Toonpack

Presumably with Ashley's debt the club has a bit less control over when it gets paid off. For instance if there was 35 mill lying around in a bank account, Ashley could demand the cash rather than it being used say to buy a new striker. Assuming his debt was repayable on demand of course. Nope, a bank could take all of the money at any time it liked (as Barclays all but did once in the late 80's) if Ashley increases the debt in the club to pay himself back all he would be doing is creating losses which he himself would be liable for or at least have to cover. Your statement forgets that Ashley as the single owner with no shareholders, to all intents and purposes, is the club. If he's recovering money, it would be by reducing the debt the club owes to him from the operating subsidies he's put in, which based upon the lack of spend this window, may be exactly what he's doing. Recovery of the £130-odd Million would come when and if the club is sold again.

so now we have the Toonpacks, Newcastle Online posters and skunkers posters saying "give him until 2015" etc etc etc.... Please supply that link

Leverage buyouts are "OK & legal" in the UK as far as I'm aware, this just makes him a much bigger cunt than we initially thought. If it was a leveraged buy out, which it's not. Ashley is the sole creditor, the holding company is simply a vehicle as Matt states. He bought the club with his own money and holds that debt in the holding company. The Glazers borrowed the money from a bank and then put the debt onto the club (with asssociated interest) so they to all intents and purposes got the club for free. At the end of the NUFC chain the money came out of Ashley's pocket. This is not new information to be honest.

A goalkeeper contributing to a win, whatever hext

Suffice to say, not an apologist, just a realist. Will respond to anything of interest tomorrow when I'll be working from home, am in the smoke just now, new gig. Gloomy used to be a "anybody but Fred" person, just like you man. I still am and I'm right

Suffice to say, not an apologist, just a realist. Will respond to anything of interest tomorrow when I'll be working from home, am in the smoke just now, new gig.

At work, looking from me phone, posting is a pain from the phone btw. And it is definitely ALL about the money.

We wont face many teams who move the ball like the Arse, I thought defensively we were pretty sound. Very encouraging.

White socks are ok with jeans and trainers. Aye but the cunt's got no trainers and he's about to give his jeans away. Non-white socks are a must in that situation. Given the circumstances the dark keggs are sensible though.

Superb CT,

Cameron could make himself PM for life if he could get a law through stating in the face of civil unrest the Polis can use any force they deem necessary.

Perhaps irrelevant but, Police are allowed to shoot if they believe there is a risk to life. But you're right, it's got fuck all to do with the disorder. He was waving a gun around though, wasn't he? I mean I survived the weekend and I think one of the reasons is that I didn't wave a gun around in front of armed police. A friend of his was quoted "he was involved in stuff but he wasn't violent" Tough shit and good fucking riddance.

It's the underclass that has been positively encouraged to breed for the last 30+ years, comming home to roost. Nowt to do with poverty or depredation, throw more money at them and they'll just drink it or smoke it. They've always existed but have been molly coddled for way too long. There's too fucking many of them now and the Police and courts have been neutered.

I hope we've borrowed 10,000 of those coppers from Syria

The tenor of a conversation on Talksport this a.m. was that Llambias was reeled in by Ashley for stating Barton could go for nothing. Nowt to do with "the team" per se, but more along the lines off "what do you think you're doing, letting a £3-£4Mill assett walk for nowt".

According to Spurs accounts they made a cummulative profit on player sales thick end of £130Mill between 2005 and 2010, but I'm sure that website is correct.

Don't forget the payment of carpet tacks that'll become due

I think we are one of the first top division clubs in the last 20 years who are truly living withion our means....with mountains of cash to spare too. If we do manage to stay up next season it will be a small miracle for all the wrong reasons (its more than possible if key players stay fit for most of the season iyam) and will only encourage Ashley to attempt to continue treading water for the next decade or so. Is this why ST prices have been frozen for 10 years?... Apart from Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Man Utd, etc etc

I tend to agree, the bit you've missed is that Freddy just wasn't and isn't rich enough to run the club.

