PaddockLad
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Phenomenal achievement. City fans deserve absolutely everything this year. Incredibly massive thing to do and frankly the only way City could have done it-just was never going to be plain sailing for them. Shaken a massive psychological hoodoo. Literally nobody but Man City fans knows what it's like to be a Man City fan, when you've got Man U wining everything for the best part of 20 years.
Absolutely phenomonal for them to do it today, can't be underestimated. That literally just leaves us now as the 'big' club of English football that never wins anything. Sad but true.
As you say, the KFC brigade isn't exactly a ringing endoresment but I think you subconsciously compare it to what it'd be like if NUFC actually won summat....there is literally no achievement in football that would be met with more delirium than if the toon won something. The city and region would just come to a complete halt. Nowhere outside of the North East is like that in the UK, it just isnt. So Man City's celebrations cant come anywhere close to that but they're still a million miles bigger than when Man U win anyhting, so they deserve it more than them at the very very least. Good.
Agree with all that....the old dear was brought up in West Gorton and Ardwick Green (Auntie Brenda was an usherette at the Appollo!
) so I've got half a dozen cousins whove been waiting alll their lives for yesterday.....those fuckers waiting for a bucket of shitty chicken will have been waiting approximately 2 seasons I'd imagine 
You're right about the comparison with how our lot would celebrate...a couple of mates said they ran into some Arsenal fans on the tube after they beat us in the cup final,had faces like smacked arses apparently, fuckin ungrateful twats
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Here at Knutsford serviced we're surrounded by fuckin citeh fans.....I asked one bloke why he wasn't jumping around in a fountain in Picadilly Gardens instead of queing for a fuckin KFC....didnt get a reply...some fuckers don't deserve what they get....
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How do revenues go up though?
I take what you and Gemmil are saying completely, am far from an accountant. But the bottom line is we don't borrow any more, we are, according to Dekka limited for revenue streams, so if we're going to grow its going to be via player sales. And in 18 months time when Xisco is off the wage bill we'll have little room for growth other than selling some more players.
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Sort of, as you say Smiths wages for next season have been budgeted for, so next season if we bring 2 players capable of playing in the perm lge in and give them 30k a week each we've spent Smiths wages to good effect. We lose the effect the following season when we have to find the 30k a week x 2 from that seasons budget which probably means selling HBA or Cisse next summer etc..
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Ok, Smith= 2 player's wages instead of one, but its not an income its a saving, but yeah, it could well be 2 players capable of playing first team football which he plainly wasn't. Did his contract have another year to run? If so its a benefit for one season.
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Do you think we'll bring any players in Brock? If so, will they be financed by the loss of Simpson, Loven & Guthrie etc on their own?.....
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Question for Brock and Baggio (or anyone else) how many players do you think we'll lose this summer?....you can give a champions league answer and a Europa league answer.... Ill go 3 if its europa league, Tiote, Demba and Krul, and 1 if its champs league i.e. Tiote. That's the ones theyre willing to sell, am not ruling out offers being accepted for Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Cisse etc...
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Don't agree with the last bit, and as I said there are examples of where incentives for foreign investment have worked very well in this country. There just isn't the will to do it because governments now leave things completely to the market. China hadn't opened its doors in 81 or 91 when Nissan opened and now its the most efficient car plant un Europe. China has had an huge effect for a decade no doubt, but the 25 years before that were a massive missed oppurtunity in this country.
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Am in the Lower Bullens tomorrow...think its got to be the oldest stand in the league which I quite like. It was designed by the celebrated Archibald Leitch who left his distinctive stamp (latticework barriers along the front of each tier, think the old stand at Villa Park) on dozens of stands, of which sadly only parts of 3 survive, the main stand at Ibrox, part of Fratton Park and this 1927 bulit stand at Goodison. The view admittedly is shite, but you will be standing in a rare piece of football history.
Can't think of many occasions when any team with nowt to play for has just laid down on the final day regardless of what was at stake for the opposistion. But if we start well and get an early goal I think we'll win this by a couple of goals.
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If this has been a 'transitional' season I'd take one every year please
Thats the point though....do you think if Cabaye and Tiote both leave we'll do it next season?...am sure you hope so (and so do I) but as luckyluke says its easier said then done.
