on till he's tried it), we bumble along, we avoid relegation, Freddie starts looking again, We Start next season with our 6th choice, Come December 2006 I post this again but change the names!! 63915[/snapback] You're right unfortunately. I think Freddie is to blame tbh 63917[/snapback] No, you don't.

Which if you read further on the rumours page will result in Souness getting the push... A draw it is then! 63904[/snapback] They score first, Souness gets abuse, we equalise late on, Freddie peddles him, Roeder & Shearer take temporary charge (Cos freddie thinks thats we want it and we cant move on till he's tried it), we bumble along, we avoid relegation, Freddie starts looking again, We Start next season with our 6th choice, Come December 2006 I post this again but change the names!! 63915[/snapback] Wondering what makes you think this is par for the course. We've had a good team while FS has been Chairman. Have you forgotten?

I wouldn't appoint Allardyce, tbh.

And the players, which is the important thing.

I'm waiting for the "nah lads i'm just taking the piss" followed by lots of white space and a tbh. 63870[/snapback] I'd be well chuffed if Souness was sacked immediately and Keegan brought in as his replacement. There are no certainties ( how many thought Dalglish and then Gullit were decent managers when they were initially appointed ? ) but I'd wager that Keegan would get more from the current players than the incompetent fool currently in charge.

Wow yes, the performance lastnight really showed how he can man-manage ! 63584[/snapback] Do you not think the way he has organised Nolberto Solano is paying off? 63586[/snapback] What's with all the piss-take comments these days by the way? Well done on getting the bite though. 63587[/snapback] No point in complaining is there, nothing I can do about it. 63589[/snapback] Ok. Good point. In fact, none of us can do fuck all so let's all stop moaning. FS can believe that we all think Souness is great until he totally destroys the club and then we've got fuck all to moan about anyway.

I actually agree with you after last night 63601[/snapback]