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Ouch! They've really got to do away with gravel traps - there was no speed scrubbed off there at all.

 

Lap of the gods when a tyre fails there - thank god he seems to be OK

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/for...icle3850744.ece

 

Ron Dennis, the team principal of McLaren Mercedes, has issued his most trenchant denial yet that he, his company or any outside agency working for them had a hand in the News of the World’s exposé of Max Mosley’s appetite for alleged sado-masochistic sex with prostitutes.

 

The Times can also reveal that Dennis has written to one of Mosley’s most loyal allies on the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council requesting clarification of remarks made in a radio interview that appeared to link McLaren with the Mosley scandal.

 

Radovan Novak, the general secretary of the Czech Automobile Association and a long-time friend and supporter of the disgraced FIA president, was quoted in Prague as apparently speculating that the publication of revelations about Mosley may have been linked to the fine imposed by the FIA on McLaren for cheating last year.

 

The remarks are at best ambivalent and Novak’s meaning is not clear. However, Dennis was quick to stamp on what he saw as an attempt to associate him with revelations about his most ardent foe within Formula One. “We are writing to Mr Novak and are currently considering the appropriate route via which the remarks that have been attributed to him may be withdrawn or corrected,” he said.

 

The longer the scandal has gone on, the more the whispering campaign has continued about whether anyone or any organisation other than the News of the World was involved in exposing the FIA president’s sexual predilections. Mosley has hired the private investigations company, Quest - run by Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington - to try to track down who was behind what he believes was a conspiracy to destroy him.

 

Shortly after the first revelations in the News of the World were published on March 30, Mosley went on record as saying that a “specialist group” had been employed to trap him by “clients” whose identity had yet to be revealed - in other words, people who were separate to the newspaper. He claimed that this had been conveyed to him by “an impeccable high-level source close to the UK police and security services”.

 

Dennis has consistently denied any involvement, but yesterday he went to greater efforts to extinguish the idea that he had a hand in Mosley’s difficulties.

 

Dennis told The Times: “As I have consistently said whenever I have been asked about this, I categorically deny that I have anything to do with the News of the World's investigation into Mr Mosley, neither does anyone connected with the McLaren Group or the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team. Neither does any agent or any other party acting on behalf of myself or anyone connected with the McLaren Group or the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team.”

 

It is understood that investigators employed by Quest visited the News of the World’s offices in London on Sunday. Intriguingly, Stevens is an occasional columnist with the paper.

 

 

Heavyweight boxing has more credibility these days.

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Ayrton Senna passed away fourteen years ago today. One of those moments when you can remember exactly where you were when it happened :D

 

His first lap at Donington in torrential rain in 1993 still stands out for me:

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I remember the fella who ran the newsagents telling me about Ratzenberger's death on the Saturday, I'd been an F1 fan since I was a little kid and it was the first on-track death I'd known. Never had any idea how much worse (with all due respect) things would get the next day. :D

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Monaco today. No traction-control plus the threat of rain will make those streets seem narrower than ever.

 

What odds on a first corner incident?

 

1 Felipe Massa (Brz) Ferrari 1min 15.787secs

2 Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Ferrari 1:15.815

3 Lewis Hamilton (GB) McLaren - Mercedes 1:15.839

4 Heikki Kovalainen (Fin) McLaren - Mercedes 1:16.165

5 Robert Kubica (Pol) BMW Sauber 1:16.171

6 Nico Rosberg (Ger) Williams - Toyota 1:16.548

7 Fernando Alonso (Sp) Renault 1:16.852

8 Jarno Trulli (It) Toyota 1:17.203

9 Mark Webber (Aus) Red Bull - Renault 1:17.343

10 David Coulthard (GB) Red Bull - Renault 1:15.839

11 Timo Glock (Ger) Toyota 1:15.907

12 Jenson Button (GB) Honda 1:16.101

13 Nick Heidfeld (Ger) BMW Sauber 1:16.455

14 Kazuki Nakajima (Jpn) Williams - Toyota 1:16.479

15 Rubens Barrichello (Brz) Honda 1:16.537

16 Sebastien Bourdais (Fr) Scuderia Toro Rosso - Ferrari 1:16.806

17 Nelson Piquet Jr. (Brz) Renault 1:16.933

18 Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Scuderia Toro Rosso - Ferrari 1:16.955

19 Adrian Sutil (Ger) Force India - Ferrari 1:17.225

20 Giancarlo Fisichella (Ita) Force India - Ferrari 1:17.823

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Has Hamilton missed a trick there, not putting full wets on? The rain seems to be getting heavier.

