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I pay for the music when I pay for a ticket to see it performed. Funny someone should mention Bob Dylan. A man who's barely had a break in touring for 50 years. He's a professional musician who makes a living playing to audiences. I think CD sales should be incidental to the artists compulsion to create and have their 'product' heard. There's different categories though. Stars like Lars Ulrich who do a 20 night tour every 4 years and whine that their multi-million pound lifestyle isn't enough and they want the genuine working man to cough up £12 for an item that costs pennies to produce so he can get his £1 cut from each of the millions of sales it racks up on the back of a multi-million pound blanket advertising campaign that quashes diversity in music. Then there's up and comers who probably deserve a bit more recognition than they're getting. To them I'd say that Time Warner are their biggest enemy, exactly because of the type of promotion described above. Don't you think on a level playing field the most talented performers will make a living? Rather than A&R men deciding what X-factor Barbie doll should be pushed and what shouldn't? Theatrical independent cinema is already as good as dead over here given that the people at City Screen provide every independent cinema in the country with THEIR choices of which films will get limited distribution (more specifically, the final say rests with a single person, programming director Clare Binns). Do you think any film that hasn't had a cinematic run at the whim of this one person has a chance of getting a DVD release? Most 'Independent' film that does get shown is backed by a house within a conglomerate studio such as Warner Village or even Miramax (Disney owned). At least the internet allows any film maker to get anything out there. By the way, I've bought over 500 CD's (over about 15 years that averages more than one a fortnight I think) and had as many DVD's (which I'm gladly starting to replace with high definition versions so they can rake it in again off me). Lars Ulrich spends time and his creativity on the product, the pennies it costs to make (or the marginal cost of the CD) is very low. Thats irrelevant though, what the marginal cost to NUFC of a seat in the stadium? £0. Is that what the price should reflect? You also seem to assume that its just major labels that are affected. That is wrong. The point about cinema is that if every single film was available free to download it would be difficult for film-makers to make money and produce such (i hear) stunning films like TDK. They hold their scarcity power over these films, thus forcing you to pay to see them, thus helping them invest in more films. If you apply what has happened to the music industry elsewhere the economic system would collapse.

Telling me how the drugs industry works Demented

Righto Fop, I'll let the economics profession know that they got it wrong. You're a fucking wanker for using knowledge of what i do to score points but dont have the bottle to say what you do yourself, thats not a sign of defeat thats a sign that i think you're a wanker.

Not surprised you believe in attempting to secure price rigging, even at the cost of everyone else's privacy rights. When they release downloads at a low enough price they sell a lot more and make a lot more total profit, problem is for most of the entirety of the 20th century recording companies could have their cake and eat it (i.e. price rig and gouge and still sell), and they are still stuck in that mindset. Internet piracy is the closest thing to free market competition the recording industry has ever faced, and they really don't like it. Recording companies will do pretty much anything in this cause, be it borderline/actual privacy infringements, or utterly illegal stuff like Sony's automatic root-kit installation from CDs (on windows anyway). As I'm sure you know, Law is all about who can buy it. Thats utterly pathetic of you to try (and i'll explain in a second why you're wrong again) to have a dig at someone because they said what they did for a living, when you dont have balls to say what you do yourself. I would have thought you would steer away from that given the conversations on here. You've dropped down a notch in my estimation. My best mate (who people on here know) is a recording artist, label owner and producer. He estimates 80% os his sales are pirated. I have direct personal experience of piracy affecting artists who are independent and trying to invest in themselves, i doubt you've even met a musician. Privacy rights? I think the right of an artist ranks higher than the right of someone to hide when contravening that right. Muppet. Downloads make more profit? So what? Whats that got to do with it? Aye privacy rights, that is the right NOT to have the police (or a 3rd party firm) constantly ransack everyone's house, because they think someone, somewhere may be committing burglary. Which is exactly where this is going. And again if they drop prices enough piracy "goes away", their turn over increase and so does their overall profit, the recording companies themselves know this and have seen this, but pure GREED is driving them to try and have it both ways - much like the recent EU rights change to 75(?) year? It was trumpeted as a great deal of artist, yet of course most of the royalties gained by extending royalty rights does NOT go to the artist, but the recording company. Piracy is an ironic term, as recording companies were the first media "pirates", or at least organised crime and racketeering. I'm not surprise you won't recognise it though as there's an awful lot in common with drug company business practice and recording company, you both use a lot of the same cons, tricks and methods to buy laws. That's just how it is. You really are a wanker Its called property rights and 'scarcity power' and is how every single private organisation on the planet makes money. If you cant exercise scarcity power, you dont make any money. No business can get round this. To highlight these two industries in a way that tries to make you sound clever without understanding this make you a fucking idiot.

