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Are you saying that that's the ONLY reason he bought a pint? He can use that reply when he buys a pint when we play Spurs/Blackburn.

Henda is not being inconsistent actually. NUFC dont run the concessions, outside companies do. As with all concessions, the company who runs the service pays a fixed annual fee for the right to supply catering etc. By not buying food/drink in the ground, you only affect the employment opportunities for the young lads and lasses who work there. If their takings are massively down, they will probably be able to negotiate a better price for the right to run the concession when the contract is re-newed. Thats could be anytime in the next 5 years for all we know.

Modric is nowt. Over-rated.

Its harsh that we have different views on such an emotional and important topic but i'm not going to shy away from it. I think we're both more than capable of having a different opinion on this. My view is that he knew for months about the situation as it was the Keegan camp feeding Louise Taylor etc about events behind the scenes (about as close to a fact as you'll get in all of this). He had serious mis-givings during the summer, which he voiced through the press. It wasnt Ashley feeding the press all summer as that would have been an insane thing for him to do. The only possible conclusion you can draw is that Keegan had a problem with the set-up since the day 'problems with the set-up' appeared in the press. Thats months ago now. Its integrity to do the right thing by the people that you express you act in the best interests of. Ashley & co have no integrity whatsoever, they've lived and died by the same sword (PR). I've been saying that since they took over tbf too, me and LM + a few others were slating them from the start. For Keegan, i jst want to see the details of his contract to clear up this confusion. It would appear he has had problems with the set-up for longer than the friday before the Arsenal game. If it was me, i'd have been lobbying for change, setting out my reasons why, influencing those within the club to listen. I dont think he tried any of that. If he had sign-off on players, acting with integrity would have been to consult his lawyers for constructive dismissal the first time a contractual element of his role had been broken. Instead he issued demands asking for total control of the club and demanding that Jimenez & Wise are sacked, the day after none of that mattered for another 3 months. My personal belief is that the club were probably prepared to let Wise go but that the man who got them 12m for a player valued at 6-7m by the manager was pretty indispensable. I have a suspicion that this is what broke the possibility of them sorting it out. What i dont believe is that, having endured the set-up and problems for so long, he couldnt put up with it for a few months more, gone to the LMA and tried to sort this out from the inside out. People just accept this notion of a 'neccessity to resign' which to me sounds prescious and pompous. Could he not have thought of the greater good? Sorry mate, if you want me to keep reading after there you're going to have to provide some solid evidence. Easy. It wasnt Ashley or the club who put out stories against themselves. So, if it wasnt the club putting those (now proved correct) stories out, who was it? Logic tells you that Keegan's views have been heard all summer. We all dismissed them as rubbish, now its clear they came from within the Keegan camp. Just like the news of him 'leaving the club' came from within the Keegan camp last tuesday. There are only 2 options here.

Hoying this in here as the TF thread is about action and not about what happened. Its harsh that we have different views on such an emotional and important topic but i'm not going to shy away from it. I think we're both more than capable of having a different opinion on this. My view is that he knew for months about the situation as it was the Keegan camp feeding Louise Taylor etc about events behind the scenes (about as close to a fact as you'll get in all of this). He had serious mis-givings during the summer, which he voiced through the press. It wasnt Ashley feeding the press all summer as that would have been an insane thing for him to do. The only possible conclusion you can draw is that Keegan had a problem with the set-up since the day 'problems with the set-up' appeared in the press. Thats months ago now. Its integrity to do the right thing by the people that you express you act in the best interests of. Ashley & co have no integrity whatsoever, they've lived and died by the same sword (PR). I've been saying that since they took over tbf too, me and LM + a few others were slating them from the start. For Keegan, i jst want to see the details of his contract to clear up this confusion. It would appear he has had problems with the set-up for longer than the friday before the Arsenal game. If it was me, i'd have been lobbying for change, setting out my reasons why, influencing those within the club to listen. I dont think he tried any of that. If he had sign-off on players, acting with integrity would have been to consult his lawyers for constructive dismissal the first time a contractual element of his role had been broken. Instead he issued demands asking for total control of the club and demanding that Jimenez & Wise are sacked, the day after none of that mattered for another 3 months. My personal belief is that the club were probably prepared to let Wise go but that the man who got them 12m for a player valued at 6-7m by the manager was pretty indispensable. I have a suspicion that this is what broke the possibility of them sorting it out. What i dont believe is that, having endured the set-up and problems for so long, he couldnt put up with it for a few months more, gone to the LMA and tried to sort this out from the inside out. People just accept this notion of a 'neccessity to resign' which to me sounds prescious and pompous. Could he not have thought of the greater good?

I'd have liked them to have set out the accusation a bit more clearly as i'm still not clear who is lying as i have never seen a copy of Keegan's contract. If Keegan is telling the truth, he should have walked months ago, not the day after the transfer window shut. If the club is telling the truth, they should have sacked him months ago. No matter who is telling the truth, the actions of all concerned have leftt the club where we are today. I know its not a popular view, so apologies but i cant help what i think.

@ the logic.

"The ethics of football.....maintaining dignity and respect" People have lost it.

A Lowestoft lad I meant selling my cock for cash. You should come to Lowestoft..... Is that an offer?

Of all the ideas put forward in the last week, support Leeds is about the stupidest.

A Lowestoft lad I meant selling my cock for cash.

Our destiny is to sing 'sack the board' perpetually.

