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[Guest alex]

Surely it isn't a case of legality, as (I think) Fop is suggesting. In a similar way to members of the Police Force being unable to strike or join a trade union, they also undertake an agreement not to join the BNP when they become a police officer. I would imagine this is clearly defined by an Act of Parliament and hence, covered by UK law. The argument, therefore, surely falls with a philosophical / ethical debate as to whether that should be the case.

 

 

Is that the case though?

 

And if so what basis does it stand up? You could write a contract with someone agreeing not to speak Welsh (or whatever), but that wouldn't mean it would actually stand up to scrutiny.

 

 

There's also plenty of professions where there's nothing legally binding, but they would get shot of BNP members in much the same way people might once have got shot of someone because they are Muslim or mixed race or whatever.

 

 

It's a strange hypocrisy IMO, and one that has to be watched, as Harmen's ridiculous sexist employment bill clearly showed this summer.

I'm by no means a legal expert but it does seem to stand up. All I meant was I think challenging its legality is coming at it from the wrong standpoint, as it were. As in, you might think it's wrong, but I don't think it's 'illegal'.

 

Well maybe not criminally "illegal" (although I dunno with all the recent anti-discrimination legislation), but at least against civil and working practice law.

 

Although I'm slightly amazed they haven't managed to wangle anti-terror into it (I guess they don't need to).

 

It's a very good example of how far the rules can bet bent though, and although most maybe would agree with it in this case, it goes without saying that rules are being bent at least as far in other ways that maybe most wouldn't agree with, but get no publicity.

 

And mainly it weakens and undermines the whole position of British democracy and freedom. Insidious banning is the way of tyranny, even nice tyranny that you don't mind so much (so long as you don't end up disagreeing with it anyway).

Ah, not 'criminally illegal'.

What?

I was wondering how adhering to UK law was illegal I must say.

I really don't see this as having anything to do with insidious removals of human rights (or anti-terror either - wtf?). No one is forced to join the police. It's a rather complicated argument as to whether or not it's right to ban police from joining the BNP but it's one I broadly agree with. The only problem with it (or my main one anyway) is that is doesn't make the person in questions views any different. It just makes them secret.

 

Something can be against the law without it leading to a criminal issue (penal/civil etc.). I assume it's like that with the police (although whether they break other laws or indeed it should be deemed a hate crime or whatever is perhaps the issue).

 

The secret issue is just another downside of the hypocrisy, as it helps fester and spread things rather than bring them out into the open where they can be openly discussed and refuted.

Is this the case with this issue then? Otherwise I don't see how this is illegal.

 

Can't see how this provision could be found to be unlawful. It's the sort of case that you'd get someone taking to Strasbourg, but I think any element of the dispute which crystalised on the conflict of human rights would be resolved in favour of the state as opposed to a BNP copper tbh.

 

So it's legal to discriminate against someone because of their beliefs? Either way it's murky and hypocritical and rather like the BNP prejudices it's supposedly against.

Sort of. You aren't stopping the police voting BNP, you're stopping them from being members of the BNP, presumably on the basis that it is deemed to have an adverse effect on their ability to do their job. It would also have adverse impact on public perceptions of the police, which in turn actually prevents them from operating as well as possible. If you think that is hypocritical, fair enough. That's still a philosophical argument rather than a legal one though, given (at a guess) no law supersedes or overrules the one in question.

I would point out that there are plenty of jobs in which contracts stipulate conditions of employment and I don't really see this as any different.

Do you think it is impinging on the human rights of police btw?

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DL16 7TN (5.09 miles) - Mr Tony Blair

 

Christ!

[NJS 3978]

Victimised white middle-aged males my arse, it's pathetic.

 

 

I remember a line from Spin City ages ago where they were discussing positive discrimination/PC Correctness etc and one bloke says "I'm white and middle class - who speaks for me" to which the reply was "Congress" - not really that funny but very true.

[manc-mag 1]

Surely it isn't a case of legality, as (I think) Fop is suggesting. In a similar way to members of the Police Force being unable to strike or join a trade union, they also undertake an agreement not to join the BNP when they become a police officer. I would imagine this is clearly defined by an Act of Parliament and hence, covered by UK law. The argument, therefore, surely falls with a philosophical / ethical debate as to whether that should be the case.

