TheInspiration

This is, indeed, true. However, it wouldn't be any skin off my nose, since I like all sorts of music. In addition, we asked you to provide some lyrics to back up your deep and meaningful assertion, and the examples you gave just didn't do that. I think that is a matter of opinion. You can't be someone who knows everything when it comes to quality of lyrical content. I was going to add In My Darkest Hour, which is already up, which I think is an excellent example personally.

I have albums by most of those bands and i don't think you have a clue what you're talking about at all. Anthrax are one of the best metal bands ever, with thought provoking ltrics and excellent melody. To call them 'thrash' is simplistic and frankly just wrong. BTW, the wife typed this for me after my labotomy Riding hard, high in the saddle Winged steed of unwearing flight Sweeping through air just like fire Swift of the foot, great of might Hear the screams Feel the bite We ride with death Tonight Here it comes You better hide Shoot the guns You're gonna die Conquering all, spreading terror Hoofs gallop in thunderous pound Devouring the souls of the wretched Trampling them down to the ground Gripping the reins of destruction Made of steel on his hands Holder of forces immortal Slaughtering all in his path Only thought that provokes is 'the fuck?' I never knew Deathrider was Anthrax's only song. And for the record, regarding their other music, the inclusion of comedy and swearing doesn't automatically make a song poorly written.

The musings of one who didn't watch the game. No, the musings of one who has seen him play countless times and realises no matter where he plays, he's fucking useless. One good game doesn't make someone sublime. How many of those times when he was useless, was he played at centre-back? Precisely what I was about to ask. You blatantly must be a very intelligent person then, if great minds do think alike.

You know, I could easily go and find some awful lyrics from rock bands (seeing as rock is a whole genre, just like metal...), but that means nothing if I'm trying to prove that rock lyrics are terrible.

The musings of one who didn't watch the game. No, the musings of one who has seen him play countless times and realises no matter where he plays, he's fucking useless. One good game doesn't make someone sublime. How many of those times when he was useless, was he played at centre-back?

On a different matter, could we see some of your favourite lyrics please.

Fine then, just got some Sonata Arctica. Their lyrics are very well written I think anyway. Sometimes I feel so out of time and place, trapped in a maze As if I was lost in someone else's life... The values I should keep in high regard don't mean a thing to me Do you ever feel a need to go back in time? A dream of mine... To travel far away and one day steal back my life In the end all I can do is to learn I live in a dreamland This time was not made for me, I have nowhere to land, no place to rest, Like a bird, without a nest, I'm gliding Under the clouds, forevermore How much suffocated anxiety can be held within? I was found guilty to a crime against myself. No need to hear the words again, I live and I'd die for my dreamland This time was not made for me, I have nowhere to land, no place to rest, Like a bird, without a nest, I'm gliding Under the clouds, forevermore I'll never have a chance, I can't understand I'm a misplaced man How could this backward land Learn to understand my dance What it's like, when every single smile hurts... I have never felt like home here Always missing something People aren't connecting Am I a misplaced soul? I live in a perfect Hell, I try finding my wishing well when I drop my last tear, I have accepted this life A true saint, that I am not, you have never seen me 'Cause I have always been there, standing by your side I'll never have a chance, I can't understand I'm a misplaced man How could this backward land Learn to understand my dance what it's like, when Every single moment pains me... Never felt like home here I am missing something My soul's in a wrong shell

Right okay. You're obviously a metal genius so we should now assume metal lyrics are all crap. Let's move on.

Show us some of them, please. You want the standard of the poetry to be top notch too?

Tbh, I'm not bothered with what you say, but it's not hindering the fact metal DOES have a lot of deep and meaningful lyrics.

That would still be a big exaggeration tbh. And anyway, you asked for deep and meaningful, so I gave you it...

Not joking. Even if it is GCSE standard poetry, it can still be deep and meaningful, and besides some GCSE poetry is very famous and impressive, no? I'm sure you like bands where the song-writer isn't a poetic genius, but can still write good lyrics.

Which site was it you used to search "thrash metal" then?

