NJS

I thought it was a concept failure - if you're going to build a phallic symbol you should at least make it phallus shaped rather than sort of tit shaped.

I was fully supportive until the Americanism popped up.

That was a calculated gesture so he could challenge Thatcher for the leadership - the idea of a Tory caring abouty a workforce is fantasy.

What bugs me is that the last couple of Sky games have included phrases like "the usual turnout despite the inconvenient kick-off " - a kick-off which is completely down to your channel you twats!!! I was contemplating a weekend job for Plymouth - complete pisser.

I remember when Mark Thomas did a show on the Millenium Dome and the way Hestletine (and Mandelson to be fair) ignored perfectly reasonable questions and wouldn't even speak to him beacuse they knew they were screwed was beyond ignorance.

One thing that gets me is that there are some Tories who are obvious twats like Tebbit but I'd say at least he's an honest twat. People like Hestletine somehow get a reputation for being a more reasonable person which is frankly bullshit - just beacuse Hestletine stuck his knife into Thatcher doesn't mean he isn't/wasn't a cunt.

Written by cunts who've never seen a proper NCB or shipyard donkey jacket of course.

I've been saying that for years - antidotes available on licence. Anybody who goes abroad to breed would be denied re-entry to the country.

I know where we both stand on religion but I found that case a couple of years ago when that woman's kid got shot (I think in Liverpool) and she said as a Christian she forgave their killers to be incredibly affecting. Maybe a lesson we could all use even if I don't think many could do so.

I don't think ytou can say that without knowing what their family life was like - as I said if it was anything like those two kids in Doncaster, I'd pity them rather than condemn them. Of course I don't accept the supernatural definition of "evil" - I've always defined it for myself as people who know what they are doing is wrong and do it anyway - say like the Krays - I don't think kids like this who have had a shitty family life would know what was right and what was wrong.

I don't mind people wanting capital punishment and enjoy arguing the case without indignation as you put it - however I stand by my comment that people who demand it for 10 year olds are twisted (though realised AP was joking).

I think the media completely let Cameron off with that and I think he should have been shot with shit for it. It marked a low I didn't even think a Tory was capable of.

Public attitude can be a problem with rehabilitation though - I remember the outcry a few years ago when they came up with that scheme of sending joyriders abroad on "Jollies" but the results were excellent in terms of re-offending compared with the usual short, sharp shock. Much like your point about spending, people don't want to know that treating people like humans can bring better results for society than treating them like scum. I'd add a proviso that I'd limit the "human" approach to first offenders.

As far as I know it worked okay with Mary Bell.

I suppose this was a test for the rehabilitaion side of things rather than the punishment one - maybe this breach shows they failed in that but we won't know until there's more details. You also have to consider mental illness in some cases - I read something in The Guardian saying Sutcliffe shouldn't get out because of his hate crimes against women but someone replied that its a question for his doctors now and not for the law in the strictest sense. Basically he shouldn't have been tried as "sane" which I think has confused the process now.

I think nearly of all of the civilised world have stopped now though so it would very hard to go back - I can't see how anywhere with the death penalty looks more civilised or has any better crime rates as a consequence. Something like 95% of murder are heat of the moment jobs - I can't see how a "deterrent" would stop that or be appropriate in many cases (though I acknowledge theres a few where I understand the appetite).

RIP - wrong leader at the wrong time but I still think he was a great man.

I like that one. I still think Glue is his best as I might have said on here before.

As for me I'm in a bit of a re-read mood - I just re-read the Richard Morgan Kovacs trilogy which is top drawer. I also read the lates Dean Koontz one which I found to be a pale shadow of his earlier novels. The premise was good but it was just too brief and shallow. In "protest" I bought one of his early novels (Strangers) which I must have read 20 years ago which I'd lost which definitely has the depth lacking in the latest (Breathless).

As Jimbo said they are different to the films (but good). You might find the novels a bit harder to follow compared with the films as they are set in the 60s/70s iirc and a lad of your age might be unfamiliar with the context of the politics etc.

I remember when Cole was sold to Man U there was a similar thing with a bloke who had a tattoo of him but my thoughts was it didn't matter if he'd left as the bloke had done the business for us. I suppose he could claim the album will always be known by that moniker anyway - still a sad twat though. Having said that loads of blokes get their lasses name which you could say is just as potentially short term.

I always thought 10 was too young to write people off but then again I couldn't imagine 10 year olds wanting to kill. However I'd compare them with the two kids in Doncaster where it was horrible parents that produced them - I don't believe in inherent evil. As for this revelation it shows what I've always thought - the police are always willing tp breach confidentiality for a few quid from a tabloid. As for wanting to hang 10 year olds - barbarism at its finest - in fact I'd consider locking people who suggest it up as they are obviously twisted.

20 years ago we were a shit team in the second division who hadn't won anything for years and had no prospect of ever winning anything. Now we are in exactly the same position (albeit with good memories) which is just as much a consequence of their actions as the rise.

It's an interesting argument to use to maybe wind people up but it should make them question the sources as well. I tend to think he did - more because of the existence of the cult that followed rather than because of any direct documentary eveidence such as the gospels.

Would it though? Would you really like "eternal" life in heaven? They've always been a bit vague on the details (understandably) so to crave a concept like that, though understandable as opposed to "70 years then you die", has always seemed strange to me.