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© Stevie. Do yourself a favour Chez, quit whilst you're behind. You misunderstood me, i was paraphrasing Stevie's argument about scousers. I dont seriously think you're a wanker, obviously.

© Stevie.

Was the version i remember.

Tom and Stevie spring to mind. I think it is because we are a threat it terms of fan base which is all NUFC have over most clubs. Aye money doesn't matter does it, appeal, turnover, public interest, national interest, media interest, history, but they don't matter do they. That sentence is incredibly ironic coming from a Tottenham fan who feels threatened by us, for the same reasons you imagine we feel threatened by you. Money? We make more profit, generate more turnover and earn the highest media revenue out side the big four. We also have the lowest wages to turnover ratio in the league. As for Appeal, you better consult Mr Modric on that one. That may well be true danny but you are, on the whole, a bunch of wankers and i'm sure you'd agree thats pretty hard to argue against.

Has fop gone for his lunch?

And if they do extra parliamentary work, they should get more than the average. Running the country >>>>> running a hospital.

Chezzy's and Renton always do it and try to derail what is an otherwise interesting debate. Rubbish, you quoted some random figure and I pulled you up on it. You then couldn't back that figure up with anything on the entire internet. And now you claim I've derailed the discussion? I know my local MP quite well and although I haven't seen his bank account I know enough to suggest you're talking cobblers Fop. For the record, I think it's a pretty stressful and difficult job which should come with adequate renumeration. The present system obviously is not working or at the very least is not being seen to be working though, and needs changing. Simple. Fop will ask you the same question that shut Chezzy up and made him turn tail and scuttle off: Do you really honestly believe that £65,000 wage and expenses is all that MPs get? A simple yes or no will do. Being an hour ahead of you, i went for my lunch you knobheed. Going for a coffee and a fag now, so you can wait even longer. Take your time, just remember it's this you have to answer: Believe what you want, it's exactly what they want you to do after all. But do you really honestly believe that £65,000 wage and expenses is all that MPs get? A simple yes or no will do. No, i said they didnt expense claim 235k on average, which is the difference between the average wage and the figure you plucked out yer arse. So you accept that they do get other things besides the £65,000 and expenses that they get, you just disagree on how much extra they get. Good. Now out of interest how much extra do you think they get on top of that £65,000 and expenses (not just directly, but in tax breaks/free etc., and indeed extra parliamentary work)? 135k http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7062525.stm taking their total income to the 200k i think they should get paid anyway.

Chezzy's and Renton always do it and try to derail what is an otherwise interesting debate. Rubbish, you quoted some random figure and I pulled you up on it. You then couldn't back that figure up with anything on the entire internet. And now you claim I've derailed the discussion? I know my local MP quite well and although I haven't seen his bank account I know enough to suggest you're talking cobblers Fop. For the record, I think it's a pretty stressful and difficult job which should come with adequate renumeration. The present system obviously is not working or at the very least is not being seen to be working though, and needs changing. Simple. Fop will ask you the same question that shut Chezzy up and made him turn tail and scuttle off: Do you really honestly believe that £65,000 wage and expenses is all that MPs get? A simple yes or no will do. Being an hour ahead of you, i went for my lunch you knobheed. Going for a coffee and a fag now, so you can wait even longer.

Believe what you want, it's exactly what they want you to do after all. But do you really honestly believe that £65,000 wage and expenses is all that MPs get? A simple yes or no will do. No, i said they didnt expense claim 235k on average, which is the difference between the average wage and the figure you plucked out yer arse.

As Renton said, thats a no. You've plucked 300k out the air. I dont need google-fu to show you the benchmark either. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/poli...icle2848044.ece

To be clear, people are not outraged at the absolute level of overall pay, its the fact that the MPs have used the system in exactly the way they were meant to use it. So, morally, whats the debate about? Surely the heart of the debate on the remuneration of public servants is that they receive a package in line with their responsibility? Anything else is just media driven incoherent rubbish.

