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Last summer, after we'd just being promoted? You would have been any happier then?

Yes. Simple question for you. As you thinks he's not, tell me in footballing terms why Hughtons better. Never been relegated from premiership, never shagged a players wife (or at least never been caught) never turned up drunk for training. never been sacked by a Division 1 club. Has beaten Sunderland 5-1 and Villa 6-0 in the same season Has beaten Arsenal away. Now show me the proof that Pardew is better. Tbf you know exactly my point and rather than give it serious argument you throw tripe like that up. (Your choice though) The gang of four were probably responsible for last season and I would guess that Chris just carried on coaching with a few media duties thrown in as well. I dont see any evidence of anything different. all during last season and pre season, the conversations on here were that he was not good enough for the prem and that he would be gone by Christmas. Even this season we have discussed how he perseveres with players when everyone else can see its not working. He hasnt appeared to show hes a great tactician. Or that he makes good use of substitutions to change a game. Or that he's a brilliant man motivator. In hindsight in appears that he has also just been a yes man. Do I think Pardew will do any of the above better, probably. Its quite suprising how so few on here cant seem to rest their emotions to one side, sit back and think about things in reality. Parky can do it (but knows not to go too far ), Chez does it very well and even Happy Face talks sense. The Hystrionic brigade though.....Dear me. I reckon the solidarity in the side throughout last season after relegation and into this season speaks volumes of his ability to pick the players up. You've heard from Chris and the gang of four that it was them who held a no holds barred meeting after the Aldershot game and put the do or die togetherness in place. Nolan even said it was him that ran the dressing room. Short memories. What about picking the side up after heavy defeats? You'll be saying that was Nolan as well I suspect? I've got nothing against Pardew. Yet. Plainly many fans have. But surely even you can see the timing and manner of CH's departure is wrong. But tell me something. We're in 12th now and Pardew is to bring in an improvment. How much further up the table do you expect him to finish? Its a tough one though isnt it. Last year a few on here were saying great for getting us up but no good for the prem. Can you imagine if they sacked him a week after promotion? What about once the window had closed in January? (imagine the shit storm then) What about after 5-1? Its clear they didnt want him so really I cant see when else would have been right. With regard to Pardew, the fact that THEY TRUST HIM means he will get the coaching staff he wants in and will probably get money to spend. Those two points alone will benefit our chances of improving. It also seems that players are coming out saying good things about Pardews management skill rather than knocking them. We're in 12th now and Pardew is to bring in an improvment. How much further up the table do you expect him to finish? Hold on, when do you think the right time to sack him should have been (bearing in mind they didnt want him) ?

Yes. Simple question for you. As you thinks he's not, tell me in footballing terms why Hughtons better. Never been relegated from premiership, never shagged a players wife (or at least never been caught) never turned up drunk for training. never been sacked by a Division 1 club. Has beaten Sunderland 5-1 and Villa 6-0 in the same season Has beaten Arsenal away. Now show me the proof that Pardew is better. Tbf you know exactly my point and rather than give it serious argument you throw tripe like that up. (Your choice though) The gang of four were probably responsible for last season and I would guess that Chris just carried on coaching with a few media duties thrown in as well. I dont see any evidence of anything different. all during last season and pre season, the conversations on here were that he was not good enough for the prem and that he would be gone by Christmas. Even this season we have discussed how he perseveres with players when everyone else can see its not working. He hasnt appeared to show hes a great tactician. Or that he makes good use of substitutions to change a game. Or that he's a brilliant man motivator. In hindsight in appears that he has also just been a yes man. Do I think Pardew will do any of the above better, probably. Its quite suprising how so few on here cant seem to rest their emotions to one side, sit back and think about things in reality. Parky can do it (but knows not to go too far ), Chez does it very well and even Happy Face talks sense. The Hystrionic brigade though.....Dear me. I reckon the solidarity in the side throughout last season after relegation and into this season speaks volumes of his ability to pick the players up. You've heard from Chris and the gang of four that it was them who held a no holds barred meeting after the Aldershot game and put the do or die togetherness in place. Nolan even said it was him that ran the dressing room. Short memories. it was Orient like pal... Thats the one. Cheers

