Gejon

Don't really care about the proportions its still 54 lives. Why should one person die a week so people can enjoy a fag with a pint? If people going outside for a fag saves 54 people a year then its a very good thing.

Just 54 lives, not really worth it is it? For the effect it will have on a sizebale amount of the population for just 0.0009% Hardly seems proportionate does it? The having to stand outside effect? Those poor smokers!

Just 54 lives, not really worth it is it?

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Well YOU should go somewhere that doesn't allow smoking then! [/selfish smoker] have you ever tried to have a pint in Tescos? they go mad No just a wank but that didn't go down too well either!

Well YOU should go somewhere that doesn't allow smoking then! [/selfish smoker]

No-one should be banned but you shouldn't make stupid bets like that in the first place This thread does deserve to be Gold'd though

Tax on tobacco raises £10.5bn a year, NHS expenditure on smoking related illnesses is £1.7bn, those figures come from an anti-smoking website. http://www.ash.org.uk/html/smuggling/html/whytax99.html The argument that smokers cost the NHS money is a false one. Yeah but surely there is no compensation on earth for smelly clothes. Some don't mind smelling like an ashtray, a lot do

Tax on tobacco raises £10.5bn a year, NHS expenditure on smoking related illnesses is £1.7bn, those figures come from an anti-smoking website. http://www.ash.org.uk/html/smuggling/html/whytax99.html The argument that smokers cost the NHS money is a false one. Cheers. Still wouldn't hope that people still smoked so it saves me a bit of money. Anyway I am sure they will just lump even more cost onto drivers

See there you go again. You make summat up in your head and then pretend it's what people are saying. Whoever hired them I'd be asking for me money back. Suppose its better than just making stuff up in your head Parky

What you assume I said is clearly not what I said that much is clear. In the general population who lives longer on average smokers or non-smokers? Be careful. Not really. I would say (at a guess) smokers probably like longer, would like to know who cost the NHS more money though. Smokers who are in and out for various smoking related illnesses or those who don't smoke and live that bit longer.

Gordon Brown hiring Asians to drive into airports, what next!

Me make things up? Thats a bit rich isn't it Parklife?

People don't go to Tesco to relax and have a good time, they go there to shop, people do go to the pub to have a smoke and a drink, it's socially accepted. I know a lot of people who don't go to the pub to smoke and are very happy that soon there wont be others around them doing it. As long as you're all happy when you have to pick up the shortfall in the tax revenue. Not working from any stats or anything here but if smoking does drop enough to have an effect on tax revenue then I would guess there would also be an effect on smokers using up NHS resources? ....and here's the twist...Smokers DIE they don't hang around for years sucking up state funds in pensions, healthcare or whatever... So smokers don't cost the NHS anything, they are healthy their whole lives and one day just drop dead? Try reading. I did, healthcare thing still applies.

People don't go to Tesco to relax and have a good time, they go there to shop, people do go to the pub to have a smoke and a drink, it's socially accepted. I know a lot of people who don't go to the pub to smoke and are very happy that soon there wont be others around them doing it. As long as you're all happy when you have to pick up the shortfall in the tax revenue. Not working from any stats or anything here but if smoking does drop enough to have an effect on tax revenue then I would guess there would also be an effect on smokers using up NHS resources? ....and here's the twist...Smokers DIE they don't hang around for years sucking up state funds in pensions, healthcare or whatever... So smokers don't cost the NHS anything, they are healthy their whole lives and one day just drop dead?

People don't go to Tesco to relax and have a good time, they go there to shop, people do go to the pub to have a smoke and a drink, it's socially accepted. I know a lot of people who don't go to the pub to smoke and are very happy that soon there wont be others around them doing it. As long as you're all happy when you have to pick up the shortfall in the tax revenue. Not working from any stats or anything here but if smoking does drop enough to have an effect on tax revenue then I would guess there would also be an effect on smokers using up NHS resources?

People don't go to Tesco to relax and have a good time, they go there to shop, people do go to the pub to have a smoke and a drink, it's socially accepted. I know a lot of people who don't go to the pub to smoke and are very happy that soon there wont be others around them doing it.

When is the last time people felt so strongly against something they did something about it and actually made a difference? People feel strongly about lots of different things but rarely do they ever do something about it. I think its fair to say that a lot of people (especially non-smokers) though are very happy about this new law coming in.

If you haven't been a smoker then you perhaps don't realise how satisfying it is to sit down with a fag and a pint, it adds to the pub experience. Thankfully I don't know how great it is. As a non smoker I do know how shit it is to have some selfish prat blowing smoke in your face though. My fault though, if I go to pubs I should expect and accept this sort of thing happening.

It used to be ok (well a little more acceptable) to call a black person a "nigger", things change. In this day and age I don't see what the problem is with making the workplace a more comfortable place to work, especially if it is a measure that is also going to have a positive effect on someones health. I think its arrogant to expect people to go and work somewhere else if the job they enjoy doing (and want to do) can cause health problems. Is it really THAT difficult for a smoker to go outside?

Why can't smokers just fuck off outside and have their much needed fag? Maybe people like the idea of barwork, the banter with customers, not stacking shelves all day, sitting behind a desk or sitting on a till for 7 hours a day. But if they wish to do this job they should have to put up with someone elses habit because they knew about it before they took the job? I don't think its fair. Also from a selfish* point of view, I am also very happy I wont have to put up with smoke aswell. I will be able to go out and come home not stinking of fags. *I say selfish but then its not me who has the habit that infringes on others.

Well why can't they find a job in a supermarket, restaurant or any other sort of non-smokey environment, working in a bar is hardly a vocation. So THEY should have to find somewhere else to work because of what others choose to do OR the smokers could go and smoke outside... Nah definitely seems more fair to make someone who possibly enjoys their job to go and find a different vocation, something they might not wont enjoy as much so someone can enjoy their filthy habit.

What if people actually want to work in a bar but don't want to have to put up with the smoke and potential health problems? Fuck them, they know the risks... Doesn't seem fair to me.

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I don't really see what anyone would have against it apart from the "the Government are going to force us to do xxxxx next" theory.