Fucking hell. Got the other 3 to hand? I would guess Lahm, Cole, and obviously Dani Alves. oops missed Alves, nee Lahm on the list mind. List is pre-Carroll/Henderson catapulting into it. 1. Cristiano Ronaldo – Real Madrid – €1.000.000 – €12.000.000 2. Lionel Messi – FC Barcelona – €875.000 – €10.500.000 3. Fernando Torres – Chelsea – €833.000 – €10.000.000 4. Yaya Toure – Manchester City – €833.000- €10.000.000 5. Wayne Rooney – Manchester United – €791.000 – €9.500.000 6. Ricardo Kaka – Real Madrid – €833.000 – €9.000.000 7. Zlatan Ibrahimovic – AC Milan – €833.000 – €9.000.000 8. Emmanuel Adebayor – Real Madrid – €708.000 – €8.500.000 9. Carlos Tevez – Manchester City – €666.000 – €8.000.000 10. Samuel Eto’o – Internazionale – €666.000 – €8.000.000 11. Frank Ribery – Bayern Munich – €666.000 – €8.000.000 12. John Terry – Chelsea – €625.000 – €7.500.000 13. Frank Lampard – Chelsea – €625.000 – €7.500.000 14. Steven Gerrard – Liverpool – €625.000 – €7.500.000 15. Xavi – FC Barcelona – €625.000 – €7.500.000 16. Anders Iniesta – FC Barcelona – €583.000 – €7.000.000 17. David Villa – FC Barcelona – €583.000 – €7.000.000 18. Daniel Alves – FC Barcelona – €583.000 – €7.000.000 19. Edin Dzeko – Manchester City – €541.000 – €6.500.000 20. Rio Ferdinand – Manchester United – €541.000 – €6.500.000 21. Mario Balotelli – Manchester City – €541.000 – €6.500.000 22. Kolo Toure – Manchester City – €541.000 – €6.500.000 23. Ashley Cole – Chelsea – €541.000 ¬- €6.500.000 24. Glenn Johnson – Liverpool – €541.000 – €6.500.000 25. Didier Drogba – Chelsea – €516.000 – €6.200.000 26. Iker Casillas – Real Madrid – €500.000 – €6.000.000 27. Karim Benzema – Real Madrid – €500.000 – €6.000.000 28. Gonzalo Higuain – Real Madrid – €500.000 – €6.000.000 29. Cesc Fabregas – Arsenal – €500.000 – €6.000.000 30. Peter Cech – Chelsea – €500.000 – €6.000.000 31. Gianluigi Buffon – Juventus – 500.000 – €6.000.000 32. Victor Valdez – FC Barcelona – €500.000 – €6.000.000 33. Andrea Pirlo – AC Milan – €500.000 – €6.000.000 34. Frederic Kanoute – Sevilla – €500.000 – €6.000.000 35. Francesco Totti – AS Roma – €458.000 – €5.500.000 36. Patrcik Vieira – Internazionale – €458.000 – €5.500.000 37. Kevin Kuranyi – Dinamo Moscow – €458.000 – €5.500.000 38. Bastian Schweinsteiger – Bayern Munich – €458.000 – €5.500.000 39. Gareth Barry – Manchester City – €458.000 – €5.500.000 40. Arjen Robben – Bayern Munich – €458.000 – €5.500.000 41. Aleksandar Kolarov – Manchester City – €458.000 – €5.500.000 42. Joe Cole – Liverpool – €450.000 – €5.400.000 43. Mesut Ozil – Real Madrid – €416.000 – €5.000.000 44. Sami Khedira – Real Madrid – €416.000 – €5.000.000 45. Michael Ballack – Bayer Leverkusen – €416.000 – €5.000.000 46. Ronaldinho Gaucho – Flamengo – €416.000 – €5.000.000 47. Sergio Aguero – Atletico Madrid – €416.000 – €5.000.000 48. Carles Puyol – FC Barcelona – €416.000 – €5.000.000 49. Luca Toni – Juventus – €416.000 – €5.000.000 50. Lassana Diarra – Real Madrid – €416.000 – €5.000.000 51. Wayne Bridge – Manchester City – €416.000 – €5.000.000 52. Joleon Lescott – Manchester City – €416.000 – €5.000.000 53. Edwin Van der Sar – Manchester United – €416.000 – €5.000.000 54. Patrice Evra – Manchester United – €416.000 – €5.000.000 55. Andy Carroll – Liverpool – €416.000 – €5.000.000 56. Dimitar Berbatov – Manchester United – €400.000 – €4.800.000 57. Andrei Arshavin – Arsenal – €400.000 – €4.800.000 58. Nicolas Anelka – Chelsea – €400.000 – €4.800.000 59. Yoann Goucuff – Olympique Lyon – €400.000 – €4.800.000 60. Ryan Giggs – Manchester United – €400.000 – €4.800.000 61. Daniele De Rossi – AS Roma – €383.000 – €4.600.000 62. Ricardo Carvalho – Real Madrid – €375.000 – €4.500.000 63. Alessandro Nesta – AC Milan – €375.000 – €4.500.000 64. Diego Milito – Internazionale – €375.000 – €4.500.000 65. Júlio César – Internazionale – €375.000 – €4.500.000 66. Matthieu Flamini – AC Milan – €375.000 – €4.500.000 67. David Beckham – LA Galaxy – €375.000 – €4.500.000 68. Gabriel Heinze – Olympique Marseille – €375.000 – €4.500.000 69. Diego Forlan – Atletico Madrid – €375.000 – €4.500.000 70. Paul Scholes – Manchester United – €375.000 – €4.500.000 71. Xabi Alonso – Real Madrid – €375.000 – €4.500.000 72. Jamie Carragher – Liverpool – €375.000 – €4.500.000 73. Robbie Van Persie – Arsenal €375.000 – €4.500.000 74. David Silva – Manchester City – €358.000 – €4.300.000 75. Lucho Gonzalez – Olympique Marseille – €358.000 – €4.300.000 76. Floren Malouda – Chelsea – €358.000 – €4.300.000 77. Craig Bellamy – Cardiff City – €358.000 – €4.300.000 78. Amauri – Juventus – €350.000 – €4.200.000 79. Miroslav Klose – Bayern Munich – €350.000 – €4.200.000 80. Cris – Olympique Lyon – €350.000 – €4.200.000 81. Lisandro Lopez – Olympique Lyon – €341.000 – €4.100.000 82. Raul Gonzalez – Schalke 04 – €333.000 – €4.000.000 83. Mário Gomez – Bayern Munich – €333.000 – €4.000.000 84. Robinho – AC Milan – €333.000 – €4.000.000 85. Alessandro Del Piero – Juventus – €333.000 – €4.000.000 86. Wesley Sneijder – Internazionale – €333.000 – €4.000.000 87. Esteban Cambiasso – Internazionale – €333.000 – €4.000.000 88. Pepe – Real Madrid – €333.000 – €4.000.000 89. Clarence Seedorf – AC Milan – €333.000 – €4.000.000 90. Ruud Van Nistelrooy – Hamburg – €333.000 – €4.000.000 91. Deco – Fluminense – €333.000 – €4.000.000 92. Javier Marcherano – FC Barcelona – €333.000 – €4.000.000 93. Thorsten Frings – Werder Bremen – €333.000 – €4.000.000 94. Nemanja Vidic – Manchester United – €333.000 – €4.000.000 95. Diego – Wolfsburg – €333.000 – €4.000.000 96. André Pierre Gignac – Olympique Marseille – €316.000 – €3.800.000 97. Thierry Henry – New York Red Bulls – €316.000 – €3.800.000 98. Maicon – Internazionale – €316.000 – €3.800.000 99. James Milner – Manchester City – €316.000 – €3.800.000 100. Ji-Sung Park – Manchester United – €316.000 – €3.800.000