Also, when 'films' are performed 'live' isnt that called theatre?

Nah, I'm not really fussed. If they feel they don't earn enough from touring (which I spend a great deal on over the course of a year) they can get a proper job as far as I'm concerned. What about people like Burial? You cant tour music that is designed for dancefloors that easily. Should all films be free too then? A film isnt a performance, its packaged onto a media format and re-produced, in exactly the same way a CD is. Same principle, even if the analogy needs a little extra work. I'm not really fussed about him either. I've never said CDs should be free so I'm not sure where the analogy begins, never mind where it's working to. But then a film isn't packaged in the same way as a cd either, because most films are performed 'live' (as in for a paying audience) for a good length of time before getting a release on a high quality format people would be willing to pay for. Sorry, i only had a few minutes. The analogy works because its about art and copyrights. I think you know that though. If as soon as a film maker had made his film, proper high quality copies were circling on the internet for free, what do you think would happen to independent cinema? You can pretend you dont agree with this but when people circulate high quality copies of albums on the internet, thats what you're doing. As for CDs being free, the product is the music so its absolutely what you are saying.

Not surprised you believe in attempting to secure price rigging, even at the cost of everyone else's privacy rights. When they release downloads at a low enough price they sell a lot more and make a lot more total profit, problem is for most of the entirety of the 20th century recording companies could have their cake and eat it (i.e. price rig and gouge and still sell), and they are still stuck in that mindset. Internet piracy is the closest thing to free market competition the recording industry has ever faced, and they really don't like it. Recording companies will do pretty much anything in this cause, be it borderline/actual privacy infringements, or utterly illegal stuff like Sony's automatic root-kit installation from CDs (on windows anyway). As I'm sure you know, Law is all about who can buy it. Thats utterly pathetic of you to try (and i'll explain in a second why you're wrong again) to have a dig at someone because they said what they did for a living, when you dont have balls to say what you do yourself. I would have thought you would steer away from that given the conversations on here. You've dropped down a notch in my estimation. My best mate (who people on here know) is a recording artist, label owner and producer. He estimates 80% os his sales are pirated. I have direct personal experience of piracy affecting artists who are independent and trying to invest in themselves, i doubt you've even met a musician. Privacy rights? I think the right of an artist ranks higher than the right of someone to hide when contravening that right. Muppet. Downloads make more profit? So what? Whats that got to do with it?

Nah, I'm not really fussed. If they feel they don't earn enough from touring (which I spend a great deal on over the course of a year) they can get a proper job as far as I'm concerned. What about people like Burial? You cant tour music that is designed for dancefloors that easily. Should all films be free too then? A film isnt a performance, its packaged onto a media format and re-produced, in exactly the same way a CD is. Same principle, even if the analogy needs a little extra work.

Fly back over here. It's a must. Aye, should be back for the Valencia game so will be in the UK before its out here.

As a lover of music, i'd have thought you would support artists getting remunerated for their efforts?

Not out until 13th August

Is that west country?

Spain keep an eye on arse'shavin. EDIT - too late.

No offence Billy but you think Arsenal fans are knowledgeable? Most don't know football even existed prior to 2000. Maybe it just because they agree blindly with the tripe you lot feed them on a daily basis. Where as we pull you up on what your peddling. The self proclaimed "best fans in the world". Toot toot, sponge fingers, jester hats and airhorns all round. What the fuck are you on about now? I lived in north west London between 98 and 07 and made a lot of friends, mostly arsenal, all in their late 30's early 40's. The Spurs fans i met all turned into wankers when it came to football. Never liked them long before i met the boring juvenile types on football forums. One was called Gerald and was a lanky, sneering twat. Its not you is it?

