Happy Face 29 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Although I realise that kind of thing is probably political suicide. It's depressing how many sensible measures are these days. Islamic banks ftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14068 Posted December 10, 2008 Author Share Posted December 10, 2008 Although I realise that kind of thing is probably political suicide. It's depressing how many sensible measures are these days. Islamic banks ftw Political suicide bombers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Labour could have done something about the current situation. It was patently obvious to anyone that actually looked that the global boom was largely being sustained by 1 time issues, and that the longest period of sustained economic growth ever wouldn't actually last forever, and that debt and risk we're being treated like condoms in a 1980 orgy. But just like the dot.com bubble, even those that supposedly did know better, ignored the signs and kept their snouts in the trough. In all honesty though the main reason why Labour has to lose the next election isn't really to do with the current conditions, it's the utter nepotism, sleazy and frankly corruption inherent in any party that has been in power for more than 2 terms. Ed Balls is a perfect example of this. And that "we're listening" goes from actually meaning something like "we're listening" to "crush them with tanks" the longer it goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17828 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Frankly I'm amazed that any person from the North East could want the tories in or even be so apathetic about the possibility, but never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Frankly I'm amazed that any person from the North East could want the tories in or even be so apathetic about the possibility, but never mind. I'm amazed anyone could want Labour to have another term (then again I guess there are the people that voted Conservative in 1997). Obama..... chaaaaange..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17828 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Frankly I'm amazed that any person from the North East could want the tories in or even be so apathetic about the possibility, but never mind. I'm amazed anyone could want Labour to have another term (then again I guess there are the people that voted Conservative in 1997). Obama..... chaaaaange..... Exactly, there's no viable alternative, but people think the tories are the solution, then more fool them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Frankly I'm amazed that any person from the North East could want the tories in or even be so apathetic about the possibility, but never mind. I'm amazed anyone could want Labour to have another term (then again I guess there are the people that voted Conservative in 1997). Obama..... chaaaaange..... I think overall Newcastle/the North East is far better off than it was 10 years ago. Maybe a result of boom and bust, but people up here won't forget what a shit-hole it was when the tories couldn't give a fuck. I can see why no-one middle class or wealthy would want Labour to have another term. Edited December 10, 2008 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Frankly I'm amazed that any person from the North East could want the tories in or even be so apathetic about the possibility, but never mind. I'm amazed anyone could want Labour to have another term (then again I guess there are the people that voted Conservative in 1997). Obama..... chaaaaange..... Exactly, there's no viable alternative, but people think the tories are the solution, then more fool them. Anyone is the solution. I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Frankly I'm amazed that any person from the North East could want the tories in or even be so apathetic about the possibility, but never mind. I'm amazed anyone could want Labour to have another term (then again I guess there are the people that voted Conservative in 1997). Obama..... chaaaaange..... I think overall Newcastle/the North East is far better off than it was 10 years ago. Maybe a result of boom and bust, but people up here won't forget what a shit-hole it was when the tories couldn't give a fuck. I can see why no-one middle class or wealthy would want Labour to have another term. Mostly that yes. If things get really bad it'll be more of the same as jobs are shed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 86 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 simple truths are that whoever goes into power next has a largely failing economy (that will by all accounts recover by dec 09) an apathetic audience (i.e. us) and political infighting ( brown and cameron are neither parties best mp's for leaders, (brown beleiving he was due some credit for the boom years in the UK ) (cameron being an egostistical bastard). but we have no real alternative. lib dems are too wolly and no one has had confidence in them for years. green... no. bnp and other extremists.... no. what to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38829 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 simple truths are that whoever goes into power next has a largely failing economy (that will by all accounts recover by dec 09) an apathetic audience (i.e. us) and political infighting ( brown and cameron are neither parties best mp's for leaders, (brown beleiving he was due some credit for the boom years in the UK ) (cameron being an egostistical bastard). but we have no real alternative. lib dems are too wolly and no one has had confidence in them for years. green... no. bnp and other extremists.... no. what to do? Better the devil you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14068 Posted December 10, 2008 Author Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Brown would have to call a snap election right now to capitalise on that, though. If he holds out until 2010, people will have seen through his economic "rescue" measures by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9015 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 It's a sad state of affairs when more and more people appear to be voting against a party, rather than for a party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38829 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Brown would have to call a snap election right now to capitalise on that, though. If he holds out until 2010, people will have seen through his economic "rescue" measures by then. By which time cameron will have been caught with an orange in his gob and and a Peppermill up his hoop, getting spanked off his secretary.......... tories man -no imaginations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 well the lib dems aren't going to win shite, and the conservatives are in in my area, and have been for a while. they'll win again, because