Yes. Simple question for you. As you thinks he's not, tell me in footballing terms why Hughtons better. Never been relegated from premiership, never shagged a players wife (or at least never been caught) never turned up drunk for training. never been sacked by a Division 1 club. Has beaten Sunderland 5-1 and Villa 6-0 in the same season Has beaten Arsenal away. Now show me the proof that Pardew is better. Tbf you know exactly my point and rather than give it serious argument you throw tripe like that up. (Your choice though) The gang of four were probably responsible for last season and I would guess that Chris just carried on coaching with a few media duties thrown in as well. I dont see any evidence of anything different. all during last season and pre season, the conversations on here were that he was not good enough for the prem and that he would be gone by Christmas. Even this season we have discussed how he perseveres with players when everyone else can see its not working. He hasnt appeared to show hes a great tactician. Or that he makes good use of substitutions to change a game. Or that he's a brilliant man motivator. In hindsight in appears that he has also just been a yes man. Do I think Pardew will do any of the above better, probably. Its quite suprising how so few on here cant seem to rest their emotions to one side, sit back and think about things in reality. Parky can do it (but knows not to go too far ), Chez does it very well and even Happy Face talks sense. The Hystrionic brigade though.....Dear me. I reckon the solidarity in the side throughout last season after relegation and into this season speaks volumes of his ability to pick the players up. You've heard from Chris and the gang of four that it was them who held a no holds barred meeting after the Aldershot game and put the do or die togetherness in place. Nolan even said it was him that ran the dressing room. Short memories. What about picking the side up after heavy defeats? You'll be saying that was Nolan as well I suspect? I've got nothing against Pardew. Yet. Plainly many fans have. But surely even you can see the timing and manner of CH's departure is wrong. But tell me something. We're in 12th now and Pardew is to bring in an improvment. How much further up the table do you expect him to finish? Its a tough one though isnt it. Last year a few on here were saying great for getting us up but no good for the prem. Can you imagine if they sacked him a week after promotion? What about once the window had closed in January? (imagine the shit storm then) What about after 5-1? Its clear they didnt want him so really I cant see when else would have been right. With regard to Pardew, the fact that THEY TRUST HIM means he will get the coaching staff he wants in and will probably get money to spend. Those two points alone will benefit our chances of improving. It also seems that players are coming out saying good things about Pardews management skill rather than knocking them.

Tee Hee

Amusing myself with all the hypocrites.

Yes. Simple question for you. As you thinks he's not, tell me in footballing terms why Hughtons better. Never been relegated from premiership, never shagged a players wife (or at least never been caught) never turned up drunk for training. never been sacked by a Division 1 club. Has beaten Sunderland 5-1 and Villa 6-0 in the same season Has beaten Arsenal away. Now show me the proof that Pardew is better. Tbf you know exactly my point and rather than give it serious argument you throw tripe like that up. (Your choice though) The gang of four were probably responsible for last season and I would guess that Chris just carried on coaching with a few media duties thrown in as well. I dont see any evidence of anything different. all during last season and pre season, the conversations on here were that he was not good enough for the prem and that he would be gone by Christmas. Even this season we have discussed how he perseveres with players when everyone else can see its not working. He hasnt appeared to show hes a great tactician. Or that he makes good use of substitutions to change a game. Or that he's a brilliant man motivator. In hindsight in appears that he has also just been a yes man. Do I think Pardew will do any of the above better, probably. Its quite suprising how so few on here cant seem to rest their emotions to one side, sit back and think about things in reality. Parky can do it (but knows not to go too far ), Chez does it very well and even Happy Face talks sense. The Hystrionic brigade though.....Dear me. I reckon the solidarity in the side throughout last season after relegation and into this season speaks volumes of his ability to pick the players up. You've heard from Chris and the gang of four that it was them who held a no holds barred meeting after the Aldershot game and put the do or die togetherness in place. Nolan even said it was him that ran the dressing room. Short memories.