It would probably be Coldcut's Journeys by DJ, Colin Dale's Outer Limits, DJ Hype's United Dance, Paul Oakenfold's Journeys by DJ, Tom Middleton's Sounds of the Cosmos (deep house mix) and Norman Jay & Giles Peterson's Desert Island Mix (also a Journeys by DJ comp). Probably missed a few off like. Edit: Sasha & Digweed - Renaissance. M.J. Cole's Back to Mine is class, highly recommend it. I dont think anything i've heard has surpassed the early Sasha Shelly's and Universe mixes. Leftfield's Not Forgotten with an acapella of Whitney Houston's I wanna Dance With Somebody scratched and then dropped over the top. Reese's - Rock to the beat with kid'n'Play's 2 Hype cut together too. Done live rather than mixed in a studio so much cooler. Heard that on a Sasha mix tape before. Pure class. Technical brilliance but it sounded very good too. Edit: Your mate Nick Warren's 'Back to Mine' is also excellent. Its on the KAOS / SOAK tapes from the Corn exchange in leeds (91). I was there for a couple of those. I need to get that Nick Warren GU album from Paris, for posterity obviously

Wasn't that the game when the muppets were chanting "Big Sam For England" can't remember if it was that game of the Pompey one. My memory is shit then as i was talking about that last night and said it was the city game just after xmas. I think you're right, it was the Liverpool game as some were claiming the scousers started the chant...

It would probably be Coldcut's Journeys by DJ, Colin Dale's Outer Limits, DJ Hype's United Dance, Paul Oakenfold's Journeys by DJ, Tom Middleton's Sounds of the Cosmos (deep house mix) and Norman Jay & Giles Peterson's Desert Island Mix (also a Journeys by DJ comp). Probably missed a few off like. Edit: Sasha & Digweed - Renaissance. M.J. Cole's Back to Mine is class, highly recommend it. I dont think anything i've heard has surpassed the early Sasha Shelly's and Universe mixes. Leftfield's Not Forgotten with an acapella of Whitney Houston's I wanna Dance With Somebody scratched and then dropped over the top. Reese's - Rock to the beat with kid'n'Play's 2 Hype cut together too. Done live rather than mixed in a studio so much cooler.

Keefaz? Are you saying he's a cu... fanny?

Billy Furious isn't a bad writer and he usually calls it right. Very true about the Euros. Anyway, I was surprised when the booing started in that match and it took me a few minutes to work out why. A bit pantomine matinee imo.

Le clunge de soleil isnt bad down here either.

It is pretty good. He must have thought Walking Into Clarksdale was canny shite if he felt the urge to re-record his own songs with someone other than Jimmy Page. The Raising Sand version of Please Read The Letter IS a mile better like. Dan Le Sac and Scroobius Pip should have been in front of Burial. Agreed, listened to Burial this morning on the way to work, was interesting but fairly basic stuff.

Danny, you're perceived as a wanker. Does that make it a fact? You're fancied 5th favourite by Skysports. Does that make it realistic?

and yet you cling to you "crap wum" moniker as if it were the only facet to your personality? Trust me that is opinion held by most, if not all, non NUFC. Just because you don't like it doesnt make it a wind up. No, its what your ill-informed media-lapping know-nowt mates think. Big difference. The media deals in simple stories as half its readership are below average intelligence and you dont want to alienate half the readership with complicated things like reality. You're a case in point. He walked out on you first time round, He walked out on Fulham, He walked out on England during qualifying, He retired at City......or did he. Those are the facts I dont need the media to tell me that when the going gets tough....KK gets gone. When you have to re-quote someone from less than 2 posts before you know you're dealing with a proper spacka. You said he bottled the jobs not that he walked out on the jobs. I've worked for 3 companies since i started my career, did i bottle the first 2 because i left them? All you've pointed out is the man left 4 jobs in a career now in its 5th role. Fuck me, you're as thick as Torres. Did you have another role to go into? This is about the reasons for leaving somewhere, not the pull of going somewhere else.

What's being favourite got to do with it. According to skysports you're 5th favourite for the title