where i live has the highest population of millionares per head seemingly..... i think david cameron is by far the more charismatic leader than brown, but thats like saying i'd rather have ebola than non curable cancer. i reckon despite the recent outrage on the bnp , there will be more people than ever before voting for them. of course a lot of it is reactionary bs in relation to the weakened stance on immigrants imposed by the labour govt. also this labour govt (or at least its front man) got us into this mess where jobs are now at risk and the currency is devalued as they've f***ed the economy up. having said that i'm not voting. Doesn't matter who wins. But they want Cameron to win. The economic problems are nothing to do with nation states it is a worldwide crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17828 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Brown would have to call a snap election right now to capitalise on that, though. If he holds out until 2010, people will have seen through his economic "rescue" measures by then. As opposed to the tory measures? Cameron and Osborne will still be smug twats in 18 months time, nothing will change that. The fact they haven't gained more support by now is proof they are fundamentally disliked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3606 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Whilst obviously far from perfect Labour have done an immeasurably better job of managing the country than the Tories managed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17828 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Brown would have to call a snap election right now to capitalise on that, though. If he holds out until 2010, people will have seen through his economic "rescue" measures by then. By which time cameron will have been caught with an orange in his gob and and a Peppermill up his hoop, getting spanked off his secretary.......... tories man -no imaginations. Better than my response, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 It's a sad state of affairs when more and more people appear to be voting against a party, rather than for a party. Hasn't it always been the case? Even a vote for "change we can believe in" Obama was just a vote against Bush who hadn't quite fucked things up enough at home to warrant a beating off Kerry in '04. Both main parties policies are basically the same on either side of the Atlantic. You're only voting on personality if you see those two as your only choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Brown would have to call a snap election right now to capitalise on that, though. If he holds out until 2010, people will have seen through his economic "rescue" measures by then. ...again this is a worldwide economic crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38829 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Brown would have to call a snap election right now to capitalise on that, though. If he holds out until 2010, people will have seen through his economic "rescue" measures by then. By which time cameron will have been caught with an orange in his gob and and a Peppermill up his hoop, getting spanked off his secretary.......... tories man -no imaginations. Better than my response, for sure. When it comes to sharp political analysis, i won't be beat tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 It's a sad state of affairs when more and more people appear to be voting against a party, rather than for a party. Hasn't it always been the case? Even a vote for "change we can believe in" Obama was just a vote against Bush who hadn't quite fucked things up enough at home to warrant a beating off Kerry in '04. Both main parties policies are basically the same on either side of the Atlantic. You're only voting on personality if you see those two as your only choice. The money behind Obama won the election, peoples preferences had nowt to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14068 Posted December 10, 2008 Author Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Brown would have to call a snap election right now to capitalise on that, though. If he holds out until 2010, people will have seen through his economic "rescue" measures by then. ...again this is a worldwide economic crisis. Regardless of how true that may be, and no matter how much Brown keeps claiming "the Americans started it", people will still blame the government of the day at the ballot box when they're out of a job and the country's in a depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Brown would have to call a snap election right now to capitalise on that, though. If he holds out until 2010, people will have seen through his economic "rescue" measures by then. ...again this is a worldwide economic crisis. Is it worldwide? Or is it only limited to those countries blindly following the Chicago school model? Admittedly, that's almost all. Brazil (Latin America's largest economy) and their state-owned oil firm Petrobras aren't doing too bad? http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2008/101...s_cardenas.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I assumed this thread would have been bumped because Cameron's lead has been cut to 4 points in the latest poll, but apparently not. I wouldn't bet on a tory landslide just yet. Brown would have to call a snap election right now to capitalise on that, though. If he holds out until 2010, people will have seen through his economic "rescue" measures by then. ...again this is a worldwide economic crisis. Regardless of how true that may be, and no matter how much Brown keeps claiming "the Americans started it", people will still blame the government of the day at the ballot box when they're out of a job and the country's in a depression. I don't make any of my plans or ideation in relation to what people might or might not do and nor do our leaders. They are part of a cyclic elite, a governing class if you like most of whom are about as far removed from everyday realities as it gets. They blame Brown cause they don't want to think about things too much and this is how it continues. But real pain is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3986 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Regardless of how true that may be, and no matter how much Brown keeps claiming "the Americans started it", people will still blame the government of the day at the ballot box when they're out of a job and the country's in a depression. Sad but true - I overheard two people in our accounts department who know exactly what has caused this crisis, come out with the cliched "Labour have fucked up the economy and we need the tories to put it right as always" - decent people overall but simple southern twats when it comes to politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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