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ChezGiven

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  1. The CIA coup in Ukraine is the biggest pile of shite ever spun in Western media. I remember my brother furious at it all after all the links about it on chemtrail.id.iot or whatever it is. The evidence presented was a tapped phone call between 2 lowly European Parliament advisors who may have said something which contradicted the official story about where shots were fired from on one of the days of protest. This was presented by the Russians (who did the tapping) as proof that the official line was not true. This is what the Russians want you to believe, that Ukraine is on the brink of signing an accord with Europe that has widespread support among its people but when it looks like not being signed, the US manage to make the people of Ukraine rise up in protest (just a few CIA operatives striking matches and setting fire to the streets of Kiev) and that the uprising leads to the annexation of Crimea and a Russian army invited into Ukraine :lol: Here is the timeline of some events. November 21st 2013, the EU agreement is on the table and this man .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arseniy_Yatsenyuk and a blog on this site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korrespondent.net lead to the first protests on against the likely rejection of the EU trade deal. Why does this happen? The Ukrainians were happy progressing with their move westwards in 2013, building the trade agreement when in August 2013, Russia starts a trade war that stops them getting energy from Russia and bans all their exports. In the face of this economic pressure, the Ukrainian government abandons the EU agreement on Nov 21st, that same day the protests start and the first steps to war are initiated. The CIA doesnt even feature in this discussion, none of this is disputed. The only place you see this shit is from RT and alternative websites. Its so ironic that in attempting to be a truth seeker and unveil the lies of one set of 'globalists', you should fall hook line and sinker for the even more deceptive patter of their enemies.
  2. There was no CIA coup in Ukraine, you have just swallowed every inch of Putin's propaganda cock like every other muppet on DavidIcke.com
  3. Borscht in the White House instead. Fuck the Russians, all states act like cunts but Putin is a murdering dictator who suppresses free speech and runs the country as a fiefdom. When you are choosing between imperialist forces, there is obviously not that much of a choice but to not be able to understand the real differences, well the only thing to say to that is go fucking live there and see how you like it.
  4. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-interference-could-give-courts-legal-authority_us_584be136e4b0151082221b9c Clinton's lead in the popular vote now 2.8 million.
  5. from here http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21711538-1930s-moscow-beacon-international-movement-russian-propaganda?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/russianpropagandaisstateoftheartagain
  6. With Normandy, you're probably best booking a few decent B&Bs or 3/4 star hotels in the good towns. If you come from Calais, i'd go. Etretat - Picturesque village / town with massive cliffs, nice walks Deauville - Posh seaside resort, has a film festival. Loads of parisians have their 'maison secondaire' there. Cabourg - Just as nice as Deauville but cheaper, might be a good place to base yourself to explore the coast between Le Havre and Bayeux Bayeux - Decent carpet Brittany is not somewhere i know as well. I would recommend going to somewhere like St Malo but the best spots are on the southern facing coast of Brittany and particular the Gulf of Morbihan. You'd want to stay in Vannes to explore the coast between Concarneau and Saint-Nazaire.
  7. Good reply and sums it up well. I think where we diverge is on this last point. Taken independently with no context, just based on the evidence i would agree we should be sceptical. However, we live in reality and in the throes of Russian imperialistic policy in the middle east, eastern Europe and China. We know they hack for political purposes, both sides do that. Lots of people are saying they did the DNC hacks, as i said, first principles, common sense whatever you want to call it points to Guccifer 2.0 being a Russian government hacker.
  8. Everyone who thinks they should criticise the west based on propaganda from Russia. I'd estimate half of Facebook, so roughly 500 million people.
