PaddockLad
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Andy/Idioteque
I was sat with two Evertonians last night and they said that the two disallowed goals would overshadow the real issue for efc at the moment, Tim Howard. He shouldve saved the first one thats for sure, but theyve always said hes crap. They rolled out some of his his fuck ups eg v Chelsea in the cup final and v Liverpool last season, as well as him making mistakes in every game this season so far apparently. What are your thoughts?....
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Agreed...especially with 7000 empty seats at home
I thought Ajax Andy and Idieoteque both lived in the North East?.....good on the latter if he keeps his ST going and attends Monday night games that are shown on tv if thats the case. If not, and he lives on Merseyside, am wondering what he's doing on here in the first place?...free country like, but still...strange...
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I can't remember but Liege the year before we took at least 6000 when we only got 1.8k tickets
Belgium is a piece of fuckin piss to get to, Birmingham took 5000 to Bruges last season ffs. That proves fuck all. EFC are like us, a good away following. Although with your "glorious past" you should have a good following. Who'd bother to follow a side thats won nowt for over 40 years?
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Not sure what the allocation is, but I went to Liege, Alkmaar, Benfica and Nuremberg and we took at least 6k to each when we only got 1.8-4k tickets
Sold out our allocation for Ukraine when you had to pay for a visa too
You took a huge 10 to Sigma Olomouc according to efc website Blue Kipper
http://www.bluekipper.com/match/2010/78-sk_sigma_olomouc_vs_everton/away/andysrankin.html
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We wouldnt have accpeted the full allocation for last night, not with it being Monday night game on the box. When the club get a choice they always accpet the lower allocation. If we'd have failed to sell out our allocation there wouldve been a few stragglers sitting in the upper Bullens. And was Idioteque actually there himself or did he find something better to do with his time like the easier option of sitting at home/going to the pub to watch the game?
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As if Xisco can be used as an example to determine a 'change in policy'.
Relegation changed the policy, Xisco was put on a mammoth contract by those previously advising Ashley i.e. Dennis and his muckers.He's ploughed his own furrow since. Am not sure if we're stronger or not tbh, but this week we play Monday,Thursday then Sunday. Am really looking forward to seeing who's in the 11 on Thursday and how they perform, it will be a good indicator of whats likely to happen before Chrismas.
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Yes it does, we had a squad strong enough to come 5th last year. That squad is stronger, i couldnt give a fuck in this case whether its only a little bit stronger or not. There are 2 facts that count here, firstly it was strong enough to come 5th and secondly it is stronger today.
You and i would prefer for it to be stronger and annoyingly it could have been but lets keep some perspective.
Can't see how you can say we're stronger up front?...
Am really ambivalent at the moment, I think last season was such a surprise for many of us that its unwise to jump to conclusions after a stop start season up till now.
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I was being sarcastic, this buy to sell policy has been going 5-6 years? and unless I have missed someone we have bought exactly 0 players who we have sold on for a profit despite players like Tiote, Cabaye, Santon, Cisse, Ba, Krul off the top of my head obviously being worth more than we got them for.
its been going on since 24th May 2009
All the squad have a resale value, thats what Ashley wants. No deadwood. VFM. If you want an example of the previous policy try Xisco.
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This resale policy is going well with all the players we have bought and sold for a profit. VDW turned us down btw.
If I was VDW I would have as well...PSG, champs league, higher wages, no brainer really.
Thats the sort of situation where most clubs go back cap in hand to their original target and beg him to come....so it will be interesting to see what happens in Januaury. I agree the resale policy is going well. Doesnt make for a strong squad though.
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Ask Leazes Ma....oh wait...
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On the back of a full purse following the Hazard sale - they were not forced to sell him for peanuts. They wanted a reported 8-10 million which IMO would be fair for a nailed on first choice wingback for the next 5 years.
We offered less than they valued him at hence we didnt get him, simples.
Oh and Lee ryders backpedaling on his "fee agreed" article is cringeworthy
"Discrepancies regarding the transfer fee - which Newcastle believed to have been agreed"
You're seriously misreading Mike Ashley's game here if you reckon he thinks like that; heres a couple of words for you that feature high on his hitlist for a potential signing "RE-SALE VALUE".....theres more chance of Lord Lucan flying to the moon on the back of Shergar than us paying 8-10million for a 27 year old full back . Many on here agreed with this sort of policy last season...where are they now?.....
