snakehips 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'm feeling fairly depressed at the moment about NUFC and the fact that Allardyce seems to have a big rebuilding programme to undertake. So, people, how long are you prepared to give Allardyce and where would you realistically accept us finishing next season? I feel comfortable with Allardyce and believe that he will be able to turn this juggernaut round - given time. I would be happy (as one can be happy) with finishing top 10 next season. Obviously further up the table would be nice, but he has a big job on his hands and I think he will need all the time he can get. I'm asking this question because we Newcastle supporters are quick to moan about the manager if things aren't going to our liking, but surely the vast majority of us believe that this team needs one hell of a lot of work done to it and it is surely going to need time given to the manager to do this. So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magma 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I reckon he will do a great job rebuilding the team, I reckon we could make it somewhere near the top 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4271 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'll give allardyce the rest of his career as long as we improve over every season obviously making allowances as we get into the more competetive spots, but I'll always be happy with generally improving whatever it takes to get it done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 133 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 The last thing we should expect is overnight success, thanks to Shepherd/Souness/Roeder we are in a shit state that will take time to improve, with Allardyce's management and Ashley's money I believe we will be challenging for silverwear in the future, but not anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 I reckon he will do a great job rebuilding the team, I reckon we could make it somewhere near the top 5 I like your faith. But what place would you accept, without berating the manager and calling for his head?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magma 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I reckon he will do a great job rebuilding the team, I reckon we could make it somewhere near the top 5 I like your faith. But what place would you accept, without berating the manager and calling for his head?? probably 6th maybes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 If we don't get to at least the Semi finals of next year's Champion's League, I want Allardyce gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 I reckon he will do a great job rebuilding the team, I reckon we could make it somewhere near the top 5 I like your faith. But what place would you accept, without berating the manager and calling for his head?? probably 6th maybes Okay, if that is what you want/expect, then I'm glad you have been honest. What I started this thread for was to see what people's ambitions/expectations were for next season - thus giving an indication of how they think things are at the moment at the club and how things will progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Three years of gradual improvement should see us somewhere between fourth and seventh. Satisfactory imo. A few cup runs would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 If we don't get to at least the Semi finals of next year's Champion's League, I want Allardyce gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4271 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 come to think of it I'd love it if we won anything, carling cup for instance, in the next 3 years or so, I'm fucking sick of "newcastle are a big club but haven't won anything for x years" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 come to think of it I'd love it if we won anything, carling cup for instance, in the next 3 years or so, I'm fucking sick of "newcastle are a big club but haven't won anything for x years" We would all like to win a cup. But that isn't going to be a gauge on how we are progressing as a team. Allardyce has to get a complete new back four imo (coupled with using Taylor and continuing his education) and that back four will have to get used to Shay and vice versa. The whole back four business is going to be one hell of a task to accomplish in a short space of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4271 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 come to think of it I'd love it if we won anything, carling cup for instance, in the next 3 years or so, I'm fucking sick of "newcastle are a big club but haven't won anything for x years" We would all like to win a cup. But that isn't going to be a gauge on how we are progressing as a team. Allardyce has to get a complete new back four imo (coupled with using Taylor and continuing his education) and that back four will have to get used to Shay and vice versa. The whole back four business is going to be one hell of a task to accomplish in a short space of time. Oh I know all that (see my first post in the thread) I'm just really tired of us being reffered to as the team with no silverware, it's not something I want above all else just something that would really be the icing on the cake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 top 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3282 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 As long as I see improvement he will get my backing. Souness and Roeder never got my backing because I knew they would be crap. But Sam makes the right noises and has improved teams everywhere he has been I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Getting a decent sized squad with strength in depth would be a start. any hope of a league campaign resulting in uefa cup qualification AND competing in 2 domestic cup competitions rests on that. Once the squad is up to scratch then we can see how far we can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 A thread started by Mr Hips called "How Long?" I was so shocked that it wasn't what I thought it would be on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26807 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Top 6 or he can fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 European qualification. If he doesn't Ashley will sack him IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8944 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I think the target has to be top 6 and European qualification. But it depends how the season is going. If the team is progressing but missing out because other teams simply have better seasons then even worse final position can be acceptable. It's rather like with Robson's first season where it is foremost about the club moving in the right direction again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 It's quite strange you say this actually, as I cant remember the last time we went into a season where I've been this optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Author Share Posted June 22, 2007 It's quite strange you say this actually, as I cant remember the last time we went into a season where I've been this optimistic. I was lying in bed thinking about this last night and trying to decide how worried I actually am. The fact that we need a whole new back four is worrying imo. Then I started to think about when Keegan had his first full season in charge. He had bought Killer Kilcline towards the end of the previous season so he was not exactly an 'old hand'. Then he bought Beresford and Venison so our back four at the start of the new season was pretty much in the same position as ours will be this season i.e. not too familiar with each other. So, I came to the scary thought that maybe, just maybe, things could well be surprisingly good...... Apologies if my timings of the signings of Kilcline, Beresford and Venison are all to cock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Difficult to say. If we finished 9th/10th I'd be disappointed but probably just about accept it. Top 8 would be good, and top 6 would be fantastic. I'm mainly hoping to see the real signs of improvement in 2-3 years, so could accept a slight let down in the first year, given how much needs to be done. Bottom half and I'd be livid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8944 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 The thing is that next to the big top four you have a couple of clubs who thanks to new ownership all have the potential to have a good season as well. Tottenham have progressed in recent years. Villa have the first real full season under Lerner, West Ham have grossly underperformed last season, it remains to be seen what happens at Man City. Everton have been fairly solid in recent seasons as well. And there are normally one or two surprise teams who are having a good season (Bolton, Wigan, Reading etc.). I don't think it's as easy (on paper) to break into the top six as it has probably been a couple of years ago, so missing out is not necessarily a failure imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I agree. You could even add Pompey to the list of teams who could be top half and do well; they had a good year last season and have added Distin and spent a lot of money on this Muntari. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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