NJS

I was just thinking today that they stopped picking us for their live games when it became obvious we weren't going to fail.

In my mind when he whinged the ref said "I just fucking warned you, you thick, fat Yorshire cunt"

I don't think we've kicked a decent ball all season so that's quite appropriate. I'm usually an optimist but unless we're sold I see absolutely no reason to celebrate.

Not all teams who have spent have gone as bad as Leeds - but West Ham, Boro, Sunderland, Villa to an extent and being harsh Newcastle are all in bad shape financially without anything but near misses to show for it. I'm not saying its wrong to try but the spend and be damned attitude is coming home to roost now and I can see a lot more clubs struggling.

You imply that our income and or potential should make debt an easy option - as I said if genuine income only adds up to an "average" amount to spend then debt would be the only option. Of course what I'm happy to see and what I see as reality are two different things - that's why as I said I'm resigned to mediocrity.

How is asking where the money would come from a unacceptable question LM? What budget for transfers/wages do you think even a maximum level of STs and merchandise + TV Money gives? - I'd guess not enough for survival - maybe £20m. So where would your money come from? The alternatives are Ashley speculating which is a fair demand but unlikely and debt. It looks like a few special cases aside, large debt would not be a possibility. A request for credit in 2010 is infinitely different to a request at anytime under Shepherd. Your suggestion that Ashley or anyone else could simply ask for £50m say is a non-starter. I think large debt being available now is unlikely as it was pre-Hall. So Man City type purchase aside, maybe the only hope we have for the future is to concentrate on youth development etc - I've certainly accepted that the days of spending millions on players which you seem to suggest is feasible is a non-starter. This isn't a defence of Ashley btw - I think he either needs to sell up quick or he really does need to speculate to make his money back - the halfway house we're heading for will result in relegation imo but we also have to consider what happens if he does go - a Barry Moat type takeover would just lead us directly to the scenario I describe above.

Anyone see Gannon mention the league cup win in his interview? - you beat the kids you stupid cunt - now fuck off back to where you belong.

I think its regional meaning as opposed to the Jock version adds "ownership" in that form.

(Even expecting a probable decent eventual result) I hope we do have a couple of more games like this before the end of the season - it might wake people up that as it stands, we still have a shit squad and will be extremely lucky imo to stay up next year. As long as shit like Ameobi and Pancrate are considered fringe first teamers, there remains no hope. I'd also state that a team selection which screams of a lazy, token effort with gaining promotion at home seen as a plan B/preferable option, is indicative of the usual contempt for fans who go to away games.

I saw him on SSN earlier and I have to say I got the impression he'll quit at the end of the season - a lot of stuff about how far he'd taken the club and whether it could go further.

I think it was internal Tory party polling in the wake of the riots rather than the riots themselves that convinced them to drop it. It should also be noted that that's when they increased VAT to 17.5% as a temporary measure to produce a "one off" reduction of £150 (which would incidentally mean most people would be worse off over a year). It sounds fair in principal but the sudden shift from rich to poor was a bit too instant imo - personally I'd support a local income tax - though I think the argument that house value was an unfair measure of wealth was bollocks - they always used to use the example of someone who'd inherited a house but who wasn't well off work wise - well sell the fucker then.

Has the cunt been looking in the mirror again? How would any time wasted by the police on trivial complaints (which have always been a part of their job anyway) compare with the time they waste on the "war" on drugs which he and his paper supports to the hilt?

The Scouse Cunts in their heyday, Man Utd and at International the Germans have all absolutely thrived on other people's hatred. I think the English national team have been pretty much a failure in my lifetime because of their inability to do the same.

An entertainingly insane fuckwit on Fox News - his latest classic was to proclaim that anyone who talked about "Social Justice" was either a Stalinist or a Nazi.

littlejohn To be fair, despite the insanity I do recognise some salient points in the fact that there has been a failure to tackle the underclass. However a non-recognition that it was created by Thatcher makes it hard to take seriously. I've always thought that what I've always called the "generations of scum" (though mostly through no fault of their own) problem to be one I have no real idea how to solve and I don't think anyone else, least of all the Tories, has either.

My pyramid of hatred has always gone SAFC/MUFC-LFC/SWFC-THFC-NFFC - Forest have always had their place because of what I described in the thread the other week about the 95/96 season which is why I was quite pleased we beat the scabby cunts more than any notion of gaining pointless promotion. That forum post is an example of something I've begun to relish - I like the fact that minor cunts all over the country now seem to hate us - it gives me a warm feeling inside.

^ Glenn Beck or Richard Littlejohn? - I find it hard to tell them apart.

It's about 780 miles I think - you could do it in a day (traffic permitting) but you'd need two drivers imo.

The thing is Ellliot was what I call a "footballer" - the way he addressed the ball (using a golfing tem) for me showed he had talent beyond people simply making a living out of the game - see Scott Sellars for another example and also why I'd choose Peacock over Guttierez.

No thinking involved whatsoever - all Keegan's players.

Yeah any system where control over kids is entrusted with an organisation is vulnerable to bad apples. I think the CC deserves the abuse because of their supposed moral superiority.

The thing is all of these scandals are breaking in the first world where the media, the internet and "decent" justice systems are all doing their best (though could do a lot better for example prosecuting the Irish bishops). My sympathy is for the thousands who will being abused in the third world with impunity - probably for decades to come. I would have a lot of problems with the Catholic Church even if not one person had ever been touched - however this issue is almost a "magic bullet" in what I hope will be its downfall - though obviously that doesn't mean I'm glad people were abused.

In 2001 he insisted every case was passed to him - imo that makes him repsonsible for any cover up since that date. They've just changed the law to prevent "frivolous" prosecutions for prosecutions brought by members of the public against foreign vistotors - I'd love to force the CPS to tale a look at his personal involvement before he arrives in September.

It was as simple that a deal was done with the Germans to make sure they voted for England for Euro 96 - England trying to get the 2006 was a renege on that deal.

I think the government got it wrong when it starting passing extra offences post 2001 to somehow empahsise religious hatred. I think within law there's always been a clear difference between "Christians/Hindus/Jews/Muslims are idiots for believeing nonsense" and "Christians/etc should be killed and I encourage it".