Theres something gone on because the player wanted to come. Ryder is closer to the club than any of us and if you take into account what the Lille boss man said you can see what is likely to have happened. I'm lead to beleive Gregory van der Wiel was who NUFC moved their attentions to, as he's 24 and eventually went to PSG for 5.28mill http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/gregory-van-der-wiel/transfers/spieler_45548.html Are you getting the drift here?...its not rocket science
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NEWCASTLE are next up at Goodison in a tasty looking night fixture against a side that feature in the ‘mini league’ of sides competing against us for fourth spot in the table.
Pardew’s outfit showed last season the benefit of getting points on the board early; only missing out on ECL qualification on the last day of a campaign in which they racked up 65 points to secure 5th spot, a figure nine more than our final total.
In the three meetings since Pardew occupied the St James hot seat we’ve won two out of three with the key differential being set pieces. We have scored from one in each of the three games so expect Pienaar and Jelavic to be looking to buy cheap fouls in and around the Newcastle 18 yard area that we can exploit.
The final game of last season showcased the minimal difference in quality between the sides and that at full strength we are arguably better equipped than the Geordies to put pressure on Arsenal who remain favourites for the final ECL slot.
Our dominance of last season’s fixture when Pienaar ran riot was such that both Newcastle full backs were given the hook at half time. Pardew is sweating on the fitness of key defensive personnel for this fixture with Danny Simpson’s injury making it likely that James Perch will again be tasked with policing the marauding Baines/Pienaar axis from right back.
Read More http://www.liverpool.../#ixzz26iWesXMq
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She still had all her faculties though when she stated that the cover up by the SYP which was implied in the Taylor Report was "depressingly familiar". Did fuck all about it though, and neither did anyone else. Am sure you could get some solicitor wanting to make a name for himself to say that that would make her complicit in the cover up. Dont know if it would stand up in court and obviously its irrelevant now due to her health, but still...
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I think you'll find internment was legal under the laws of the day. Just like it's modern day equivalent is legal today, thanks to the measures introduced under Labour. These days though the police don't really need to intern hundreds of suspects on the off-chance they'll get lucky though do they? Not when in this day and age they have access to a legally obtained list of all the muslims who were at a specific place at a specific time, or have used a specific phrase in an email or a text message in a specific time period. Or better yet, not now that they can contact the undercover policeman/spy that has infiltrated the relevant mosque or faith school. I never said the tories were the true defenders of civil liberties, I'm just trying to correct your warped recollection of the political history of these isles. Still, you keep believing you live in a nice free society because it's not the 70s/80s. The only way your mind apparently would be change was if you were lucky enough to be personally affected by it.
I dont as it goes, which you may have picked up as I acknowleged several reasonable points you made. Now hurry along to the thread on Alan Pardew's comments where your shocking lack of football knowlegde is being exposed...Ben Arfa had 13 caps for France when he signed for us
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Did the police arrest every Irish person in the UK after each IRA bombing? Of course they didn't. You're talking pure rubbish.
No, but they did illegally intern hundreds. That sort of thing doesnt happen today, under any government. So thats a good thing. Unless you're suggesting it isnt, which does rather go against your "tories are the true defenders of civil liberties" schtick. Anyway, this has run its course. You may now accept that theres two sides to everything, but something tells me that may not be the case. Have a pleasant evening
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You've got a serious case of the blinkers mate. 3 whole days? Thanks to Labour's proposed anti-terror measures, the cops could have locked up your dad for 90 days and 'interrogated' him. The Tories are the ones to thank for the fact that theoretically anything he said in that time should have been on a tape, although I'm not sure whether the police under Labour now have a legitimate way out of that too, if they think the person they're holding is a 'terrorist'. And what the fuck were the IRA if they weren't terrorists? When you compare the relative lethality of IRA attacks versus Al Qaeda ones on innocent Brits, when you compare the impact on the country of the 80s strikes versus the 90s/2000s demonstrations over the war or the environment or the cuts, then it's pretty clear which colour of party has a greater tendency to go batshit insane when deciding what idividual freedoms can be bypassed for the wider good.
Which is all fair enough, but did the police arrest everyone with a Moslem sounding name after 9/11 and the attacks on London in 2005? Logistically impossible for sure, but am sure you see what I mean. It was illegal in the mid 70s to do so too, but would the police have got away with it in the 21st century if they had the means to do so?...we're talking about the police acting with the backing of the state here. There was enough evidence against the copper who whacked the bloke who proceeded to have a heart attack and die for a prosecution to be brought. So not completely backed up in later years it would seem, a line in the sand was drawn, let alone rounding innocents up for internment.