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Yeah its very sad Ajax who've won the European Cup 4 times now very rarely feature in even the group stages. The other side of that though is Lyon in France who for me are what we are trying to replecate here at NUFC...and how they acheived a decade of great runs in the champions league using very similar policies to what we've had in the last 18 months are all detailed in the book Leazes was on about the other day. When they sold Essien to Chelsea they had Thiago to replace him at the club already. We're not at that stage yet but as long as we dont throw the baby out with the bathwater this summer and do it organically as Spurs have also done then I think we'll be going places. Good point about getting the income for chamions league runs in player sales instead but theres no real glory in every season being "transistional" for me.
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Well done to Pardew, I was livid when we sacked Hughton for him but he's been immense from the off.
Re players leaving, I'd like to think that seeing the club is a lot better placed than when they arrived, the likes of Cabaye, Tiote and Ben Arfa will want to stay at a club that is on the up.
I'm slightly worried that Pardew keeps saying that if Real/Man U etc come waving wads of cash then that will be that, I can only hope that the club does not PLAN to sell these players in the hope they can continually unearth young, cheap talent. A lot has been made of our success with this group after flogging our previous matchwinners but to do this on a consistent, cycling basis as some have suggested requires an incredible scouting network and a lot of luck, and I doubt that it is a model for continual improvement.
Spot on there like, but as Dekka has said "we now wipe our own mouth" financially. That means all costs on the playing side have to be generated by the club and that comes cheifly from players sales. We dont borrow any money nowadays, but fees paid for incoming players and wages paid to them are almost entirely down to getting huge fees for the current sqaud. Thats where we are and we've had a fantastic season, but as you say long term it will be interesting to see where it gets us.
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Im sorry like but we were / are talking about large scale manufacturing industry. These are not dna scientists we are talking about these are welders and assembly operatives and these type of jobs can and are being replicated everywhere.
You only need look at the amount of outsourced english call centres to see how ridiculous times are.
Big industry on the scale that was subsidised pre 1980 will never return here purely because of labour costs.
If you can give me any scenario where you think it will be cheaper for ships to be made on the Tyne rather than in China or Vietnam then I would love to here it.
It is cheaper you're right. But what is the value to the British economy (and indeed to British people) of keeping a large manufacturing base in this country? When the last yards on the Wear closed in the early 90s to be fair to the Tories the disaster was softened by the deal to bring Nissan to Washington. There were one or two other things like this, like Toyota in Derby, which is the only major city in the UK where the local authority isn't the biggest local employer and thats because of Rolls Royce, Bombadier (although thats a different story now because of the sheer short sightedness of the present government, the minister who gave the contract for the Crossrail trains to Siemens admitted he hadnt taken into considration the cost of job losses to feeder companies and the subsequent huge benefit payments required to be paid to those laid off instead of tax incomes paid in to the exchequer by the same people) and Toyota themselves. All good businesses,and all with labour intensive manufacturing plants at their core. This is what can be acheived if you make even a small effort to create jobs and keep the exisiting businesses vialble.
But in general the jobs created to replace those lost in our industrial heartlands in the last 30 years have been on a tiny scale to what was required to maintain those communities as decent places to live and bring families up. No government of any hue in that time has given even the tiniest shit while giving bullshitting lip service to "expanding the industrial base, exports etc",and then continuing to complain about mounting welfare costs. A fuckin ludicrous situation. The horse has bolted long ago on that one though, there are estates now where hardly anyone has worked in around 3 decades and they are hideous places to live. Tragic. You appear to support this "common sense" approach to business i.e. cheapest is best, but what is the long term cost to society in general? If the Tories had gone for broke and given even more support to foreign companies in the early 80s instead of leaving everything to the market it may have cost the country a bit of money and be against their core values, but we may all live in a better place today.