There's only 4 fullbacks in the worlds top 100 earners. Maicon is 98th at £65K a week. £50K a week for Enrique should be more than enough.

You cannot possibly be a football fan if you're saying that. What a cunt. You cannot have a brain if you think otherwise. All anyone involved in football thinks about is £££'s all the supporters represent is a few more £££'s given the scale of the TV deals, image rights etc the £££'s those supporters represent is less important. Look at ticket prices man!

I'm sorry but I'm coming to the conclusion that you're a bit of a wanker. Until this announcement, you could buy an away ticket if they hadn't already sold out to ST holders/members first. Now this will not be the case and like L7 last year you'll have to be either a ST holder or a member (£20-£25?) to be there/buy one. What's to like about it? Only someone as yourself could laud it to be honest, unless we have a deep underlying hooligan problem at our away games as Leeds once did and which is why they did the same thing about 1990-ish then I'd say this is jumping on a situation to put one over the support, gain control over who goes to games and puts us in our place with the added attraction of a bit of extra revenue to go into the club. Would you say there's a need for NUFC to do this? (Be honest and don't be a prick, though.) Where the fuck did I laud it" ??? Really. It may not be the "best way" to handle the situation, but the way it's being painted is as some machiavelian money making scam, the mathematics above don't support that, that's all I felt needed pointing out, the issue is blown out of all proportion IMO. Is there a need for the club to do this, I really have no view either way. It's a nothing decision IMO, if they'd said members and ST holders couldn't buy tickets for anyone but themselves and forced anyone else down this route that'd be different. They haven't though, non members can still go so long as the ticket is bought my a member/ST holder. Darlo was a disgrace and it appears mainly caused by non-regulars, this appears the simplest and most cost effective way to get any "non regulars" who want to go away "on the radar" - because the membership scheme already exists. (As pointed out in my first post, setting up something else just wouldn't be viable from either the cost point of view or because of the tiny number of people this actually effects). There's basically no need to do this but it's a 'nothing decision' to you. Fair enough, it's just another one to go with the L7 one where they made it ST/members only before eventually shutting it down. These 'nothing decisions' add up and put the supporter right in their place. A non-ST holder isn't necessarily a non-regular either. When will football supporters realise they are not, and have not been for decades, of any consequence to football. You'll still go as will tens of thousands of others. In the grand scheme of things this is a flea bite. That is and was my only point.

I'm sorry but I'm coming to the conclusion that you're a bit of a wanker. Until this announcement, you could buy an away ticket if they hadn't already sold out to ST holders/members first. Now this will not be the case and like L7 last year you'll have to be either a ST holder or a member (£20-£25?) to be there/buy one. What's to like about it? Only someone as yourself could laud it to be honest, unless we have a deep underlying hooligan problem at our away games as Leeds once did and which is why they did the same thing about 1990-ish then I'd say this is jumping on a situation to put one over the support, gain control over who goes to games and puts us in our place with the added attraction of a bit of extra revenue to go into the club. Would you say there's a need for NUFC to do this? (Be honest and don't be a prick, though.) Where the fuck did I laud it" ??? Really. It may not be the "best way" to handle the situation, but the way it's being painted is as some machiavelian money making scam, the mathematics above don't support that, that's all I felt needed pointing out, the issue is blown out of all proportion IMO. Is there a need for the club to do this, I really have no view either way. It's a nothing decision IMO, if they'd said members and ST holders couldn't buy tickets for anyone but themselves and forced anyone else down this route that'd be different. They haven't though, non members can still go so long as the ticket is bought my a member/ST holder. Darlo was a disgrace and it appears mainly caused by non-regulars, this appears the simplest and most cost effective way to get any "non regulars" who want to go away "on the radar" - because the membership scheme already exists. (As pointed out in my first post, setting up something else just wouldn't be viable from either the cost point of view or because of the tiny number of people this actually effects). They could have just made it so that away tickets can only be bought online. That way they have name an addresses for everyone, along with their seat info, without charging anyone this naughty boy tax. They'd have a billing address and that's all, not necessarily the "person"

I'm sorry but I'm coming to the conclusion that you're a bit of a wanker. Until this announcement, you could buy an away ticket if they hadn't already sold out to ST holders/members first. Now this will not be the case and like L7 last year you'll have to be either a ST holder or a member (£20-£25?) to be there/buy one. What's to like about it? Only someone as yourself could laud it to be honest, unless we have a deep underlying hooligan problem at our away games as Leeds once did and which is why they did the same thing about 1990-ish then I'd say this is jumping on a situation to put one over the support, gain control over who goes to games and puts us in our place with the added attraction of a bit of extra revenue to go into the club. Would you say there's a need for NUFC to do this? (Be honest and don't be a prick, though.) Where the fuck did I laud it" ??? Really. It may not be the "best way" to handle the situation, but the way it's being painted is as some machiavelian money making scam, the mathematics above don't support that, that's all I felt needed pointing out, the issue is blown out of all proportion IMO. Is there a need for the club to do this, I really have no view either way. It's a nothing decision IMO, if they'd said members and ST holders couldn't buy tickets for anyone but themselves and forced anyone else down this route that'd be different. They haven't though, non members can still go so long as the ticket is bought my a member/ST holder. Darlo was a disgrace and it appears mainly caused by non-regulars, this appears the simplest and most cost effective way to get any "non regulars" who want to go away "on the radar" - because the membership scheme already exists. (As pointed out in my first post, setting up something else just wouldn't be viable from either the cost point of view or because of the tiny number of people this actually effects).