 

 

Is that the case though?

 

And if so what basis does it stand up? You could write a contract with someone agreeing not to speak Welsh (or whatever), but that wouldn't mean it would actually stand up to scrutiny.

 

 

There's also plenty of professions where there's nothing legally binding, but they would get shot of BNP members in much the same way people might once have got shot of someone because they are Muslim or mixed race or whatever.

 

 

It's a strange hypocrisy IMO, and one that has to be watched, as Harmen's ridiculous sexist employment bill clearly showed this summer.

I'm by no means a legal expert but it does seem to stand up. All I meant was I think challenging its legality is coming at it from the wrong standpoint, as it were. As in, you might think it's wrong, but I don't think it's 'illegal'.

 

Well maybe not criminally "illegal" (although I dunno with all the recent anti-discrimination legislation), but at least against civil and working practice law.

 

Although I'm slightly amazed they haven't managed to wangle anti-terror into it (I guess they don't need to).

 

It's a very good example of how far the rules can bet bent though, and although most maybe would agree with it in this case, it goes without saying that rules are being bent at least as far in other ways that maybe most wouldn't agree with, but get no publicity.

 

And mainly it weakens and undermines the whole position of British democracy and freedom. Insidious banning is the way of tyranny, even nice tyranny that you don't mind so much (so long as you don't end up disagreeing with it anyway).

Ah, not 'criminally illegal'.

What?

I was wondering how adhering to UK law was illegal I must say.

I really don't see this as having anything to do with insidious removals of human rights (or anti-terror either - wtf?). No one is forced to join the police. It's a rather complicated argument as to whether or not it's right to ban police from joining the BNP but it's one I broadly agree with. The only problem with it (or my main one anyway) is that is doesn't make the person in questions views any different. It just makes them secret.

 

Something can be against the law without it leading to a criminal issue (penal/civil etc.). I assume it's like that with the police (although whether they break other laws or indeed it should be deemed a hate crime or whatever is perhaps the issue).

 

The secret issue is just another downside of the hypocrisy, as it helps fester and spread things rather than bring them out into the open where they can be openly discussed and refuted.

Is this the case with this issue then? Otherwise I don't see how this is illegal.

 

Can't see how this provision could be found to be unlawful. It's the sort of case that you'd get someone taking to Strasbourg, but I think any element of the dispute which crystalised on the conflict of human rights would be resolved in favour of the state as opposed to a BNP copper tbh.

 

So it's legal to discriminate against someone because of their beliefs? Either way it's murky and hypocritical and rather like the BNP prejudices it's supposedly against.

 

It's legal to discriminate in certain circumstances, aye. Ie in the example mentioned the rationale is that the interests of the state (the millions of people requiring the impartial and free from prejudice protection of the police (don't smirk)) outweighs the interests of the individual BNP member who wants to be employed as a copper. He's having his individual 'rights' curtailed in that limited scenario because to do so would protect a greater number of people who might otherwise be exposed to his prejudices with negative consequences.

 

It depends on your perspective I spose but I think the above is fair enough in the case of the police and certain other agencies for the reasons I've given previously. On the other hand it would probably be a different case if the employer was say a bookmakers or summat. And again depending on your perspective you can either view that dichotomy as 'murky' or an inevitable balancing act between the competing interests of a diverse and complex society-which the law basically has to perform every day.

 

In my opinion the reality of the situation is that society is so complex you're probably never going to get it as clear as you would like it to be tbh Fop.

[ewerk 26352]

How weird a thread full of people spouting complete shite and it seems to be Stevie and Danny B spouting most of it. That never happens.

Fuck off you boring jock cunt.

 

is KCG a member of the SNP I wonder ?

 

Oh aye, he was on here a while back telling us all about how Scotland would be better off with independence. Well that was before their banks went tits up and had to be bailed out by the British government.

 

Which they could have been done by any government scottish or british.

 

You would've been as fucked as Iceland.