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Just listened to a snippet on 5live to be honest, I'll see if I can listen to a podcast of it or something. But as I say he did the same with Tiote earlier in the season. Long term selling 3 or 4 of our better players will be good for the club, I do understand that. But if things don't go our way tomorrow it will be very difficult to maintain a top 5/6 posistion if players leave for champions league football and we have to rebuild with at least 8 extra games next before Christmas alone. Even if we try to hang on to most of those we receive offers for the unrest caused by holding on to unhappy players priced out of a move to a manu or Real Madrid can be damaging too. Basically a huge amount riding on tomorrows game/s.
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Just heard Pardew on the radio making it pretty obvious he knows who will be making offers for his players this summer. Manu were linked with Cabaye in January and Chelsea with Tiote nearly all season it seems and Pardew "prepared" us for that possibility as well. We need champs league football to hang on to half the side next season in all probability. If Pardew can do as well next season as he's done this season he'll be manager of the fuckin decade.....well done on this season Alan, its been brilliant
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At no point have I said these numbers are even remotely relevant
They are if you're posting in this thread though...its what the thread is about
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Completly agree, Alex Turner is the best songwriter this country has produced since the 80s. Better than Gallagher, Albarn/Coxon, Betty Boo etc etc....
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so, again, how do you measure that?
attendance is limited by the size of the ground and there are plenty of glory fans who go to games
or are we all supposed to trust in your opinion as fact?
The only facts in this thread are that out of everyone who has bought that computer game, the group who say they support Newcastle are the 7th largest out of those who claim to support one of the 92 English clubs. This obviously doesnt count purchasers in England who say they support a foreign team and you can't judge a fanbase on who buys a computer game and who they claim to support on there (see Ant's post for details)
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The true measure of how Thatcher changed Britain (and lets face it she won three elections) is that the only way Labour could get back into power was to pinch the Tories clothes and become another tory party.
Thats what Blair did and most of the hardest grass root Labour supporters sat on their hands and did nowt because they were that desperate for power. Power over principles.
Sure she was single minded and ruthless in what she did and sure she got things wrong but she was about what was needed for the mess Labour had left us in.
Why anyone with any sense thinks a small sickly country with our economy could have continued to subsidise the coal industry, ship building and steel works against chinese peasants who would basically do the same job for 95% less wages amazes me.
My last word on this because its all been done before and quickly becomes very old board new board
The French and Germans continued to do it....but they may actually have given a fuck about folk who get their hands dirty for a living and not looked down their noses at them. Not to mention the social issues that that policy created in this country which now cost the country billions a year in benenfits and the culture it created.All this is widely derided by gobshites and loudmouths in the media and saloon bars who, like you, think she was mint when actually Thatcher laid the foundations for the fuckin mess we're in.
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is exactly how it's calculated, might as well rename it "how many ps3 fifa 12 owners have picked these teams"
for example, on the xbox it lists me as an AC Milan supporter, why did i choose them?
because when i go into head to head seasons i don't want to have to scroll to italy, and then to milan, so when you say you support them they're the default selected team.
Good grief....this is a "play game" rather than a football manager type thing?...
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It would be interesting to know how this is calculated.....cant see Arsenal having twice the fanbase of Liverpool tbh.
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TV has made everyone an expert. Even Paul Merson.
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If by some miracle England find themselves in the last 8 come the end of June, do I take it those not bothered or preferring France to do well will be consistant in their attitiude to how England fair overall?
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You are a complete fucking idiot
Our house was a happy one till the poll tax was introduced into Scotland....as a household the rates were based on the value of the house we lived in and were easily affordable.....then we went from owing a relative pittance (I forget the exact amount but the old man was a joiner and mum was a part time home help and they could easily afford to pay the rates between them) to owing the best part of £2000 p.a. between 5 of us with me,my brother and sister all basically on YTS wages. And if you didnt pay it was the courts for you. To illustrate how fair this was, the local "laird" is the Duke of Roxburgh, richest man in Scotland and I was paying the same rate of poll tax per annum as him. The present lot are helping their mates out and expecting the rest of us to pay for it too (see the last budget for details) . Thatcher caused untold misery in millilons of homes and cleetoonfan is comparing her actions to Blair wanting all kids in this country to go to University?.......I bet he was despserate to be a bricky when he left school as well....
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aint THAT the fuckin truth!
Amazes me, the amount of plastic scousers down here. What boozer were you in watching it mate?