NJS

See again you're spinning the same PR bullshit the club churns out. Players have been trialled by the club but we all know Keegan wasn't the one making the decisions. Or do you have proof to the contrary? By the way you typing out more club propaganda doesn't constitute fact. So the club have players in on trial for the manager to look at but he has no say on whether the club signs him or not, that decision is down to the London mafia who were widely reported to not even be in the country at the time so couldn't have seen him train anyway. You couldn't make it up. What if Keegan did like Zayette and asked them to sign him and then they refused or failed for whatever reason? That constitutes "final say" in one sense but still leaves the player unsigned. Why would they refuse to sign a player on loan in a position we're short on that the manager is happy with? It's not as if he'd break the bank in wages as he's signed for Hull. It's just so obvious yet people are just desperate to defend Keegan of any wrong doing whatsoever. Maybe refuse was the wrong word - unless by then they had a deliberate agenda to piss him off which though I've never thought of it before, is possible. Maybe Hull did offer more money and the deal failed for "normal" reasons - if this is so then your agenda against Keegan is just as desperate.

See again you're spinning the same PR bullshit the club churns out. Players have been trialled by the club but we all know Keegan wasn't the one making the decisions. Or do you have proof to the contrary? By the way you typing out more club propaganda doesn't constitute fact. So the club have players in on trial for the manager to look at but he has no say on whether the club signs him or not, that decision is down to the London mafia who were widely reported to not even be in the country at the time so couldn't have seen him train anyway. You couldn't make it up. What if Keegan did like Zayette and asked them to sign him and then they refused or failed for whatever reason? That constitutes "final say" in one sense but still leaves the player unsigned.

I have to say I feel the same way I did in January - my heart says yes but my head says it would be wrong. I can understand how any new owner would be almost "forced" to offer him the job but I'd want to here some pretty convincing arguments from the man himself as to why he can be fully trusted. Of course I think he was right to go (with some reservations) but still feel a bit let down in a way. Hypothetically I'd like to know how he feels about the new owners and how good their relationship is - no doubt that would be thrashed out as part of his return but I'd like to see a bit more evidence of commitment this time around.

The 'second coming' was about 15 years ago. You know what I mean Aye, you meant the third coming. No I mean the second. The first being a young man from Nazareth about 2000 years ago. I though Yids didn't recognise that one.

Why? It took it that he meant that's the only way the full truth will come out.

It's rewind to last xmas - a few players out and those playing have no confidence whatsoever.

Looks like Taylor at RB, Capapa at CB and Zog in the middle.

I'm starting to think that Ashley knows that anything that he and his cronies say would be dismissed so he primed a new voice with BS to keep everyone happy. I think he's had decent offers but still wants his ludicrous profit so is biding his time - though fuck knows for what. If there was a tacit agreement to sell and he cared about the club he could now get rid of the mafia and get Keegan in - the long term doesn't matter in that scenario.

Initially angry and numb at the same time. Admire his honesty and the stats/explanation from the scab when he went there gives me hope. Could work - more interested in what he had to say regarding sale progress.

I've never liked the bloke but thought his statement made a lot of sense and I admire his stance.

Despite being one of his staunchest defenders, I'd prefer to see a clean break. I think as has been said on N-O, no matter how "right" he was, there'd be too many people waiting for him to quit again - I think he's lost a bit of trust whatever the actual circumstances. Having said that, I can see how new owners would like to get the "everybody on your side" factor by trying for him. I would hope Kevin himself would have the "grace" to turn it down.

Criminal.

He was a shining beacon in a very dark period (in his first year at least) - unfortunately for him Keegan signed and didn't really like him as he was a bit of the cliched "needs a few chances to score" kind in Keegan's eyes.

Burn the heretic!!! (Unless he's another exception in which case I'll let you off) Should have Heard (Pat) and Stewart (Ian) if you want to up the shittiness.

I had a persistent cough/bronchitis last month which meant "sleeping" in my armchair with the tv on all night and that meant I caught repeats of Weeds on Sky. You don't want to know how many people I would happily see killed for 5 minutes with Mary Louise Parker.

Leaving aside the lies and distortions, I lean towards agreeing that a fresh start would be better with no baggage. However I think DK makes a good point about him being the best we could probaly get who actually would have backing.

I keep thinking we'll be alright when the better players get back but as proved by last year, that means nothing without a manager who can pick the right team and inspire confidence. The current limbo has to end before we can judge.

I hate to say it but I think the Mackems have the sort of setup I'd like - okay the backers aren't locals but they have a bridge to someone with the club's interests at heart with Quinn. The local consortium sounds good in principle but I think if it was feasible they'd probably just stretch to the asking price leaving nothing for large investment in players. I guess it is following stereotypes but I can't help being worried by the possibility of Nigerians. As I said before the Chinese one sounds okay in terms of any property development meaning a full scale investment in the club and city but again we don't know what plans they'd have for transfers. A lot of the Arab investors courted last week seemed to be strictly interested with a view to investing in the true sense of the word which is probably better from a business angle but again unsure about the football side. I agree with Isegrim that in many ways Ashley was ideal (though we would have liked more transfer funds) if he had been serious about being in for the long haul (which I now seriously doubt). So What we really need is an over-subscribed in terms of money allowing a major splurge, local consortium which would have links to the club, an inherent long term plan but probably not linked to Shepherd - not much to ask for surely.

Might have changed in recent years but they always had a reputation for looking after their staff really well - hope that's true Magma.

Did he actually manage Leicester at some point ? A mate on Saturday was saying he'd been talking to some Leicester fans who asked why we had Wise when he'd ruined their club.

I just read Bombadil's post about desperation and realised the lad opposite me is on the phone to his mate who's a Sheff Wed fan - the horrifying thought of Wilkinson crossed my mind. Oh for the days when my mate rang me for a communal laugh when he got the Mackem job.

A mate of mine went there when we played in a pre season years ago - reckoned it was full of Scousers and Irish kids looking for bother.

From what has been dished up so far i would tend to agree - but i can't see him taking any shite off the likes of wise et al much the same as keegan so it would surprise me if this was a non starter - i thought he was a little unlucky with some of his signings - Tomasson went on to be a good player with milan and the likes and andersson looked a superstar when he played for sweden but neither could hack it in our league. I think he had a similar success rate of transfers to sir bob -in my opinion like - not that it really matters like cos i reckon its all media shite-but then as has been proved what do any of us really know It wasn't so much his transfers as such - he made a lot of good ones - it was the way that despite finishing 2nd with Keegan's team he set out to dismantle it and build his own which I think was wrong. Having said that if it was to be a rest of the season job, given those who allegedly want out, a temp would need to make his own signings anyway.

If it precluded transfers I actually think this is the "best" option put forward so far.

This coming from someone who wanted Ashley to sell the club cheap as "Every pound saved on buying the club is an extra pound for transfers" Add to that you telling people Jonas and Coloccini are no better than Milner and Faye, yet kicking off saying they can't say how good they are yet when people disagree with you, the hypocrisy must have gone right over your head. No wonder you prefer talking football on here. Don't see the problem with my position - he wouldn't have spent it on players and now he wants a profit on top of the money he put in as opposed to just wanting it back - both ways the man is not someone who cared about anything else but money. Guttierez looks a lot better than Milner but the reduction in numbers is still criminal. I stand by the Collocini/Faye remark after Saturday.