 

Not according to most economists.

 

Like who?

[LeazesMag 0]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done , THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

What a load of bollocks. Exactly the same bollocks that I'd imagine you'd hear at a BNP meeting.

 

Victimised white middle-aged males my arse, it's pathetic.

 

what's your view on that bit then ?

[Guest alex]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done , THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

What a load of bollocks. Exactly the same bollocks that I'd imagine you'd hear at a BNP meeting.

 

Victimised white middle-aged males my arse, it's pathetic.

 

what's your view on that bit then ?

The bit in bold? It's not true anyway if that's what you're on about.

[manc-mag 1]

Aye he'd be nicked for public order/incitment to violence at the very least (and wack racially aggravated on the charge sheet to boot).

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205]

How weird a thread full of people spouting complete shite and it seems to be Stevie and Danny B spouting most of it. That never happens.

Fuck off you boring jock cunt.

 

is KCG a member of the SNP I wonder ?

 

Oh aye, he was on here a while back telling us all about how Scotland would be better off with independence. Well that was before their banks went tits up and had to be bailed out by the British government.

 

Which they could have been done by any government scottish or british.

 

You would've been as fucked as Iceland.

 

Not according to most economists.

 

Like who?

 

Andrew Hughes Hallett, professor of economics and public policy at George Mason University in Virginia and a visiting professor at St Andrews University for one.

[Guest alex]

How weird a thread full of people spouting complete shite and it seems to be Stevie and Danny B spouting most of it. That never happens.

Fuck off you boring jock cunt.

 

is KCG a member of the SNP I wonder ?

 

Oh aye, he was on here a while back telling us all about how Scotland would be better off with independence. Well that was before their banks went tits up and had to be bailed out by the British government.

 

Which they could have been done by any government scottish or british.

 

You would've been as fucked as Iceland.

 

Not according to most economists.

 

Like who?

 

Andrew Hughes Hallett, professor of economics and public policy at George Mason University in Virginia and a visiting professor at St Andrews University for one.

Most economists actually meant one economist then? I can't imagine why he'd be biased either.

[manc-mag 1]

How weird a thread full of people spouting complete shite and it seems to be Stevie and Danny B spouting most of it. That never happens.

Fuck off you boring jock cunt.

 

is KCG a member of the SNP I wonder ?

 

Oh aye, he was on here a while back telling us all about how Scotland would be better off with independence. Well that was before their banks went tits up and had to be bailed out by the British government.

 

Which they could have been done by any government scottish or british.

 

You would've been as fucked as Iceland.

 

Not according to most economists.

 

Like who?

 

Andrew Hughes Hallett, professor of economics and public policy at George Mason University in Virginia and a visiting professor at St Andrews University for one.

 

 

Probably isnt even the best economist in his house tbh.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205]

How weird a thread full of people spouting complete shite and it seems to be Stevie and Danny B spouting most of it. That never happens.

Fuck off you boring jock cunt.

 

is KCG a member of the SNP I wonder ?

 

Oh aye, he was on here a while back telling us all about how Scotland would be better off with independence. Well that was before their banks went tits up and had to be bailed out by the British government.

 

Which they could have been done by any government scottish or british.

 

You would've been as fucked as Iceland.

 

Not according to most economists.

 

Like who?

 

Andrew Hughes Hallett, professor of economics and public policy at George Mason University in Virginia and a visiting professor at St Andrews University for one.

Most economists actually meant one economist then? I can't imagine why he'd be biased either.

 

If you want me to name loads of economists who agree with me I can but it may take a while. And all economists are biased depending on who is paying for their advice.

[manc-mag 1]

How weird a thread full of people spouting complete shite and it seems to be Stevie and Danny B spouting most of it. That never happens.

Fuck off you boring jock cunt.

 

is KCG a member of the SNP I wonder ?

 

Oh aye, he was on here a while back telling us all about how Scotland would be better off with independence. Well that was before their banks went tits up and had to be bailed out by the British government.

 

Which they could have been done by any government scottish or british.

 

You would've been as fucked as Iceland.

 

Not according to most economists.

