LeazesMag

in a nutshell again. This Liverpool "misfortune" sour grapes is funny, as is the desperation to "prove" they are doing it all wrong and ought to be doing it like we are doing instead. I think most people are just enjoying it while it lasts. I'd be surprised if many posters would bet against Liverpool finishing above us next year. of course, aren't we all, but it what you say is true, why is there so many people disagreeing with me when I point out the difference in policy which will most def ensure this is what happens in the longer term ? Particularly one poster who has jumped in twice already on the last page in this very thread and said absolutely nothing at all apart from make silly remarks as usual ?

hopefully going to Wigan, we have applied for tickets, I've never been there and looking forward to it and staying overnight too. There should be good support and it could be the last time we play them for a while. Their rise through the leagues has been superb for them, well done Dave Whelan but it was never going to last forever.

in a nutshell again. This Liverpool "misfortune" sour grapes is funny, as is the desperation to "prove" they are doing it all wrong and ought to be doing it like we are doing instead.

answer what I asked you if it is so wrong, shitforbrains.

why don't you shut the fuck up yourself until I ask you something, as you didn't bother replying when I did ask you to comment on what I've been saying for years that you say is "rubbish" but is happening. Hopefully your mate will see this unasked for interruption and not blame me for it.

exactly. Liverpool have one trophy in the cupboard, are 7th in the league and in the semi final of another major cup, to "show for their money". These sort of knee jerk short term reactions, based on one season or a short run of results, that try to "prove" selling and replacing is a viable alternative to genuine ambition and building and improving, are a joke. Anybody who knows anything about football knows such policies do not succeed in the long run. I would say that the new model of sell and replace has never been tried in the long run. Yes teams in the lower divisions have sold and then replaced but have they had the opportunity to scout the globe and look for players possibly better than what they sold. The answer has to be no. However We are trying to improve our financial standing as well as on the pitch. This has to be done to fit in with eufa's fair play rules. Does anyone know how many clubs actually adhere to the new rules? "sell and replace" has been in operation for decades by all the clubs who do absolutely nothing apart from a few short term seasons of rising to a decent position which is never sustained, never seriously challenge the big clubs, and ultimately get relegated, including NUFC in the 1960's, 70's, 80's and in the last 4 years. The "new rules" won't change a thing if the owners don't want to show ambition and mount a challenge, they still won't do it.

do you talk to yourself ?

exactly. Liverpool have one trophy in the cupboard, are 7th in the league and in the semi final of another major cup, to "show for their money". These sort of knee jerk short term reactions, based on one season or a short run of results, that try to "prove" selling and replacing is a viable alternative to genuine ambition and building and improving, are a joke. Anybody who knows anything about football knows such policies do not succeed in the long run.

Barcelona or Real Madrid will win the European Cup. NUFC will finish 6th. I haven't the foggiest who will win the FA Cup, if its Everton then we lose out.

it takes 2 to tango. People abuse me, if you want to go down that road, but I don't whinge about it. I would prefer an intelligent response, such as when I asked to explain what exactly is "rubbish" that I've posted for the last 4 years or so. But I didn't get any response at all, did I, other than being called a "madman". Which is the most abusive between that and calling someone a stupid cunt ? Instead the admin guy puts me in the sinbin instead of his mate. Why do you not reply to the whole post ?

I could go on but can't be arsed, there are dozens at least. Leazes you are unquestionably one of the most, if not the most, abusive posters on this forum. People may wind you up but that is really no excuse and your vitriol is unparalleled once you get going. I think others would have been banned long ago for less. I'm not calling for your banning, just making that observation. Most of those are responses, however a certain member of the forum, or two, are deemed OK to post comments such as "here is the madman" when they see me login for no reason whatsoever ? Perhaps he is a mate of one of the admin people, so that makes it OK ? We won't mention the fact that I made a serious effort a few weeks ago to ask what exactly he has called "rubbish" regarding what I have posted about the football club for over 4 years now, and I got no response other than the normal childish comments in other threads ? Is this different, or do you need to have a mate on the admin ? That post still stands, there has been no reply, because what I say is spot on and has been and is the direction the club is going. Whatever. People do not "wind me up", if anything the reverse is the truth. Interestingly, I have made a few comments in the thread about debts and the direction of the club and completely agreeing with a statement made by HF, which have not been replied to either. If people are able to prove me wrong, why don't they do it with the facts ? Plenty of people "abuse" me, or accuse me of saying things I have never said [the West Brom comments being a perfect example] but the difference is I don't whinge like a big baby about it.

