NJS

What the......where did you get that from?? Its says nothing of the sort. Only in self-defence. Thats what most people dont get. Its not Islam or Christianity that have bought the world to war, its exactly the opposite. Its people either forgetting, or completely altering the teachings of Islam and Christianity that has led to this stage. How many people on this thread have said 'I dont give a crap about religion'? Thats happening all over the world, people forgetting true religion or altering it to suit whatever they feel like at the time. Its not just happening to religion, while muslims and christians are forgetting what their religion tells them, ethics morals etc are disappearing gradually on the world level, no doubt about it. Out of context no doubt On your second point its the usual "atheists have no morals" bollocks. As part of my interest in evolution/creationism debates I found out that there were MORE murders in the US before Darwin produced his "satanic" book - this was used to counter the argument that the "downfall" of religion had led to ethical decline. Tell me who has better morals - someone like me who is "good" because I believe in the good of humanity as a whole or someone who is "good" because he desires a reward of paradise or avoidance of hell?

To be fair and equal in my contempt the Hindus and Sikhs in India don't exactly have a perfect record in this respect.

I don't give a shit what it "means" - people are defined by their actions. Muslims worldwide hold to the "identity" of Islam - they speak of a brotherhood which sounds very noble until it becomes apparent that too many of them are fuckwits - then it becomes "but they are't real muslims" or other such bollocks. When the sectarian violence in Iraq really kicked off I read posts on the BBC from Muslims claiming it had to be the CIA/Mossad as "true" muslims wouldn't bomb mosques - get real. Stop hiding behind "its just a few" and address the real issues - you have a holy book which specifically encourages believers to kill infidels (200 "though shalt not kills" do not negate a promise of paradise) - the bible has the same but they're arent anywhere near as many idiots who actually take it at its word. The sad fact is that despite their noble ideals Islam and Christianity at a big picture level have brought nothing to the human race but misery and death.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Catholic dogma states that the Pope is infallible - he cannot make mistakes as he is "God's spokesman" on earth therefore an apology is in a way heretical. I despise orgainzed religion but I don't agree it was deliberate - as I said earlier I think it was the mistake of an arrogant intellectual. I'd also like to say that the next person who says "But Islam means peace" should be shot dead on the spot.

It was the speech of an itellectual theologian which is after all what the bloke is. its a fair point that maybe as Pope he should have realised what would happen, or at least he would have advisers who would warn him.

Its not the muslim world, its some people that have been driven to desperation. The US and the west have been kicking around the rest of the world as they please, not just the muslims. The muslims, being week and largely helpless, have now resorted to these tactics in retaliation. The muslims are themselves partly to blame for this, they have lost pace in the world and are backward and thus cannot face the US and co. face to face. But the latter are wrong when thinking they have a holy right on the earth and can do whatever they please. That bred terrorism in the first place and the only way to stop it is accepting the muslims and other races as human beings. If there had never been a single incident of Muslim terrorism I'd still consider the contribution of that and Christianity to be "evil and inhuman" - not on a personal level - individual beilefs aren't a problem - organized dogma is the problem imo.

yet, you say WE are racists for not tolerating them ....... odd. Maybe you are learning ....... I don't like intolerance from either direction - but given the level of education and culture in a lot of the Muslim world they almost have an excuse for being backwards - We don't.

First of all he quoted someone else in the context of a speech about the history of religion and violence. Secondly to describe the leader of the biggest christian church by a mile as a historical or peripheral figure is naive at best. I have no time for the catholic church or the pope in general but this furore once again proves that the Muslim world is ignorant and intolerant to a breathtaking degree. I still have yet to read anything from any Muslim to repudiate the actual statement which I wholeheatedly agree with, though I would apply it to all organized religions without exception.

It hasn't happened here yet but one thing that screwed the US was that McVeigh (Oklahoma) was a good ole boy with a grudge - it might be prevalent now for it only to be Muslims but things change - remember Guy Fawkes?