It's metaphorical, as I've said. You'd probably be right if the meaning was right on the surface. But that is an example of "deep and meaningful" lyrics.

It's not so much that I think it's all thrash metal or cock rock, just that it's all noisy shit. I hate the fact it is so hackneyed and cliched. The guitars are used to ridiculous excess, killing the melody in the process, and the lyrics are banal and almost always stereotyped (can't think of a single good lyrical song). Then there's the utterly ridiculous 'look' that accompanies it. Ironically, metal fans also tend to be hugely arrogant about the value their music has, which is close to zero for most people. And before anyone starts, I do not rate goth stuff now either, it's equally bollocks! That is ridiculous. A truly uninformed comment. There are a lot of shit metal bands that do things badly, but thats the same for any genre of music. When metal is done well not only is it melodic, but some of the most amazingly technical music you'll get. Dismissing metal as having 'zero value' and 'stereotyped' is poor IMO. Ridiculous. Really? OK, the melody is a moot point, if you like it, that's up to you. But I think we can be more objective on the banality of the lyrics of these bands. Why don't you point me in the direction of a Metallica song that has deep and meaningful lyrics then? I mean, even the names of metal bands tend to be stereotyped, I mean Metallica ffs. Iron Maiden. Slayer. Poison etc. I know I know very little about the genre now, especially how it has progressed over the last 10 years (although a lot of my friends tried to convince me it was quality in the 80s and 90s, none of them are really into it now), so point me to some stuff which isn't about drug taking, war, violence, shagging, or the Occult etc and maybe I'll think differently. Poison aren't even metal. Also Iron Maiden's lyrics generally aren't the sort you expect from a band with such a name - they just thought it was a cool name, and it's a song by them, but again it's hardly serious. As for the Metallica song with deep and meaningful lyrics, I could point you to many a song, but for now you can do with Fade To Black, One, Master Of Puppets and The Unforgiven. So One is about war and Master Of Puppets is about drugs, but you asked for deep and meaningful so you've got it. You're kind of contradicting yourself by requesting Metal with deep and meaningful lyrics, but nothing to do with war and drugs, which can be issues in deep and meaningful music. Master Of Puppets is not about how awesome drugs are, more how they become the "master" of someone, hence the metaphorical title. Now for the "stuff which isn't about drug taking, war, violence, shagging, or the Occult etc", then there's always a sub-genre called Power Metal, which is generally very lighthearted. Often the likes of Lord Of The Rings comes into the lyrics. What's a nice Christian boy like you doing listening to this DEVIL'S MUSIC? Well you see, I ignored the foolish people who label it "music of the devil" and listen to music I like, being metal. Simple really.

It's not so much that I think it's all thrash metal or cock rock, just that it's all noisy shit. I hate the fact it is so hackneyed and cliched. The guitars are used to ridiculous excess, killing the melody in the process, and the lyrics are banal and almost always stereotyped (can't think of a single good lyrical song). Then there's the utterly ridiculous 'look' that accompanies it. Ironically, metal fans also tend to be hugely arrogant about the value their music has, which is close to zero for most people. And before anyone starts, I do not rate goth stuff now either, it's equally bollocks! That is ridiculous. A truly uninformed comment. There are a lot of shit metal bands that do things badly, but thats the same for any genre of music. When metal is done well not only is it melodic, but some of the most amazingly technical music you'll get. Dismissing metal as having 'zero value' and 'stereotyped' is poor IMO. Ridiculous. Really? OK, the melody is a moot point, if you like it, that's up to you. But I think we can be more objective on the banality of the lyrics of these bands. Why don't you point me in the direction of a Metallica song that has deep and meaningful lyrics then? I mean, even the names of metal bands tend to be stereotyped, I mean Metallica ffs. Iron Maiden. Slayer. Poison etc. I know I know very little about the genre now, especially how it has progressed over the last 10 years (although a lot of my friends tried to convince me it was quality in the 80s and 90s, none of them are really into it now), so point me to some stuff which isn't about drug taking, war, violence, shagging, or the Occult etc and maybe I'll think differently. Poison aren't even metal. Also Iron Maiden's lyrics generally aren't the sort you expect from a band with such a name - they just thought it was a cool name, and it's a song by them, but again it's hardly serious. As for the Metallica song with deep and meaningful lyrics, I could point you to many a song, but for now you can do with Fade To Black, One, Master Of Puppets and The Unforgiven. So One is about war and Master Of Puppets is about drugs, but you asked for deep and meaningful so you've got it. You're kind of contradicting yourself by requesting Metal with deep and meaningful lyrics, but nothing to do with war and drugs, which can be issues in deep and meaningful music. Master Of Puppets is not about how awesome drugs are, more how they become the "master" of someone, hence the metaphorical title. Now for the "stuff which isn't about drug taking, war, violence, shagging, or the Occult etc", then there's always a sub-genre called Power Metal, which is generally very lighthearted. Often the likes of Lord Of The Rings comes into the lyrics.