I like Dick Money..

She is proved right and still she is a slut. Pull your head out of your arses, if she wants to take the piss she is entitled now.

Deleted? Ha ha everyone is shitting it. Let's rock!! In a game of paper,scissors, stone, actual text of a contract > quotes on a website. People need to be careful if this is going to court.

Lord Westwood, Stan Seymour, Gordon McKeag, Freddie Shepherd, Mike Ashley. Is that just a really unlucky 47 year streak or what?

SSR on NO earlier, nearly wet myself reading it. He did my av too.

Aye, I still don't. You know what, as well? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the odious little cunt himself was responsible for leaking some of the stuff to the press in order to undermine Keegan. .com suggested as much last season. I wouldn't be surprised either. I think both sides have been leaking their side of the story out. A few journalists seem to have known about this all summer.

Anyone decent will want to go, no one decent will want to come. You'll get the odd exception in both cases but I think that'll be the trend. Which is why i'm annoyed with Keegan too in all this. Depressing as fuck. I can see some Spanish boss coming in and it'll be olé the lads from there on in. I'm not annoyed at Keegan one bit. I was a bit last time round. He's been sold down the river though, he really has. He could have rode it out. All this talk about 'integrity' winds me right up though. Ashley bears the brunt of the blame for this but if the club does go into meltdown and gets relegated, its clear that Keegan could have chosen another course of action that could have prevented this. So, he was first team coach for a season, big wow, think about from a normal perspective of a normal job, you might be unhappy and want to leave but at least dont fuck over the people you profess to love so much. I worked for 6 months with someone i consider to be a total cunt. I did it because thats life for normal people. I take your points mate, I really do. And I know it's life for most of us. But I just think he is a highly principled individual who was sold a vision that turned out to be a lie. I think what has happened has also shown that there was only ever going to be one winner/which side the owner would take. So I think it's a case of sooner rather than later and I know he was fucking raging at what happened with Modric. Anyway, I don't want to argue about it, least of all with a good mate. Fuck knows what going to happen between now and the next time we meet up too. October btw.

Anyone decent will want to go, no one decent will want to come. You'll get the odd exception in both cases but I think that'll be the trend. Which is why i'm annoyed with Keegan too in all this. Depressing as fuck. I can see some Spanish boss coming in and it'll be olé the lads from there on in. I'm not annoyed at Keegan one bit. I was a bit last time round. He's been sold down the river though, he really has. He could have rode it out. All this talk about 'integrity' winds me right up though. Ashley bears the brunt of the blame for this but if the club does go into meltdown and gets relegated, its clear that Keegan could have chosen another course of action that could have prevented this. So, he was first team coach for a season, big wow, think about from a normal perspective of a normal job, you might be unhappy and want to leave but at least dont fuck over the people you profess to love so much. I worked for 6 months with someone i consider to be a total cunt. I did it because thats life for normal people.

its different to the last time like..........we had a progressive club and Keegan disn't leave because he wasn't backed by his board [despite what mick on NO said yesterday]. The fans were gutted, and the players were too, but we still had a great side and the club was able to carry on and also made what appeared to be in lots of ways the most credible replacement possible. I have not known anything like this at this club, assuming the players are as pissed off as it seems, since Gordon Lee left for Everton in 1976. Then, they were so pissed off with the directors and the club, they threatened to go on strike. A lot of people didn't like Lee because he sold MacDonald, but in the end they were coming back, and realising that we were on the right road. But him going had massive repercussions. The spirit among the players was never the same. From a team that collectively saw the season out and motivated themselves to finish and end up finishing 5th, the following season was a disaster. We lost our first game, then lost 11 on the trot and ended up relegated. But in my opinion, the club were heading for relegation from the moment Lee walked out of the club. I'm praying this doesn't happen again. If the players have lost faith in their owners, then Ashley simply must sell. If we get relegated we'd be stuck with him as there is no way he could sell without making a huge loss. Am fucking buzzing here

Anyone decent will want to go, no one decent will want to come. You'll get the odd exception in both cases but I think that'll be the trend. Which is why i'm annoyed with Keegan too in all this. Depressing as fuck. I can see some Spanish boss coming in and it'll be olé the lads from there on in.

We're fucked basically. I can see factions developing over the coming months.

But no one was calling him a yes man till now were they? He was doing well with what he had at his disposal, all the bullshit about him being tactically naieve was blown out of the water - he'd re-invented himself as a coach. That's why it disappoints me that he quit over not having more control on transfers, because that job wasn't being done disastrously, although you could question whether enough money was spent. I think it would have become increasingly obvious he was a yes man though. People were already questioning how much control he had over who went / who came in. If Keegan's transfer targets weren't in line with the policy of buying young emerging talent then there was always going to be a problem. Ashley hired the wrong man for the job in that case which is his mistake, although I agree with the policy broadly. He blocked Smith's move to everton on deadline day too. Anyway, i cant be arsed with all this blamestorming, all over both the forums i use there are people calling Ashley a fat cunt and he should leave. 90% of them were calling Shepherd a fat cunt and saying he should leave about 18 months ago. When things dont go exactly the way the fans want them too, there will always be a fat cunt that should leave immediately. Telling.

If he loved the fans as much as he said he did, keegan should not have let personal differences get int he way of doing his job. Anyway, I reckon Keegan wanted out for a lot of reasons, the structure, the personnel, the responsibilities, the lot.