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Surely as we've all agreed Souness has a less than long-term future then we can include Anelka in the same context as I've thought of our recent good signings - signing good players can't hurt anyway as managers are generally transitory. BTW if you take way the Man City comments (which I'm not convinced by) then all his problems look pretty historic.

I have no problem with people having concerns - I'd actually prefer a loan deal if its possible to see how he works out - I'm just worried we'll get nobody.

I'm sorry, but look at his track record - why is he never happy for more than a year at any club? What on Earth makes you think he will settle at this shambles of a club? I honestly can't fathom the sheer hypocrisy of people on here bearing in mind the Bellamy situation. 80474[/snapback] I know its bad but aren't people allowed to grow up? If its true Keegan was consulted in the summer then thats a good sign - he certainly never stood for player tantrums or bad attitude. It looks like he's trying to engineer a move now but thats something every player does - because of his record he is now being called more for doing it. Just to add on the year thing - he wanted to sign for Liverpool and Man City sold him to clear their debt.

Its funny how the mood changes things. When he was courted in the summer a lot of people mentioned that they thought he had grown up. He had jettisoned his odious brothers as agents and had been no problem at Liverpool or Man City. Now that we may go after him again in the current climate its back to "moody frenchman" and "worse tham Bellamy". I'm with Gemmill - I'd love him to come.

As a socialist I've always thought of patriotism as I see it as a sense of togetherness working for everyone's good - completely removed from the usual royalty/union jack/empire/St George bollocks which I despise. If the former is what Brown is alluding to and I'd like to think so then I salute him. Unfortunately the general response will be the same as Jimbo's (nowt personal). Sorry Jimbo I've just re-read your "agree with the sentiments" bit - I meant the sticking it up the arse and celebrating individual countries.

So is criminal conviction the only measure of misconduct for footballers? 78874[/snapback] Any reason in particular why you're asking? I thought we were talking about the club's debt. 78883[/snapback] I realised it was you who said the thing about on/off the pitch after you replied to Gemmill. The point is if "football is different" which implies footballers don't have "real world" standards then how do you measure misconduct? It applies to the debt as apparently the damage to the finances caused by Souness devaluing Bellamy is huge. I also noted that Gemmill pointed out that from an accountancy pov Player's are worth their price not their perceived worth. Therefore Bellamy's sale had an even more minimal effect from a purely financial pov (and a benefit allowing for write-down).

So is criminal conviction the only measure of misconduct for footballers?

I'm sure LM has implied in the past that short of criminal conviction, nothing a players does off the pitch "counts" as long as they do the business on it.

Souness only said that after the SSN interview. I agree Bellamy is too "emotional" to think about his actions but a cynic could eaily turn it around and say that if he wanted to leave then he couldn't have come up with a better plan. I would say he's too thick but then he has an agent.... I also rememeber his "I'd have to think about me" attitude to the Rooney pursuit.

One of the thick twats on SSN last night actually said "Liverpool were representing England" - I've never accepted this concept and why people "like to see English teams do well in Europe". Clubs are Clubs imo.

Just on this idea of Leazes' that its Souness who is to blame for the financial side. If Bellamy and Robert had been sold for £10m and £5m (what chance?) then that would make about £9m difference to these figures - hardly a crippling proportion and I believe anyway that if they had of done bigger bids would have been made for Anelka and others. The idea that as we had those two we didn't need any new players is also daft - We needed new strikers and at the very least competition for Robert. I don't think anyone is fooled when it comes to Shepherd - they know he backs the managers but takes the piss personally. The thrust of this article also suggests we aren't a good prospect for purchase - any purchaser would look at potential earnings as well as debt etc (like the Glazers did) which should put us "above" the likes of Villa etc imo.

As I've said before there seems to be an "rationality excuse" when it comes to religion - you can't question it on the grounds of causing offence as its "personal" or "faith based" but the same doesn't apply to say a racist who says "I believe whites are superior". The fact that they have no answers to the sensible questions is what they want to hide by refusing to answer.

What got me in the wake of the London bombings was the "factual" way the term "brainwashing" was used in relation to convincing the bombers to act. If you spend up to 20 years "teaching" people that there is a God with a Heaven which is your reward for doing his will how much more "brainwashing" does it take to say "if you do this then you will go there"? The problem imo is that there is not enough opposition like Dawkin's to religion. Not from fear of reprisals (though that would be a concern) but just that people who have "seen sense" don't think its worth the effort. When you consider the consequences I think it should be on the agenda - I'd certainly start by abolishing faith schools and all teaching of it in schools.