  9. The things that narks me is that all of this is set against a carefully spun narrative from Russia on US aggression in Ukraine and Syria. A message that has incidentally massive support amongst people who follow David Icke and the like, the alternative thinkers, the conspiracists, who have been targeted by Russia in the only part of their war which is truly 'soft'. The rest of it is hard as nails and they have used the split in the West's thinking on the West's own policy to undermine support and have ruthlessly and deliberately exploited the lack of trust in the US and the West since Iraq. Ukraine was a CIA plot, Crimea just a democratic eventuality, in the story of soft Russian power in the face of US aggression? Same story holds in Syria, for everyone. They have identified the lack of trust and doing everything they can to exploit. English written Facebook memes decrying US aggression come from Russia via RT and multiple other affiliate websites. The truth? Well if the US started the fight in the Maidan, if the US caused the bloodshed in Syria, they are in the work and Russia was right, right? So Trump is on the side of good, doing what's right for the world, fucking over the CIA? Yeah!!! Wrong and if you don't see the importance of Tillerson you are missing the victory that Putin is now celebrating. It should also tell you that everything you read on Syria is full of shit too, as a bunch of Russian (and now US!) Oilmen, leading the politics strategy in the Middle East aren't somehow miraculously going to be doing things for peace. That would be taking the naivety of the counter narrative suckers to extremes.
  10. No idea if what you two posted was meant to argue against Russian interference. Am fine if the answer is yes because the US interfered in theirs. Am not fine with the 'the Clintons had strategic engagement with Russia' so somehow it's fine for the US and the world to be manipulated by Russian hackers and propagandists.
  11. That's got nothing to do with the subject under discussion as far as I can tell. Which is Russian interference. If true, Russian hacking and interference in an election for a candidate who has extensive links to Russian business interests is more troubling than a 'rapprochement' under Obama. But that's not the point.
  12. Trump saying that the idea is ridiculous also funnily enough points to them being involved.
  13. Common sense says they were involved, decades of KGB interference says they were involved, Fancy Bears says they were involved, the 1000 plus propaganda force deployed on western website operating out of St Petersburg says they were involved, The Trump campaigns troubling and deeply compromised relationship with Russia says they were involved, the CIA and the DNC say they were involved. Literally everything that is happening in Syria shows just one example of the extraordinary importance of Trump's win for Russia, a win in a 2 horse race in a country that has defined itself in soft or hard opposition to Russian imperial ambition for decades. But no, some bloke off Wikileaks says so that's that We are all biased no matter what we think.
  14. Also has a very strong vested interest in denying Russian involvement.
  15. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/11/google-frames-shapes-and-distorts-how-we-see-world
  16. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/10/cia-concludes-russia-interfered-to-help-trump-win-election-report Do you believe it HF?
  17. You should read the article as although all those points are relevant, the targeted messaging on Facebook with memes designed to elicit an emotional response from CA and their Republican Hedge fund backers is the darkest shit i've come across. The Globalists are still in charge, they've just fooled everyone into thinking they are anti-establishment. The greatest trick the devil ever played etc....
  18. The eyesight on this forum is definitely declining.
  19. Soundtrack also featured an updated version of the immense Hoppipola
  20. How ironic that you used to say that you were looking for the truth I dont know if it heralds a worsening of the world or its just more bullshit, time will tell. Did you read the article that Gloomy posted about Cambridge Analytica, OCEAN scores and Facebook manipulation? I thought you would have been all over that.
  21. I dont think thats true and not in such volume and with not with the same circulation. Its a coming together of social media, populism, financial crisis, immigration and clueless millennials. Actually i dont think that last one is fair, quite a few of my mates believe in utter gibberish nowadays about food etc.
  22. Not the worst thing you've called me tbf.
  23. https://sheg.stanford.edu/upload/V3LessonPlans/Executive%20Summary%2011.21.16.pdf Evaluating Information: The cornerstone of civic online reasoning. Stanford University. "When we began our work we had little sense of the depth of the problem. We even found ourselves rejecting ideas for tasks (kids are asked to evaluate very simple evidence and websites) because we thought they would be too easy. Our frst round of piloting shocked us into reality. Many assume that because young people are fuent in social media they are equally savvy about what they fnd there. Our work shows the opposite." Basically kids these days cant tell the difference. The national journalist i talked with last week said this is the biggest topic of debate amongst his professional circle. They dont know what to do about it and according to the Stanford research, the next generation of kids isn't equipped to handle it either.
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