The problem you have is that you can't define "british" as easily as you think. Do you want to dictate religion or lack thereof, dress sense? sports played?, music listened to? mandate respect for the royal family? I'm what you would define as "british" but if you dictated any of those to me I'd tell you where to go and quite rightly.

The almost complete lack of scum/crime - people here (Chelmsford) don't know they're born - my next door neighbours leave bikes, footballs and boots on their doorstep overnight FFS. Theres a neighbourhood watch - I'd love to go and just go "Why?". Also handy for London which means access to gigs and jobs which pay well. Couple of decent curry houses (not SS standard but canny).

if its a huge freak wave then no - there wont be much warning. but if its a tsunami, then yes you will have some warning as the water will 'rush out' first before it rushes back in and onto land. (though the width of the north sea will probably mean it will take a few minutes for the tsunami to cross). i always dream. always in color and my dreams are also extremely vivid. 195691[/snapback] It tends to be the Perfect Storm/Point Break walls of water variety for me. I asked a lad at University who was doing psychology what it could mean and he reckoned dreams involving water indicate sexual frustration - no shit sherlock.

I used to live not far from the sea in S. Shields and spent a fair portion of my childhood at the beach - all my life I've had recurring dreams about a tidal wave hitting there with the added cliche of not being able to run/walk/get away (I now know from the Asian one you don't exactly get much of a chance anyway).

I have a brother and sister 10 and 8 years older than me which led to me being treat a bit like an only child (or a spoilt bastard as my sister describes it).

On the whole I like Germaine Greer and some of her points are valid* imo but the timing is crass. *(I think he did go out of way to meet "dangerous things" so "he had it coming" isn't that far from the truth)

Theres some serious basic education problems in too much of Africa which isn't necessarily the countries fault but could be helped. I remember reading that the last time there was a solar eclipse that rioters in Nigeria murdered 20 christians cos they thought it was Allah's wrath.

One of my favourite films but I don't recall any descent love scenes? Apart from someone being forced to hump a pillow. 193304[/snapback] Since he may be thinking of Ellen Barkin maybe he meant The Big Easy. In "proper" films I'd vote for Catherine Deneuve/Susan Sarandon in The Hunger.

Just under 300 miles for me if I go by road (Chelmsford) - technically more if I go by train which involves going via London. My preference is to fly from Stansted (25 mins from my house) but sometimes its too pricey. I only went to two home games last year (+ the SOS) but used to do all weekend home games and intend to do quite a few this year.

Typical Aussie - and I mean that in a good way - his enthusiam was so "full of life" - what a shame.

1 Boss was away so had an easy run down of a Friday afternoon (after a furious morning spent cursing Microsoft) 2 It took me 3.5 hours to get home as opposed to 35 minutes due to One Railway fuck-ups 3 I have an extremely runny nose 4 I'm going to the gym tomorrow for the first time in 3 weeks (due to previous cold + Reading festival) so expect to be sore and tender on Sunday. 5 Off to bed but have set a load of porn downloading for tomorrow.

Meds - Placebo

Spent most of the day putting minimal effort in due to pre-holiday couldn't be arsedness. Found out a possible work trip to Singapore which was looking doubtful is back on the agenda Disn't have any dinner so had Fish & chips for tea. Off to Reading tomorrow. Watching the match at home with a couple of cans.

Decapitated? on a motorbike? 181589[/snapback] My best mate has for years told me that when we were kids and playing football once we heard a car accident and when we went over I found a motor bike helmet a distance from the crash that wasn't empty shall we say. I have absolutely no recollection of this and his forcefulness in telling it seems honest.

Christ we must be shite - nobody's said ST yet 2. Some momentoes I have of my Mam and Dad 3. Bikes

Yes but despite their efforts it only made sense imo if you'd seen the series and therefore were "invested" in the characters. I didn't think the film was that good either in fairness though.