I couldn't watch it - I knew I would get too angry - especially this test/punishment concept - God as a sort of Santa Claus/Bogeymen type figure.

Nah - I just assumed everyone would know who wrote A Brief History of Time I've just started re-reading An Ancestors Tale - don't know if its my age but I find non-fiction isn't sticking to my brain immediately these days - I've already overcome one of my doubts from the first time which was only around 5 months ago.

At least he knows if he's threatened with the wrath of God (and not one of his minions) then he's okay On your question I re-read A Brief History of Time recently and it made more sense second time around. Also my "annoyance" at his overuse of the word "God" last time was dampened a lot and I found myself finding the suggestion that the universe deliberately "lends" itself towards intelligent life (in our case) quite intriuging. I obvious still think Mount Olympos/Grey haired old men who actually control this world concepts are nonsense and I'm not joining the priesthood tomorrow but I think the concept of a universal creator is not one I'd dismiss so readily.

Wish I'd seen it after my boss mentioned it and "accused" me of writing it I'll look out for a repeat or download opportunity. Strangely using the bible, the classic misquote is "money is the root of all evil" which misses out "love of" at the start. I don't think religion is the root of all evil - its just the excuse. Recently I've found myself getting more frustrated at the irrationality of so called intelligent people spouting creationism etc. Its got to the stage where I think if people reject science so much then science should reject them - that ungodly concept of medicine comes to mind.

Ian Rush 0-2 76871[/snapback] The 1980 2-0 was at home. I think we played them in the mid 70s in the League cup. Just checked - 74-75 - lost 1-0 in a replay at their place.

One of my serious life ambitions is to buy the rights to Radford's goal for the pleasure of turning down anyone who wants to show it ever again. On today I'm with SpongeBob - "my blood ran cold" is a perfect description.

Well I do know - he was wearing a Liverpool shirt - I feel about scousers how Django feels about ref

Not the case - the referee got that penalty wrong. Firstly the incident began outside of the penalty area and then replay clearly shows that Carson had no contact with Vine who stepped on the keeper and then went to ground. Tough one to call by the ref though. 75993[/snapback] Its a moot point whether it actually was a pen - what matters to me is why yellow and not red once the pen is given? I don't care what Dan says about "last man" - dead centre, just inside () the box with defenders chasing back is a goal-scoring opprtunity in my view

Red Dwarf had the best conspiracy - Kennedy shot himself with the aid of their time machine to protect his liberal icon status. I think the Cuban thing is a lot like a lot of more modern terrorist acts - they would have liked to have done it so claim it anyway.

As I've said before (unpopularly) stuff like this is so "wrong" I wouldn't be surprised if theres an element of mental illness. Do you really want to cut peoples balls off because they have a chemical imbalance (or similar) in the brain? Would you call yourselves "civilised" if you main/kill people for being ill? Don't get me wrong if these people are fully aware of what they are doing in a cold-blooded, evil, Kray twin type manner them I'm with the rest of you but as I say theres something about paedophilia which screams "sickness" in the true sense at me.I 74852[/snapback] Agreed, however it takes especially sick individuals to get together, target a child, rape them and then ....*shudders to think what was going to happen afterwards. 74867[/snapback] Yeah the "gang" element to this one ups the ante by several leagues. People talk of deterrents but if these people are either plain evil or sick as I've defined then the urge will not be quelled by the fact that the last attacker was maimed or killed. On the other hand if someone had these urges and felt they could seek help before acting on them which they'd feel less inclined to do given the usual reaction then that makes kids actually safer which in the end is all that really matters imo.

As I've said before (unpopularly) stuff like this is so "wrong" I wouldn't be surprised if theres an element of mental illness. Do you really want to cut peoples balls off because they have a chemical imbalance (or similar) in the brain? Would you call yourselves "civilised" if you main/kill people for being ill? Don't get me wrong if these people are fully aware of what they are doing in a cold-blooded, evil, Kray twin type manner them I'm with the rest of you but as I say theres something about paedophilia which screams "sickness" in the true sense at me.

To be fair I already distanced myself from these comments. I know it's hard to believe, but even I talk bollocks some times... 74832[/snapback] You "right" bastards are on your high horses enough without distancing yourselves from occasional slips