Only reason I don't think he is, is because he's bitten when I've put wind up posts about S Tyneside up.

Uh oh, Trent posse's here.

Yes. Simple question for you. As you thinks he's not, tell me in footballing terms why Hughtons better. Never been relegated from premiership, never shagged a players wife (or at least never been caught) never turned up drunk for training. never been sacked by a Division 1 club. Has beaten Sunderland 5-1 and Villa 6-0 in the same season Has beaten Arsenal away. Now show me the proof that Pardew is better. Tbf you know exactly my point and rather than give it serious argument you throw tripe like that up. (Your choice though) The gang of four were probably responsible for last season and I would guess that Chris just carried on coaching with a few media duties thrown in as well. I dont see any evidence of anything different. all during last season and pre season, the conversations on here were that he was not good enough for the prem and that he would be gone by Christmas. Even this season we have discussed how he perseveres with players when everyone else can see its not working. He hasnt appeared to show hes a great tactician. Or that he makes good use of substitutions to change a game. Or that he's a brilliant man motivator. In hindsight in appears that he has also just been a yes man. Do I think Pardew will do any of the above better, probably. Its quite suprising how so few on here cant seem to rest their emotions to one side, sit back and think about things in reality. Parky can do it (but knows not to go too far ), Chez does it very well and even Happy Face talks sense. The Hystrionic brigade though.....Dear me.

Aye 5 minute interview on Talksport arselicking him. I'm struggling to think of a time where two more gifted players were used less frequently than two utterly shite players as Harewood and Mullins, you could even throw Reo Coker in. To be fair, Tevez and Mascherano were shite the day we played them under Pardew. Was a while back now but i do remember 'where's your argies gone' being sung after they were both substituted. Tevez at half time then Mascherno for Benyoun early in the second. The day Harewood, who came on for Tevez, put Given in hospital. If I recall from press reports did he not leave Teves and the other guy out because they were brought in without his knowledge ala KK / Xisco? Your footballing knowledge summed up right there tbh We dont all play football manager No, but we all are football fans, and not only were they a massive story when they joined West Ham, they were fairly successful at the clubsthey joined and one has been in and out of the headlines for his entire stay in England, yet you can't spell his name. Hey, how about you learn something about football before having a dig at others? Seriously, you occupy a position not only in direct opposition to the general consensus, but in direct opposition to unavoidable evidence. It's boring. Ive mentioned countless times on these forums that I have very little interest in football matters other than Newcastle. You however constantly drop into these threads without any attempt at joining in with opinions of your own about the topic being discussed. Grow a pair for gods sake and stop Ba'ing

Yes. Simple question for you. As you thinks he's not, tell me in footballing terms why Hughtons better.

The bottom line is that as with KK,too many wont take part. The ground is full of lots of Grandads, lots of families, lots of kids etc who just wouldnt get involved.

Im guessing its a lot longer since you've been to a game than you say because every game you cant fail to see idiots who've wandered in 20 minutes late and are looking for their seat. I dont believe that they could legally lock out anyone with a valid ticket. I was talking about locking out as a vindictive action.

Aye, quite a few 14 year olds turned up with their white lightning for the KK March The very notion that Ashley gives a fuck what the fans think, that it's a democracy whereby people power will make a difference, is evidently cloud cuckoo land. Do protesters believe he's unaware that we despise him and want him out? We've been singing about it for years. Nothing to be achieved by making tits of ourselves with more bedsheets on national TV. If anything, it just makes it look like we've come round when there's no organised protests at the games after this one. As has been the case when any of the past furore's have died down. Rather than what Llambias can call the "unreasonable minority" having a one off protest, why don't the entire stadium let them know what we think...at EVERY game. You'll get the accusations of unerving the players etc when this season is all about grinding out results. I would have said the best time to protest is half time with lots of chanting, but then people would miss their pies

I guess theyd lock you out after 5 minutes.