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he's right, the season hasnt got going yet. But all this does smack of a (public) return to the days of "puppet Pardew"..
Perhaps it is too early to judge, closer to christmas may give a better view...Stoke got out of their Europa group last season...didnt do much for their league campaign mind
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We're talking about a police state here, not some plod who ended up humping half a dozen different nubile young hippie chicks in a field
huge difference between that and putting squaddies and special branch officers on entirely legitimate (at the time) picket lines don't you think?....although I do take your point about why it was felt that such a ludicrous operation was considered necessary in the first place. Labour became paranoid as the "war on terror" started to go tits up in Iraq and they lost the plot completely with some of the petty shit they introduced. But its nowhere near as draconian as some of the stuff that their predecessors in the 70s oversaw....my old man was interned for 3 nights sometime in the 70s for having the temerity to be working with a load of Irish lads at the time of an IRA atrocity...the police turned up at building sites all over the south of England and carted anyone with an Irish accent off for a few nights "interrorgation", which is a shocking abuse of police power, regardless of the small matter that my old man is Scottish! I came into this saying that you were wrong about this country being a police state and that things were a lot worse for huge numbers of UK citizens in the 70s and 80s and I stand by that. Huge numbers of ordinary people were en masse subject to stuff from those in power that would nowadays give Shami Chakribati a coronary iyam.
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I brought them into a discussion about how race riots supposedly only occur when tories are in power. And stop and search existed right through Labour's era. Tony Blair even reminded the police they existed, practically begging them to use it more to quell rising knife crime. You don't need Google for that, just a decent memory. As for Tottenham, how about you actually read some of the research done into it? They tend to be a little bit more rigorous in their analysis than whatever the hell it is you're going on.
As I've tried to explain, the police had little or nothing to do with the riots you mentioned. They had lots to do with the riots in the early 80s, which is when I feel we lived in something much more approaching " a police state", with infiltration by police/army/secret service of picket lines and the trades union movement in general, I think the government in those days used the power of the state to crush dissent. Labour introduced extreme measures because of terrorrism, the Tories allowed the police to persecute ethnic minorities with the misuse of ancient, outdated laws. Thats the difference. I was a little bit naughty mentioning Tottenham, but it did start as a result of the police shooting a unarmed black man. To be fair to the Tories,and despite what you say, they did abolish (in name) the sus laws, but it took the worst civil disturbances since the 18th century to get that to happen.
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My mistake. I got confused by your use of the words "not as much", and their normal English meaning of a graduated comparison. I don't need to Google SUS laws to know what they are, although you might need to as you don't seem to realise that they still existed throughout Labour's period in office. They're the party that didn't even repeal the anti-trade union laws FFS, so let's not pretend that the measures they introduce are only detrimental to the bad guys (as laughable as that idea is if you're applying it to stuff like RIPA).
2001 and 2005 (Bradford and Birmingham I presume?) had nowt to do with the police's misuse of sus laws and its a mistake on your part to bring them into a discussion about a "police state", as they were precipated by a. Bradford: shit being stirred up by the BNP and b. Birmingham: shit between the Asian and Afro Carribean communities. The point remains, major civil disturbances in this country were a lot more common in the 80s, mostly caused by police treating ethnic minorites like animals. The sus laws were supposed to be used for vagrants (thakyou google
) and were abandoned in the 80s, but were brought back in under a different name 5 months into the coalition's tenure, when they changed a Labour act (Section 60 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994) prohibiting stop and search on racial grounds. Less than a year later Tottenham exploded. Funny that. -
So the police or Labour had nothing to do with the riots of 2001 or 2005 then? Is ethnic tension only the government's fault when it's the Tories in power? As for the summer riots, I don't recall the 1980s riots being about thieving as much stuff as you can, nor do I recall them being made up of as many white rioters as ethnic ones. I also don't recall many 1980s rioters being shot point blank in the head while sitting on a tube train either, but if you insist that that kind of police state is less bad than the ones that supposedly exist under the Tories, who am I to argue.
Didnt really say anything was less bad, I said the extreme measures brought in under Labour were exceptional measures in exceptional times. Google "sus laws" and how they affected UK citizens every day of their lives in the 70s and 80s and how they precipitated the riots in Toxteth and Brixton in the early 80s.
Everton v Newcastle United ---- 17/9/2012
in Newcastle Forum
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I'll give you till the weekend