 

Like who?

 

Andrew Hughes Hallett, professor of economics and public policy at George Mason University in Virginia and a visiting professor at St Andrews University for one.

Most economists actually meant one economist then? I can't imagine why he'd be biased either.

 

If you want me to name loads of economists who agree with me I can but it may take a while. And all economists are biased depending on who is paying for their advice.

 

And where is the visiting professor visiting at the moment like?

[Guest alex]

How weird a thread full of people spouting complete shite and it seems to be Stevie and Danny B spouting most of it. That never happens.

Fuck off you boring jock cunt.

 

is KCG a member of the SNP I wonder ?

 

Oh aye, he was on here a while back telling us all about how Scotland would be better off with independence. Well that was before their banks went tits up and had to be bailed out by the British government.

 

Which they could have been done by any government scottish or british.

 

You would've been as fucked as Iceland.

 

Not according to most economists.

 

Like who?

 

Andrew Hughes Hallett, professor of economics and public policy at George Mason University in Virginia and a visiting professor at St Andrews University for one.

Most economists actually meant one economist then? I can't imagine why he'd be biased either.

 

If you want me to name loads of economists who agree with me I can but it may take a while. And all economists are biased depending on who is paying for their advice.

I would imagine a SNP member would be aware of a few economists who were prepared to say Scotland wouldn't have gone down the tubes without a UK bailout in recent times. I'm rather sceptical as to your initial suggestion that the greater body of economists agree though. Feel free to allay that scepticism however, by all means.

[Flair 0]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done, THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

You are a complete joke. When did the bit in bold occur? If you have no common sense or national awareness, I suggest you just shut the fuck up. As for the signs, none of them are in Punjabi, they are in sylheti (Bangladeshi). When you talk shiet about football, you can get away with it. But here, please just keep quiet.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done, THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

You are a complete joke. When did the bit in bold occur? If you have no common sense or national awareness, I suggest you just shut the fuck up. As for the signs, none of them are in Punjabi, they are in sylheti (Bangladeshi). When you talk shiet about football, you can get away with it. But here, please just keep quiet.

 

Doing a paper on the general strike at the moment and after studying his actions for the dardanelles campaign in WWI I must say my opinion of Churchill has dropped dramatically.

[Guest alex]

Grant Wankshaft tbh.

[Fop 1]

Aye he'd be nicked for public order/incitment to violence at the very least (and wack racially aggravated on the charge sheet to boot).

No one was arrested at that Sikh theatre demonstration, despite windows being smashed and threats of violence.

[Guest Stevie]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done, THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

You are a complete joke. When did the bit in bold occur? If you have no common sense or national awareness, I suggest you just shut the fuck up. As for the signs, none of them are in Punjabi, they are in sylheti (Bangladeshi). When you talk shiet about football, you can get away with it. But here, please just keep quiet.

Bangladeshi, Punjabi who gives a fuck, no wonder there's so many racist cunts in London. Muslim fuckin street signs fuck off. As for football you support a team from a city, you've never stepped foot in, in a sport that people from your culture despite having a population have NEVER produced ONE decent footballer, so I suggest you pipe down about that. Baitung Bhutia of Bury, the highest profile player in the history of a country with 1,000,000,000 people. You fucking wet behind the ears twat.

 

As for the bit I've put in bold you little non-entity cunt...

 

Farrukh Dhondy

London Muslims “Celebrate” 9/11

Jihadist mullahs urge 1,000 followers to learn the murderous lessons of the WTC attack.

11 September 2002

 

An obscene spectacle took place in North London earlier today. A thousand Muslims gathered at the Finsbury Park mosque to “celebrate” the bombing of the World Trade Center. The Metropolitan Police deployed a force 500 strong to protect the meeting, called “A Towering Day in History,” from disruption.

 

A dozen or so menacing-looking men with kaffiyehs over their faces stood on the mosque’s steps to prevent unfriendly journalists from entering.