That would be a significant pay cut. If they just got that (as Fop's said most are on ~£300,000 effective salary, with many breaching £400,000+ - not including their private interests, just what they are getting for being MPs). Outraged? Are you saying tax evasion by democratically elected officials is ok? The average salary is 65k http://www.parliament.uk/faq/members_faq_page2.cfm So the average expense claim per year is 235k per MP? Er, no, its not. Private interests are utterly irrelevant. Cant believe you and Parky (seemingly intelligent) would invoke private interests in a discussion on appropriate benchmarked remuneration. Yes it is, it's not just those expenses that they get. By the time you factor in all the other benefits, the tax breaks and tax free issues and other perks, it comes to equalling an effective salary of ~£300,000 for most MPs. The £65,000 "wage" is a complete and utter decoy (as it is intended to be). Also like Fop said the £300,000 is NOT including any private interest they may have (NOT INCLUDING). Ridiculous? Yes, but that's how it is. Fop notices you avoided answering: Are you saying tax evasion by democratically elected officials is ok? Thats why i employ PriceWaterHouse Coopers to do my tax return here in France, the system is there to use as you see fit without breaking the law. If tax evasion is legal, then yes. However, i think this 'flipping' nonsense is bad form and should be stopped. You've just typed out numbers there, without any reference and said 'when you add things in, it comes out at my figure'. No, it doesnt. The average MP does not earn 300k when expense are accounted for. Thats just bullshit.

Tax evasion is a red herring too when you benchmark their salaries. If they claim 40k per year, they should be getting 60k and paying tax instead. The debate is about what they should earn, not whether they game a system. Is gaming a system really that outrageous when the absolute package is no higher than some bloke who runs a hospital?

That would be a significant pay cut. If they just got that (as Fop's said most are on ~£300,000 effective salary, with many breaching £400,000+ - not including their private interests, just what they are getting for being MPs). Outraged? Are you saying tax evasion by democratically elected officials is ok? The average salary is 65k http://www.parliament.uk/faq/members_faq_page2.cfm So the average expense claim per year is 235k per MP? Er, no, its not. Private interests are utterly irrelevant. Cant believe you and Parky (seemingly intelligent) would invoke private interests in a discussion on appropriate benchmarked remuneration.

The same 'anger' dynamics at play here as during the Ross/Brand affair. I'd like to see MP's on a basic wage of 200k, as thats at least what their market value is. A Dr. (GP) earns 100k in the UK and they look after what? 2000 people? If you benchmark salary versus responsibility in the public sector in the UK, adjust the salary upwards for the expenses claimed, uprate to the 'target taxable salary' required to earn the tax free expense, they are still underpaid for what they do. What are we outraged at? The 'gaming' of a system? Or the absolute level of money earned by MPs? As the latter can easily be benchmarked against other public sector employees with far lower work burdens and far less resppnsibiity. Yet again, the media drive an incoherent debate in the UK.

I agree that Johnson is a handful but Zamora? I don't think we will have much problem containing him if he does play! I'd be far more concerned about Nevland! Murphy is the key for them we need to keep him quiet. Nicky Butt on Afonso style perhaps The West Ham song about Zamora always made me laugh.

Fucking mental night, picked a good one to come back for. Atmosphere had that rare blend of desperation and relief, like you'd not been able to have had a wank for a month. I've never hugged that many strangers since 1992 either. Odd mix of imagery, i admit.

Just because i point out when you're talking through your arse, doesnt mean i dont like you SM.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...icle6256359.ece Read that in the print edition yesterday. Should have saved myself the money tbh.

Seems that way. Even if we managed to manipulate the very fabric of space-time, we'd still have no pace in the side.

Is the pissed up fat opera singer being wheeled out again?

2 baldies fighting over a comb.

Theres a joke in there about self-flagellation. 90's porn Wtf?

Thinking of going to Switzerland to top yourself? I was just bored and numb when we went down in 1999. I think we had to play Nottingham Forest who were already relegated, and we sleep walked into a 2-1 loss which either sent us down, or made it more or less impossible to stay up. Aye euthanasia is legal there. No, i live abroad.

I'm amazed ANYONE with a degree of intelligence still believes Soccermom could be a lass. Men usually arent that bitchy. Well, as a rule anyway. Your modern man is I think especially younger ones striving to find where their place in the food chain is. Especially in a boring office environment. "He's a cunt" "they're cunts" "have ye seen that daft cunt etc.." Aye true but there is a difference between 'he's a cunt' and insinuating that 'your dad is shagging yer mam's sister' to 'win' an argument.