chip2388 0 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 (edited) Source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/4274086.stm Newcastle manager Graeme Souness believes the playing surface at the club's training ground may be to blame for a spate of hamstring injuries. Kieron Dyer, Emre and Albert Luque have all suffered similar injuries, and Souness says a pattern has emerged. He said: "We've lost close on 600 days to hamstrings alone in the last three years at the training ground. "In the two years before Newcastle came to this training ground we were on a par with the rest of the Premiership." Souness told the League Managers' Association website: "We were losing about 90 days a year to hamstring injuries. We're running treble that now. It's something we think that we've got to the bottom of now. "We have a very hard fibre sand area that was the only area we could really train on last year and we felt that was our biggest problem, and the (hamstring) statistics bear that out. "So we now have another area that we can train on at the training ground which isn't fibre sand and until we get lots of rain and the winter months come along we have to avoid the fibre sand." Edited September 23, 2005 by chip2388 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoggeordie 0 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 aye, treble 90 is 600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18324 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/4274086.stm Newcastle manager Graeme Souness believes the playing surface at the club's training ground may be to blame for a spate of hamstring injuries. Kieron Dyer, Emre and Albert Luque have all suffered similar injuries, and Souness says a pattern has emerged. He said: "We've lost close on 600 days to hamstrings alone in the last three years at the training ground. "In the two years before Newcastle came to this training ground we were on a par with the rest of the Premiership." Souness told the League Managers' Association website: "We were losing about 90 days a year to hamstring injuries. We're running treble that now. It's something we think that we've got to the bottom of now. "We have a very hard fibre sand area that was the only area we could really train on last year and we felt that was our biggest problem, and the (hamstring) statistics bear that out. "So we now have another area that we can train on at the training ground which isn't fibre sand and until we get lots of rain and the winter months come along we have to avoid the fibre sand." 37870[/snapback] The other thing that's changed over the last two years is our manager and coaches of course. I suppose that has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 aye, treble 90 is 600 37872[/snapback] 600 hundred days over 3 years is 200 days a year. The average trebled is 270. So even considering the training ground differences something else has made a significant impact recently, luck or Souness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 The other thing that's changed over the last two years is our manager and coaches of course. I suppose that has nothing to do with it. 37874[/snapback] The training ground is 3 years old (is it really that long?), he's been around a year, it would be interesting to see the breakdown on a yearly or even monthly basis over that period with exact dates on things like training ground change and manager change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocChip 0 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 It's not inconceivable though is it that maybe it might have something to do with the facililties/training area. As much as people slag Souness off (me included) i find it hard to believe that something particular about only his training methods bring about these injuries, isn't the kind of easy trend to spot? And if it was, wouldn't players coming in from other clubs highlight the extreme difference in training and suggest it as a reason for the problem, even to one of the coaches if he didn't fancy talking to GS personally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36207 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 It's not inconceivable though is it that maybe it might have something to do with the facililties/training area. As much as people slag Souness off (me included) i find it hard to believe that something particular about only his training methods bring about these injuries, isn't the kind of easy trend to spot? 37879[/snapback] Agreed. And it's not like Luque's been here long enough for Souness's dastardly coaching techniques to have damaged his hamstrings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6369 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 For Souness to employ a training technique which explicitly damaged hamstrings, it'd be some talent.... And most of you claim he has no talent so by definition, you must be in the camp who agree it's sod all to do with him personally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I think it goes way back - the staff are partly to blame but the new training ground looks like its part of the problem Souness can only be blamed for pushing players back into the squad too early out of desperation..................... First time I've ever seen actual stats on injuries at the club............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 It's not inconceivable though is it that maybe it might have something to do with the facililties/training area. As much as people slag Souness off (me included) i find it hard to believe that something particular about only his training methods bring about these injuries, isn't the kind of easy trend to spot? 37879[/snapback] Agreed. And it's not like Luque's been here long enough for Souness's dastardly coaching techniques to have damaged his hamstrings. 