 

The “celebration” began promptly at 1 PM, so that participants could applaud the action of the WTC bombers at exactly 1:46 London time—the exact time, a year earlier, when the first plane hit its target in New York. Chairing the meeting was Abu Hamza, an Egyptian-born engineer turned Muslim mullah, who presides over the notorious Finsbury Park mosque, where several of the detainees in Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, captured fighting for the Taliban and al-Qaida, received their theological training. Hamza also reportedly recruited to the jihad Richard Reid, the would-be shoe-bomber who failed to blow up an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami on December 22, 2001. The good Imam is implicated as well in the training and instigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, under arrest on suspicion of conspiring with the 19 murderers of September 11.

 

The FBI has applied for Hamza’s extradition from the U.K for questioning in the U.S. (the mullah has been a British subject since 1985), but he is still at large in London, free not only to address his congregation but to “celebrate” the events of 9/11. He told the press that Saudi Muslims financed the “celebration” in the hope that from it will arise an organization that represents “the real views of Muslims in Britain.”

 

Scotland Yard’s information office refuses to answer questions as to why Abu Hamza isn’t under arrest. Several leaders of the Muslim community in Britain allege that he is working for the British Secret Services—in particular MI5—as an agent provocateur, but the more likely explanation is that he is more useful to the surveillance services as a free agent than he would be in detention. The police outside the “celebration” had a dozen or so photographers videotaping or taking snapshots of everyone coming in or out of the mosque.

 

Hamza and his mosque act as a focus for young men who have taken the first step of embracing jihadi Islam. They have been known to “pass through” the Finsbury Park mosque and then branch out into clandestine training facilities and programs in Britain and abroad. At last count, the British Foreign Office reported that at least 4,000 British Muslims had received training from al-Qaida, the Taliban, or associated terror groups. Many of these came from Hamza’s congregation, which acts as a point of contact with networks abroad.

 

Hamza is in every way a sinister character. He is blind in one eye, and his left hand has been blown off and replaced by a metal claw. He claims in interviews that he lost his hand and eye when fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, and he uses these injuries as his warrior credentials. The claim is a lie. A British documentary producer, Alu Jamal, interviewed him on camera in Pakistan for a BBC film a year after the Russians left Afghanistan. The footage shows Hamza with his eye and hand intact. His injuries probably result from mishandling explosives.

 

Hamza is also wanted on criminal charges in Yemen in connection with an incident in 1998, when six young British Muslims, all of whom had at some point been under his tutelage, were arrested in that country on suspicion of terrorism. They were caught with weapons, explosives, plans, and maps—all of which they intended to use to attack British diplomats, their families, homes, offices, and church. When the men were captured and tried, they and their families in Britain instantly applied to these same diplomats whose families they had come to murder to represent them—as they were British citizens—and to secure their release from Yemeni justice. One of the young men ultimately convicted was Abu Hamza’s adopted son.

 

The trail of the terrorists led back to Hamza. Far from denying—as their families insisted on doing, despite the evidence—that these men were on a terrorist mission, Hamza said he was in favor of armed struggle against all agencies of the British state that supported corrupt regimes, and if these men, including his son, were found guilty and executed, they would be martyrs to the cause of Islam.

 

If this isn’t sedition, what is?

 

It was pure chaos outside the mosque. A handful of neo-fascists from the British National Party demonstrated under the banner “Keep Britain Out of Foreign Wars, Keep Foreign Wars Out of Britain.” Joining them on the street were a few hundred stalwarts of the Anti-Nazi League—there to protest not the evil “celebration” going on in the mosque but the presence of the British National Party!

 

The assembly adjourned twice for prayers, and the crowds flowed out into the courtyard, led by the muezzin. The star of the meeting was Omar Bakri, a cleric of Syrian origin who heads the sinister cult Al Mahajiroun, which draws its recruits mainly from the colleges and universities of Britain. Al Mahajiroun seeks to make Britain an Islamic state. Bakri told his rapt audience that they must learn the “lessons” of September 11—the murderous lessons, presumably.

 

SCUM

 

If we could turn back time....

[Ketsbaia 0]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done, THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

You are a complete joke. When did the bit in bold occur? If you have no common sense or national awareness, I suggest you just shut the fuck up. As for the signs, none of them are in Punjabi, they are in sylheti (Bangladeshi). When you talk shiet about football, you can get away with it. But here, please just keep quiet.