Aye 5 minute interview on Talksport arselicking him. I'm struggling to think of a time where two more gifted players were used less frequently than two utterly shite players as Harewood and Mullins, you could even throw Reo Coker in. To be fair, Tevez and Mascherano were shite the day we played them under Pardew. Was a while back now but i do remember 'where's your argies gone' being sung after they were both substituted. Tevez at half time then Mascherno for Benyoun early in the second. The day Harewood, who came on for Tevez, put Given in hospital. If I recall from press reports did he not leave Teves and the other guy out because they were brought in without his knowledge ala KK / Xisco? Your footballing knowledge summed up right there tbh We dont all play football manager

If I understood it Id try

As always Fish, another great footballing contribution.

Aye 5 minute interview on Talksport arselicking him. I'm struggling to think of a time where two more gifted players were used less frequently than two utterly shite players as Harewood and Mullins, you could even throw Reo Coker in. To be fair, Tevez and Mascherano were shite the day we played them under Pardew. Was a while back now but i do remember 'where's your argies gone' being sung after they were both substituted. Tevez at half time then Mascherno for Benyoun early in the second. The day Harewood, who came on for Tevez, put Given in hospital. If I recall from press reports did he not leave Teves and the other guy out because they were brought in without his knowledge ala KK / Xisco?

People (including me) accepted they had been proven wrong. You bizarrely appear to have decided you were wrong to back him when previously your posts related to him being the man to keep us safe. He gets us to 11th recording some record wins on the way and you change your view. You truly are a bizarre individual. Of course there wouldnt, putting in a proven Premiership manager would have given a statement of intent that was at least positive. We can all think Hughton was doing a great job but hes still not proven in a full Premiership season, replacing him with someone who has exceeded at that level would be shitty on Chris but fair enough for the club. Pardew on the other hand has already proven he has not got what it takes for the Prem. 2 Clubs, 2 relegations. On that logic, lets replace the nanny Mary Poppins with Ian Huntley. I must have missed that breakdown because as far as I can see he will be paid 4 x £450k when hes sacked next year for not getting us back out of the Championship. Unfortunately we will. And still in all of that no talk about Hughtons football managing abilities / strengths.

Who's comparing him to them though? We're comparing him to Hughton and the job he was overperforming in to start with. Having cooled off after the initial shock, (something not many seem to have done yet), the latent love for Hughton as a footballing manager is bizzare. Even when we were doing well last season, most on here (probably except over optimistic me) thought he wasnt good enough for the prem. People should go and read what they were posting 6 months ago! (and they call me contrary). The lack so far of any comments about missing Hughtons footballing managerial qualities is pretty telling. I also dont buy the line that he was a rotweiller behind the scenes. Bazillian Bob is right to a degree, it could have been a lot worse and as Ive said before, had the replacement being so called "top drawer" there wouldnt be half the fuss there is now. With regard to Pardew his record is extremely average but the one good thing he feels he is a wronged man out to prove a point and that can be quite a motivator. He also has a contract that seems to have an awful lot of get out clauses in it so there is no big pay day for failure. We'll see how he does.

Aye, quite a few 14 year olds turned up with their white lightning for the KK March

We could just save ourselves a whole lot of bother by getting in the car, driving down to Derbyshire and doing him and his house over. Just a thought I don't think you'll find a car, minibus or coach large enough to accomodate everyone who wants to dish out a kick of two to his kidneys to be fair 10:4 good buddy We got ourselves a convoy EDIT: actually all joking aside, a large scale peaceful protest outside their houses would be more likely to succeed than anything at the match. Another one of my suggestions in the post Keegan days....

Good luck with it. The Keegan one was canny.