not in exchange for Ameobi and Best ?

if Everton lose to Liverpool in the FA Cup then we will be in the Europa whatever combination of other results. Its as simple as that really, what a load of fuss.

see the very first post in the thread. As I said, those I've named have been said to be more knowledgeable than me. I'm sure they would do toontastic proud.

I think if it is someone from toontastic, it should be someone who would have a broad agreement with the views of the majority, which clearly isn't me. I wouldn't like to speak on behalf of the majority that hold a different view of the current situation and the future development of the club, wouldn't be fair IMO. There are plenty of knowledgeable posters, who have supported the club for a long time ie Gemmill, mancmag, Craig, jaysouthernmag, Toonpack, Gloomy to name a few that would portray the majority view. I've been informed that they are more knowledgeable than me, so its all theirs.

I'm surprised there is nobody prepared to put forward the representative views of the majority on here.

You'll soon get used to Leazes. In the previous post he asked "how can you disagree with logic?". Stick around and he'll put a fucking clinic on for you. any reason for that ? And who said what you are claiming ? Or [note for your mate] is it different for you ? Try to be constructive and explain what exactly you disagree with for a change instead of making things up.

Are you arguing against yourself? Let's take Liverpool as an example. £150m spent, yet they're below us and are building their team around an ageing captain with dodgy groins and hamstrings. Would you like us to follow their approach? Liverpool's approach is the same as that which has won them a shitload of trophies over 40 years, including a big shiny trophy recently. Would you prefer us/preferred us to adopt the sell and replace policy of now instead ? It is the policiy adopted by every successful club there has ever been. Just because it isn't so successful in recent times as in the past doesn't make it wrong, this is down to personnel and the fact that there is only 3 trophies and a few other european places to define "success", not the policy. I have a feeling that this gloating of Liverpool's "misfortune" will be short lived, to be honest. Unfortunately.

We'll get to next January, we'll be doing alright, probably top half and putting some decent performances in and we'll still be saying the same things I won't reply to that last post as I basically said, you were saying this last year and you were wrong and his response is, this year I will be right. Perfectly entitled to the opinion but it's just that, opinion, our fortunes could go either way based on a whole set of compex issues and variables. We'll see but I reckon we'll keep pushing forward. Working from home btw, when am not travelling I stay at home which has its decent points and has its drawbacks, like 'waking up 15 mins before meetings start on phone' and 'not washing or getting dressed' like a dole tramp. top half ?

The income tax / pensioner argument has absolutely nothing to do with the football industry! Usually, rich people invest in companies because they want to make money out of them. Rich people don't like to waste money. And eventually, they'll want to make money from football. Spending £250k a week on the wages of one player and failing to win a single trophy (just like Man City may manage this season) looks like a waste of money to me, and the rich Arabs will take their toys home. Like I explained above, the cash hasn't been withheld - 75% of the Carroll sale and associated saving in wages has gone on paying for Ba and Cisse and associated wages. How can you disagree with logic? you can't guarantee anything in football though, simply spending money doesn't equal automatic success - if you take a shot at goal might not score but if you don't take a shot you won't do it anyway. Man City may not win the league, in fact I've always thought ManU would win the league, but from a Man City perspective, finishing 2nd is a damn sight better than playing in the 3rd division like they were a decade or so ago.