 

 

You were saying ? :icon_lol:

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Well it was at the time! Full credit to him though.

 

 

It was a fantastic race for him.

 

and kudos for squirting P-Diddy in the face with the champagne :icon_lol:

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Motor racing clubs from 22 countries have written a letter to International Automobile Federation (FIA) president Max Mosley calling on him to resign.

 

The call comes ahead of next week's vote of confidence in Paris following allegations about his personal life.

 

The clubs argue in their letter that Mosley's refusal to step down could damage the sport's governing body.

 

"The FIA is in a critical situation. Its image, reputation and credibility are being severely eroded," it read.

 

Mosley, whose term does not expire until October 2009, faces a vote of confidence in a secret ballot of members at an extraordinary meeting on 3 June.

 

The FIA comprises motor sport and motoring bodies from 130 countries and despite the apparent strength of feeling against him it is believed there are enough clubs still willing to back to Mosley.

 

The 68-year-old was accused of taking part in a "Nazi-style orgy" by the News of the World, but denies his deeds had Nazi connotations and has launched a libel claim against the newspaper.

 

Mosley has said he will not reapply for another term beyond 2009, but in the letter, the contents of which were revealed on the autosport.com website, the 22 clubs demanded he should leave his post as soon as possible.

 

"We strongly believe that the only respectable way forward for the FIA, and for yourself, is to have an orderly transition, with an immediate agreement and your commitment to step down," the letter states.

 

"Every additional day that this situation persists, the damage increases. There is no way back."

 

The letter was signed by representatives from America (AAA and AATA), Singapore (AAS), Germany (ADAC), Finland, (AL), Canada (CAA), Brazil (CCB), Denmark (FDM), France (FFA), India (FIAA), Japan (JAF), the Netherlands (KNAC), Sweden (M), Hungary (MAK), Israel (MEMSI), Austria (OEMTC), Spain (RACC and RACE), Belgium (TCB) and Switzerland (TCS).

 

Mosley has, meanwhile, refused a compromise deal allowing him to stand down in November, proposed by a senior body of the FIA - the World Council for Automobile Mobility and Tourism - which would guarantee him victory in the vote.

 

That has further enraged the clubs, who have accused Mosley of putting his own interests ahead of the FIA.

 

"We deeply regret your refusal to accept the proposal by the members of the WCAMT to reach an agreement for you to step down at the General Assembly in the coming month of November," the letter adds.

 

"This is a constructive effort to facilitate an orderly transition within the FIA and to find a solution to the present crisis.

 

"Instead, your intention to remain until the end of your term in 2009, in spite of the severe damage being inflicted to the FIA, could imply putting personal considerations before the interests of the FIA and its member clubs."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/7425422.stm

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Max Mosley has won a vote of confidence to stay on as president of motorsport's governing body, the FIA.

 

More than a third of delegates did not back Mosley at Tuesday's meeting in Paris but he won 103 of 169 votes.

 

Mosley called the vote following a newspaper report that he took part in a "Nazi-style orgy" with prostitutes, though he denied Nazi connotations.

 

US delegate Robert Darbelnet said he was disappointed with the outcome and may withdraw his country's membership.

 

Mosley, 68, has kept a low profile since the News of the World broke the story in April but, following a two-hour discussion during which frank views were exchanged regarding the Englishman, Mosley was understood to be delighted after the result was announced.

 

The reaction from some delegates, however, has been markedly different.

 

President of the American Automobile Association Darbelnet said the result could split motorsport and lead to a breakaway from members from the FIA.

 

"We should not rush to judgement on this," he said.

 

"But one of the potential ramifications is the division or a split way from the organisation that might in fact provide an opportunity for like-minded clubs to find a representative body in a different form."

 

There has been mounting pressure for Mosley to go over the past two months, both from leading national motorsport federations and industry giants such as BMW, Mercedes, Toyota and Honda, who feared for their image and sponsorship money.

 

Following the result German motoring organisation, ADAC, was quick to voice its anger.

 

"We view with regret and incredulity the FIA general assembly's decision in Paris, confirming Max Mosley in office as FIA president," said a spokesman.

 

"This is a reason for Europe's largest automobile club to let its functions and co-operation in FIA working groups rest at world level.

 

"ADAC will stay with its decision as long as Max Mosley holds the top FIA office of president."