Bangladeshi, Punjabi who gives a fuck, no wonder there's so many racist cunts in London. Muslim fuckin street signs fuck off. As for football you support a team from a city, you've never stepped foot in, in a sport that people from your culture despite having a population have NEVER produced ONE decent footballer, so I suggest you pipe down about that. Baitung Bhutia of Bury, the highest profile player in the history of a country with 1,000,000,000 people. You fucking wet behind the ears twat.

 

As for the bit I've put in bold you little non-entity cunt...

 

Farrukh Dhondy

London Muslims “Celebrate” 9/11

Jihadist mullahs urge 1,000 followers to learn the murderous lessons of the WTC attack.

11 September 2002

 

An obscene spectacle took place in North London earlier today. A thousand Muslims gathered at the Finsbury Park mosque to “celebrate” the bombing of the World Trade Center. The Metropolitan Police deployed a force 500 strong to protect the meeting, called “A Towering Day in History,” from disruption.

 

A dozen or so menacing-looking men with kaffiyehs over their faces stood on the mosque’s steps to prevent unfriendly journalists from entering.

 

The “celebration” began promptly at 1 PM, so that participants could applaud the action of the WTC bombers at exactly 1:46 London time—the exact time, a year earlier, when the first plane hit its target in New York. Chairing the meeting was Abu Hamza, an Egyptian-born engineer turned Muslim mullah, who presides over the notorious Finsbury Park mosque, where several of the detainees in Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, captured fighting for the Taliban and al-Qaida, received their theological training. Hamza also reportedly recruited to the jihad Richard Reid, the would-be shoe-bomber who failed to blow up an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami on December 22, 2001. The good Imam is implicated as well in the training and instigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, under arrest on suspicion of conspiring with the 19 murderers of September 11.

 

The FBI has applied for Hamza’s extradition from the U.K for questioning in the U.S. (the mullah has been a British subject since 1985), but he is still at large in London, free not only to address his congregation but to “celebrate” the events of 9/11. He told the press that Saudi Muslims financed the “celebration” in the hope that from it will arise an organization that represents “the real views of Muslims in Britain.”

 

Scotland Yard’s information office refuses to answer questions as to why Abu Hamza isn’t under arrest. Several leaders of the Muslim community in Britain allege that he is working for the British Secret Services—in particular MI5—as an agent provocateur, but the more likely explanation is that he is more useful to the surveillance services as a free agent than he would be in detention. The police outside the “celebration” had a dozen or so photographers videotaping or taking snapshots of everyone coming in or out of the mosque.

 

Hamza and his mosque act as a focus for young men who have taken the first step of embracing jihadi Islam. They have been known to “pass through” the Finsbury Park mosque and then branch out into clandestine training facilities and programs in Britain and abroad. At last count, the British Foreign Office reported that at least 4,000 British Muslims had received training from al-Qaida, the Taliban, or associated terror groups. Many of these came from Hamza’s congregation, which acts as a point of contact with networks abroad.

 

Hamza is in every way a sinister character. He is blind in one eye, and his left hand has been blown off and replaced by a metal claw. He claims in interviews that he lost his hand and eye when fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, and he uses these injuries as his warrior credentials. The claim is a lie. A British documentary producer, Alu Jamal, interviewed him on camera in Pakistan for a BBC film a year after the Russians left Afghanistan. The footage shows Hamza with his eye and hand intact. His injuries probably result from mishandling explosives.

 

Hamza is also wanted on criminal charges in Yemen in connection with an incident in 1998, when six young British Muslims, all of whom had at some point been under his tutelage, were arrested in that country on suspicion of terrorism. They were caught with weapons, explosives, plans, and maps—all of which they intended to use to attack British diplomats, their families, homes, offices, and church. When the men were captured and tried, they and their families in Britain instantly applied to these same diplomats whose families they had come to murder to represent them—as they were British citizens—and to secure their release from Yemeni justice. One of the young men ultimately convicted was Abu Hamza’s adopted son.