37883[/snapback] I don't really have an opinion on it one way or another (mainly because I wouldn't have a clue about the training facilities to allow me to comment), but to provide the other side of the coin, it can sometimes be down to training techniques. Christian Gross' time at Tottenham is the prime example - during his time at Spurs there was an unbelievable injury list and it was widely accepted that this was down to his training techniques generally. Plus you can never rule out the possibility that Souness is doping and/or deliberately injuring his players and then betting on the outcome of our matches. I'm just saying is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Hog 372 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I remember people asking questions about the training ground and the possible links to hamstring injuries back under SBR's reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18324 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 It's not inconceivable though is it that maybe it might have something to do with the facililties/training area. As much as people slag Souness off (me included) i find it hard to believe that something particular about only his training methods bring about these injuries, isn't the kind of easy trend to spot? 37879[/snapback] Agreed. And it's not like Luque's been here long enough for Souness's dastardly coaching techniques to have damaged his hamstrings. 37883[/snapback] There's a balance here Gemmill. I'm not suggesting this is all down to Souness, but it is likely to be a multifactorial problem, and I think Souness and, in particular, his coaches, are a part of the problem. If Luques injury can't be explained by Souness et al, then neither can it be explained on the training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 The other thing that's changed over the last two years is our manager and coaches of course. I suppose that has nothing to do with it. 37874[/snapback] Hamstring injuries under Robson - 0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18324 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I remember people asking questions about the training ground and the possible links to hamstring injuries back under SBR's reign. 37890[/snapback] Has anyone got any figures on this. I remember there were always problems with Dyer, Bellamy, and Woodgate, but these are all crocks essentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 There's a balance here Gemmill. I'm not suggesting this is all down to Souness, but it is likely to be a multifactorial problem, and I think Souness and, in particular, his coaches, are a part of the problem. If Luques injury can't be explained by Souness et al, then neither can it be explained on the training ground. 37891[/snapback] It's hard to put Luque's down to anything other than luck, maybe even adapting to the weather? Luque's out for 2-3 months as well isn't he, so 60-90 days can be attributed to neither the manager nor the facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36207 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 There's a balance here Gemmill. I'm not suggesting this is all down to Souness, but it is likely to be a multifactorial problem, and I think Souness and, in particular, his coaches, are a part of the problem. If Luques injury can't be explained by Souness et al, then neither can it be explained on the training ground. 37891[/snapback] It's hard to put Luque's down to anything other than luck, maybe even adapting to the weather? Luque's out for 2-3 months as well isn't he, so 60-90 days can be attributed to neither the manager nor the facilities. 37894[/snapback] I blame the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Don't blame it on the Souness, Don't blame it on the training, Don't blame it on the hard sand, Blame it on the boogie. Shit dancing, that's what causes it I tell you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I blame the fans. 37897[/snapback] Yep, tripped over a paper aeroplane, the way I heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18324 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I blame the fans. 37897[/snapback] Yep, tripped over a paper aeroplane, the way I heard it. 37907[/snapback] Thrown by Gemmill, I might add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36207 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I blame the fans. 37897[/snapback] Yep, tripped over a paper aeroplane, the way I heard it. 37907[/snapback] Thrown by Gemmill, I might add 37908[/snapback] Obsessed with me tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 (edited) The other thing that's changed over the last two years is our manager and coaches of course. I suppose that has nothing to do with it. 37874[/snapback] of course, but some of us predicted he would make all the excuses he could think of rather than blame himself and his appointed staff. We were called anti Newcastle for it etc etc ... Now we are predicting nothing will get better until he goes, and we are still being pilloried for it. Rose tinted specs © Edited September 23, 2005 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4043 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 As long as Bobby gets all the blame for Dyer and Bellamy's previous Hamstrings then by all means blame Souness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 As long as Bobby gets all the blame for Dyer and Bellamy's previous Hamstrings then by all means blame Souness. 38013[/snapback] Equally blame Bobby Robson for winning games ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 (edited) The other thing that's changed over the last two years is our manager and coaches of course. I suppose that has nothing to do with it. 37874[/snapback] of course, but some of us predicted he would make all the excuses he could think of rather than blame himself and his appointed staff. We were called anti Newcastle for it etc etc ... Now we are predicting nothing will get better until he goes, and we are still being pilloried for it. Rose tinted specs © 38003[/snapback] The people who called you anti-Newcastle for being worried about what Souness might do to the club are tossers, but this isn't black and white, there are many points along the scale. You seem to be polar opposite to those people. Edited September 23, 2005 by DotBum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Malcolm Macdonald is convinced it the boots (with 'blades' rather than studs). Any evidence to back this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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