 

More soon.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/7430939.stm

 

:nah:

 

Max Mosely has dressed F1 in a Nazi uniform and spanked whatever credibility was left out of it.

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Qualifying results for the Canadian Grand Prix:

 

1. Lewis Hamilton (Britain) McLaren - Mercedes 1:17.886

2. Robert Kubica (Poland) BMW Sauber 1:18.498

3. Kimi Raikkonen (Finland) Ferrari 1:18.735

4. Fernando Alonso (Spain) Renault 1:18.746

5. Nico Rosberg (Germany) Williams 1:18.844

6. Felipe Massa (Brazil) Ferrari 1:19.048

7. Heikki Kovalainen (Finland) McLaren 1:19.089

8. Nick Heidfeld (Germany) BMW Sauber 1:19.633

9. Rubens Barrichello (Brazil) Honda 1:20.848

10. Mark Webber (Australia) Red Bull - Renault 1:17.523

11. Timo Glock (Germany) Toyota 1:18.031

12. Kazuki Nakajima (Japan) Williams 1:18.062

13. David Coulthard (Britain) Red Bull - Renault 1:18.238

14. Jarno Trulli (Italy) Toyota 1:18.327

15. Nelson Piquet (Brazil) Renault 1:18.393

16. Sebastien Bourdais (France) Toro Rosso - Ferrari 1:18.916

17. Adrian Sutil (Germany) Force India - Ferrari 1:19.108

18. Giancarlo Fisichella (Italy) Force India - Ferrari 1:19.165

19. Jenson Button (Britain) Honda 1:23.565

20. Sebastian Vettel (Germany) Toro Rosso - Ferrari no time

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Very but I guess if you are going to ram an opponent out of the race so it might as well be your rival.

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McLaren team principal Ron Dennis defended Hamilton's error but was keen to put a dismal weekend behind him as the team aim to recapture the lead in the drivers' championship.

 

"No racing driver would deliberately put himself out of a Grand Prix, and the plain fact is that Lewis didn't realise that the cars in front of him were coming to a halt until too late," Dennis said.

 

"It's difficult for a driver to decide whether to focus on the lights or on the cars ahead in situations like that."

So he focused on neither? :icon_lol: Cockend.

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10 place grid penalty for him (and Rosberg) at the next event - bloody right he should too for that goof!

 

Serves him right for taking the piss out of his old man for crashing a Porsche at 30mph - what goes around comes around, you crashed an F1 car at about 10mph into a parked vehicle..... twat!

 

Had to laugh at Raikkonen. No anger, no pushing, no gesticulation, just a tap on the shoulder and a point in the direction of the red light.. How to put a man down when he's already lying on the ground. :icon_lol:

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Had to laugh at Raikkonen. No anger, no pushing, no gesticulation, just a tap on the shoulder and a point in the direction of the red light.. How to put a man down when he's already lying on the ground. :icon_lol:

:P Yes, I liked that too.

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Silverstone today, for the penultimate time. I'm not surprised Bernie got sick of negotiating with the stuffed blazers and old school tie brigade of the BRDC, but Donington is going to need some serious investment.

 

It's about five years since I was last there, but it was nowhere near the standards of a modern F1 venue.

 

Qualifying times for British GP:

 

1. Heikki Kovalainen (Fin) McLaren-Mercedes one minute 21.049 seconds

2. Mark Webber (Aus) Red Bull-Renault 1:21.554

3. Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Ferrari 1:21.706

4. Lewis Hamilton (GB) McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.835

5. Nick Heidfeld (Ger) BMW Sauber 1:21.873

6. Fernando Alonso (Spa) Renault 1:22.029

7. Nelson Piquet (Bra) Renault 1:22.491

8. Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.251

9. Felipe Massa (Bra) Ferrari 1:23.305

10. Robert Kubica (Pol) BMW Sauber no time

11. David Coulthard (GB) Red Bull-Renault 1:20.174

12. Timo Glock (Ger) Toyota 1:20.274

13. Sebastien Bourdais (Fra) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:20.531

14. Jarno Trulli (Ita) Toyota 1:20.601

15. Kazuki Nakajima (Jap) Williams-Toyota 1:21.112

16. Rubens Barrichello (Bra) Honda 1:21.512

17. Jenson Button (GB) Honda 1:21.631

18. Nico Rosberg (Ger) Williams-Toyota 1:21.668

19. Adrian Sutil (Ger) Force India-Ferrari 1:21.786

20. Giancarlo Fisichella (Ita) Force India-Ferrari 1:21.885

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