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One shot should suffice, ammo costs money you know

Cheers Gents will ask Tooj for some info.

Cheers, how's the android box work, do you just buy one and away it goes ??

What sites etc. do you use to get to watch this leaked stuff ???

Some people just like to go out, have a few beers, watch a game of football and have a good old fashioned vent.

Aye OK, keep chasing those moonbeams and war chests

What exactly has he said there that's rubbish ?? Did you read Murray's statement, if you want laughable that was it. All the old boards fault That would be the old board that had a NOMAD and a listing on the stock exchange. Good luck with the glib and shameless one, you'll need it I reckon. Try this one - nailed it: https://rangerssupportersloyal.wordpress.com/2015/04/03/delistings-debacles-and-endgames/

https://rangerssupportersloyal.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/spin-bluster-and-hype/ A good read

He's the 100% owner, he doesn't need any stranglehold more than that fact to do whatever he wants.

Admittedly I do find their predicament interesting.

Certainly not me.

Not my words, Rangers fans words, read the thread I posted. They were cratering into January. If in January you had said to Rangers, would you pay us £500K to get promoted and it's only payable if you do go up, they'd have snapped your hand off.

I'm trying to de-spin it. They'd have coasted the leagues IF they'd built with kids from the old 4th tier. Fast forward to January, they needed new players, they were plummeting and have bugger all in terms of kids on the books, but they had no money so couldn't have signed anyone. Even though Vukic is the only one to have played it's made a positive difference. IF they get promoted £500K will be well worth it, Vukic has made a huge difference to them: http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?s=007fda8ba7d828c4681929dd16dc62d5&showtopic=281553 Without Ashley's influence, would we loan any players to a team for potentially free ??? I doubt it. They only pay if they go up.

If he hadn't been in the team they wouldn't have picked up the points they have, he's been far and away their best player when he's been on the park. Half a million IF it gets them promoted is well worth it (to them). Streete played first game but got crocked, that's not our fault. They needed some refresh of players, they were in a tailspin and couldn't have afforded any without the influence from Ashley. Their youth set up is all but gone, under the old boards, pre-Ashley's influence, they have virtually no-one coming through. Their HUGE error was to pay top wages(second only to Celtic in all of Scotland) when they were in the 4th tier to journeymen to coast the leagues. They should have played/built with younger players when they were playing postmen and fishermen(they could have afforded the best kids). They would still have coasted the lower leagues. Shit, look at Hearts virtually all kids and have walked the Championship. Evidently on Bigi (according to some), he could play in England but not allowed to in Scotland, don't know the rule because don't know what he's got. Simple fact is, this is spin from the "new" board, it's not even relevant to the financial period that's being reported. It's down to interpretation, Rangers needed players, they couldn't afford any by themselves, without the undue influence they wouldn't have got any. Story could quite easily be run as: NUFC loan Rangers players and defer loan fees so they're only payable on promotion - That is doing a favour. We should be more upset the loan fees have been deferred, NUFC could lose out on those amounts and loan fees are certainly "normal".

Rangers couldn't have afforded any loan players and certainly not loan fee's. Without Vukic's goals they'd be lucky to be in 4th never mind current joint 2nd. This is like deferred loan fees contingent on promotion, it's a mountain out of a mole hill. We did them a favour (sadly)

Opening the main gate letting in the hordes is still more a cause than closing that tunnel IMO. If they'd sealed/closed that tunnel who can say what the crush outside it would have resulted in. The real cause was the shite organisation and crowd control outside of the ground, that and the fact the cages that fans were standing in had no possible escape route. If there'd been appropriate control outside the ground the pressure at the gate doesn't happen and the tunnel/crush never happens. This guy will now take the hit but it was a huge combination of things, not just one blokes actions or lack thereof, and the root cause is way prior to the tunnel question.

Ok I apologise, just habit, as wherever of late, I post in a discussion with Rangers fans (which doesn't conform/agree with their point of view) often the who do you support thing comes out shortly followed with "you a taig". On the matter in hand, King is barred from taking up a directorship, by law, because he was (irrespective or circumstance) a director of the old liquidated company within 12 months of it's liquidation, if he takes his directorship without clearance from a Judge, he is committing a criminal (not stock market) offence. It also would potentially open the avenue for HMRC/BDO etc. to consider Rangers a phoenix company and chase it for oldco's debts. He may have been kept "in the dark" and have evidence to prove it BUT he failed in his duty as a director by not raising it with the relevant authorities at the time, saying "I didn't know and was kept out of the loop" will do him no favours, because as a director his responsibility would have been to ring the alarm bells when that situation was playing out. Similarly he can't just invest in the background and use Murray as his proxy as that would make him a shadow director if he is seen to have influence. Operating as a shadow director is also a criminal offence. He's a lot of hurdles to clear before he could join the board. Even if a NOMAD clears him, he needs petition a court, to get permission from a Judge, to join the board. Notice how he's gone from "we'll raise £millions in a share issue to, within hours of getting control, my preference would be for the shares to be delisted". He seems to me to be making it up as he goes along IMO. On the retail thing, all the publicity was around Rangers only get x pence from every £10 spent and the costs (in the retail companies accounts) had shot up, which everyone interpreted as SD milking/ripping off the club/fans. BUT (big but) the bit that wasn't reported heavily or even noticed, as far as I can see, was that the actual profit generated by Rangers Retail had doubled from the previous year. There was a newspaper article which was summarising those results and it was all slanted as "Ashley fucks over Rangers" based on the cost base etc. it could have easily been written as "Ashley doubles Rangers Retail profits". Rangers is being bled dry by onerous contracts, but when they are spending way more than they earn, I personally can't think of a better person than Llambias the grade A bastard, to sort that, sometimes you need a grade A bastard. King was on Murray's board, Murray was the architect of Rangers demise, not Craig White/Charles Green, Murray (and his board) created the insolvent situation that allowed the vultures to gather.