It's not "normal operating costs though" - it's replacing our star striker with TWO star strikers! And yes, clubs should only spend their profits. Why should one club be allowed to be sustained like a plaything by a rich Arab, whilst others have to live within their means, despite bringing in similar levels of revenue? If you sell your best players but replace them with more players and better players, that isn't going backwards. I take it you'd like to see us ditch Cabaye, Ba, Cisse et al and re-sign Barton, Nolan and Carroll - all of whom are playing for clubs below us in the league table. "Why should one club be allowed to be sustained like a plaything" ............. too idealistic. It's the same as saying "why should the rich get a 5% income tax cut while pensioners get fuck all". Its just the way it is. You've got to get on with it. The reality, the absolute reality, is do you want success or not ? Why not have Ba, Cisse and Carroll on the books ? As Cisse only cost 10m quid, why not sell Best and Ameobi to fund it ? Sorry mate, I'm not explaining again what history shows happens when you consistently sell your best players and witthold the cash from your manager, I've tried doing that enough times and got thrown in the sin bin for it because too many people "disagree".

So it was a post asking me whether we would continue making progress? Ok, then let's go back to this time last year where I said in my boldest of predictions that the first team would be stronger this season than last season. it's in the prediction thread, is referred to everywhere on here and formed a significant part of my toontastic oeuvre at the end of last season. I repeat the same prediction and this time, having seen how fucking spot on I got it last time, maybe people will pay a bit more attention. The continued improvement in finances and the set up of the club will see a stronger first team next year. It won't have 5 new superstar signings, it may even not include a face or two from this year's first team picture but we're going to look better next year, we're going to address significant weaknesses and, here I am out in a bit of a limb, we're going to bring in some fucking class young players from France. We might lose Tiote and you might come on here and say exactly the same things you said when we lost Nolan but none of that will matter because firstly, I've seen a player called Perch doing a reasonable impression of a defensive midfielder and secondly, there are some fucking superb DM's plying their trade over in France, not guaranteed to be as good but let's face it, the team who identify and bring in transfers are currently the highest performing team in England. I stand by what I've said for years and has been rubbished by some, and I'm not typing it out again. I did it again a few weeks ago and nobody responded. Everybody who knows anything about football knows that you do not succeed if you sell your best players consistently and witthold cash from your manager and in effect don't back him. One transfer window and one decent season in 5 years changes nothing, especially the policies of the club which are the same as always and are not going to change. They will go back to selling players if they don't make profits, in fact they will sell players even if they do, and this summer is going to prove that they will still sell if the offer is acceptable and the money will not be given to the manager. They bought Cisse in January, but the only reason they didn't make a sale is because nobody came in and bid for one of our top players, or they would have gone, don't kid yourself.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Depreciation Sadly, this doesn't change the fact that if you want success in football, you back your manager and a big club like NUFC with the 14th biggest revenues in the game ought to be able to hand the entire cash from a sale to its manager and back him in this way. The cash doesn't just go on the transfer fee though - it's on the wages too. So, we sell Carroll for £35m, also saving £40k per week in wages. Over the four years of his contract remaining, this gives us around £43m net benefit. We then pay £6m in fees for Ba, plus around £50k per week (after bonuses, ish). £50k per week on 3 year deal is £7.5m We then pay £10m for Cisse, plus around £50k per week (after bonuses, ish). £50k per week on 5 year deal is £12.5m Already we have spunked £36m on those two players, when you take the wages into account. And I've not even considered Cabaye, the permanent Ben Arfa signing, Tiote's new deal, Coloccini's new deal, Krul's new deal... Liverpool worked it in the same way. They got £50m for Torres, so spent £35m on transfer fee and allowed £15m on Carroll's wages. Financial prudence is the way to go now. the way you describe that, suggests that everybody bar the 2 sugar daddy clubs and Manu because of their globab appeal, are selling their best players to the sugar daddy clubs and using the money towards normal operating costs. NUFC are one of the biggest clubs in europe not just the UK. And did Liverpool get Suarez for free ? How many premiership clubs, and top european clubs, make profits ? Are you saying nobody should be spending anything other than clear profits ? What if your profit is say, 1m quid, what if - like the vast majority of clubs - you make losses ? Football is a loss making industry. This is the reality. You don't add up like that in football, football is different business, if you sell your best players consistently, you go backwards. Which does absolutely nothing for your accounts and that is patently obvious.