True, he is an awful left-back. It;s surprising though, that most of his big kicks were with his left foot though, even if he is considred very right-footed. His "big kicks"?? Are you American? I dunno what to say. Erm I'm no football expert...

True, he is an awful left-back. It;s surprising though, that most of his big kicks were with his left foot though, even if he is considred very right-footed.

I love how people always criticise Emre, but not the perfect Scotty P. He was no better yesterday.

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That's nonsense. Heavy Metal, Metalcore & Nu-Metal are three completely separate genres. That'd be like me coming on here and saying 'well, rock music is a VERY DIVERSE genre, really.' Erm, what are you trying to say? Metalcore is a type of metal. Nu-metal isn't, but is often considred metal by people who don't know much about metal, and is often the music people think of when they call it "noisy shit". Heavy metal tends to be used as just a general term for metal tbh, even if that is incorrect. Metal is a genre of music, just like rock, classical, jazz etc are. Metalcore is a sub-genre. Renton I can't assume you know much about the genre from your responses. As for Metallica, Ride The Lightning is their best album imo. Load/Reload/St Anger all have good songs, but aren't a shade on their 80s stuff. Black album is decent but not the best.

Hopefully this is the start of his slide down the pecking order. I'd play any of Moore, Taylor and Ramage ahead of him simply because he makes the rest of the back four nervous and this affects their own performances. I agree there, though it's people like Carr who make the rest of the defence, and expecially Bramble, nervous.

Tbh, a win as a win, and judging by our recent performances, any win is great.

Wouldn't necessarily agree with the last sentence, but there's a lot more to metal than people unfamiliar with the genre would give it credit for. Same way that I know bog-all about rap/hip-hop/whatever, so a lot of it sounds fairly similar or derivative to my ears, but I'm sure there's plenty of innovation and sub-genrefication going on there too. I just have no particular desire to educate myself about it. Hmmm, well admittedly metal is probably the genre of music I listen to most, and there are the ocassional genres I never listen to, so maybe I can;t really judge. But I'd have to say the range from technique, vocals etc is huge. Also metal as a whole takes influence from every other genre of music. Sometimes it works out terribly, I admit. Rap-metal for example. As the initial impression people get of it though, I can easily prove them wrong, though that won't suggest they'd like it. You're right, there are hundreds of different subgenre's, some of which are similar but many of which are so different they have little in common. And the level of creativity, technical ability, vocals and the like is great, but to the unenlightened like Gemmill/Renton they think all metal is thrash metal or "cock rock" type stuff. But each to their own! Cock rock... argh, can't stand that stuff tbh. Also find thrash metal gets boring quickly too, though to many non-listeners I'm sure that just means some druggie bashing his drum kit with a club, and the vocalist belching down the microphone without any tune.

The defence kept quiet Alex and Tuncay quite well I thought, but it's not every day you get the luxury of defending against Mateja Kezman up front alone. Still. Ramage was excellent, and was also impressed with his marshalling too, with his lack of experience in his true position. Duff also had the sort of game you'd be pleased with from any left-back.