You think I'm a taig, because I post a contrary view No I'm not a taig. My grandfather was a Rangers ST holder and a member of the orange lodge for that matter, neither thing I am proud of btw. I get similar shit on here because Ashley doesn't piss me off enough. I know the terms because I've followed the saga since the start (even before the start in truth) because I think insolvency rules/laws, when it comes to football, are beyond corrupt and I pray for the day that a club goes bust and it fucks off forever. Probably because I've been a creditor (a 6 figure creditor) in a (none football) liquidation and got fuck all, the business that screwed my business, and many others, never came back though. I genuinely feel for football's creditors though, they get fucked over and next thing it's like nothing happened. Pisses me off no end. If I have a soft spot, it is for Hearts, based on nothing more than a lads (old codgers these days) day out on the hoy in Edinburgh every couple of years, and taking time out from the drinking to watch a game of football and have made some Hearts friends through that. The SFA will waive DK straight through IMO, let's face it Campbell Ogilvie (EBT recipient) is on the board. The Stock Market/Companies house/the law etc. may not be so forgiving as King was on Rangers board within 12 months of when they went into liquidation, without the leave from a judge, it is illegal for him to be a director of a company with the same, or similar, name for 5 years. (That's why he's paused assuming his seat on the board).

That contract with the PR firm is a tiny one compared to some of the others that are in place, Rangers are losing £6-£8 Mill a year and their wages to turnover ratio is only around 50% I believe, which is very respectable, so players/staff ain't the problem. It's the onerous contracts bleeding the club dry and I'd bet they are watertight. The problem with the so called fans boycott is that many who stayed away had already paid for their season tickets so that money has been spent ages ago, them re-taking their seats won't help much. Indeed it may have the opposite effect, there is rumoured to be one of the onerous contracts in place that has a bonus clause which is triggered when crowds are over a certain number. £20 Mill won't touch the sides over the next couple of years. Whatever happens, Ashley controls retail for the next 2-3 years and any boycott of merchandise will only hurt the club further as it is evidently liable for unsold stock. Fans buy the shirts club get a share of the income, don't buy the shirts the club pays for the shirts at RRP. And don't forget what happened last time King and Mini-Murray were in charge. (the 276 stiffed creditors certainly won't have).

Many battles to come I reckon, until bought out(and we know that'll be on his terms) he still controls the revenue streams outside of matchday income and has first call on the assets and IP. Today is just another day in the madhouse that is 2nd Rangers. P.S. The van More free publicity

No we shouldn't, nuclear bombs dropped from aircraft is so WW2.

Is this a discussion board or a "comedy" points scoring board ??? If the latter all should adjourn to Skunkers at least you can threaten death (in novel and inventive ways) over there.

Due to the EBT's Rangers had been underpaying PAYE/NI for many years, the assessment of withheld/unpaid tax was for around £14/£16 Million (I forget exactly). That sum was accepted and agreed by Rangers (Murray) but then HMRC imposed cumulative and punitive penalties onto that sum of about £25 Million, due to the duration of time of the original offence (around this time several English clubs notably, us and Chelsea iirc, coughed up sums related to EBT's to HMRC to avoid punitive penalties). Rangers appealed the level of the penalties (the additional £25Mill) but not the assessment of unpaid tax. This appeal was in motion when Administration happened and as such the whole liability of the assessed sum PLUS the penalties had to be accounted for as a liability by the Administration process. Even if the appeal had been heard, and won, before the Administration event, the amount due on the agreed liability (the £14-£16 Mill) would still have made HMRC the major creditor and they would still have denied the CVA and liquidation would have been exactly the same as it was. In regard to the £20 Mill Dave King is supposed to be owed, if he had put in his claim before the CVA he could have effected the outcome of that CVA vote, as his £20Mill plus other creditors could likely have outvoted HMRC, but he didn't, he waited until after the CVA to add his claim to the pot, and he even campaigned for fans NOT to support the CVA, he absolutely wanted the liquidation to happen (maybe thinking he could be rid of all the debt and his mates "the Blue Knights" could pick everything back up for peanuts, obviously not realising it was already stitched up by Charlie Green etc.) The sale of assets out of the liquidation is definitely dodgy as fuck, BUT that liquidation was inevitable with or without the appeal against HMRC. Strangely the one person who could have actually made a difference to that is Mr Dave King. On the subject of the EBT's Souness got a payment via EBT from Rangers for about £100K whilst he as our manager, around the time we bought Boumsong, obviously everything was above board though!!!

That HMRC bit is simply not true.