 

The trail of the terrorists led back to Hamza. Far from denying—as their families insisted on doing, despite the evidence—that these men were on a terrorist mission, Hamza said he was in favor of armed struggle against all agencies of the British state that supported corrupt regimes, and if these men, including his son, were found guilty and executed, they would be martyrs to the cause of Islam.

 

If this isn’t sedition, what is?

 

It was pure chaos outside the mosque. A handful of neo-fascists from the British National Party demonstrated under the banner “Keep Britain Out of Foreign Wars, Keep Foreign Wars Out of Britain.” Joining them on the street were a few hundred stalwarts of the Anti-Nazi League—there to protest not the evil “celebration” going on in the mosque but the presence of the British National Party!

 

The assembly adjourned twice for prayers, and the crowds flowed out into the courtyard, led by the muezzin. The star of the meeting was Omar Bakri, a cleric of Syrian origin who heads the sinister cult Al Mahajiroun, which draws its recruits mainly from the colleges and universities of Britain. Al Mahajiroun seeks to make Britain an Islamic state. Bakri told his rapt audience that they must learn the “lessons” of September 11—the murderous lessons, presumably.

 

SCUM

 

If we could turn back time....

 

If we could find a way,

I'd take back those words that hurt you,

And you'd stay!

 

Never knew Cher hated the Muzzie's, like

Edited November 20, 2008 by Ketsbaia

[ChezGiven 0]

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done, THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

You are a complete joke. When did the bit in bold occur? If you have no common sense or national awareness, I suggest you just shut the fuck up. As for the signs, none of them are in Punjabi, they are in sylheti (Bangladeshi). When you talk shiet about football, you can get away with it. But here, please just keep quiet.

Bangladeshi, Punjabi who gives a fuck, no wonder there's so many racist cunts in London. Muslim fuckin street signs fuck off. As for football you support a team from a city, you've never stepped foot in, in a sport that people from your culture despite having a population have NEVER produced ONE decent footballer, so I suggest you pipe down about that. Baitung Bhutia of Bury, the highest profile player in the history of a country with 1,000,000,000 people. You fucking wet behind the ears twat.

 

As for the bit I've put in bold you little non-entity cunt...

 

Farrukh Dhondy

London Muslims “Celebrate” 9/11

Jihadist mullahs urge 1,000 followers to learn the murderous lessons of the WTC attack.

11 September 2002

 

An obscene spectacle took place in North London earlier today. A thousand Muslims gathered at the Finsbury Park mosque to “celebrate” the bombing of the World Trade Center. The Metropolitan Police deployed a force 500 strong to protect the meeting, called “A Towering Day in History,” from disruption.

 

A dozen or so menacing-looking men with kaffiyehs over their faces stood on the mosque’s steps to prevent unfriendly journalists from entering.

 

The “celebration” began promptly at 1 PM, so that participants could applaud the action of the WTC bombers at exactly 1:46 London time—the exact time, a year earlier, when the first plane hit its target in New York. Chairing the meeting was Abu Hamza, an Egyptian-born engineer turned Muslim mullah, who presides over the notorious Finsbury Park mosque, where several of the detainees in Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, captured fighting for the Taliban and al-Qaida, received their theological training. Hamza also reportedly recruited to the jihad Richard Reid, the would-be shoe-bomber who failed to blow up an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami on December 22, 2001. The good Imam is implicated as well in the training and instigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, under arrest on suspicion of conspiring with the 19 murderers of September 11.

 

The FBI has applied for Hamza’s extradition from the U.K for questioning in the U.S. (the mullah has been a British subject since 1985), but he is still at large in London, free not only to address his congregation but to “celebrate” the events of 9/11. He told the press that Saudi Muslims financed the “celebration” in the hope that from it will arise an organization that represents “the real views of Muslims in Britain.”

 

Scotland Yard’s information office refuses to answer questions as to why Abu Hamza isn’t under arrest. Several leaders of the Muslim community in Britain allege that he is working for the British Secret Services—in particular MI5—as an agent provocateur, but the more likely explanation is that he is more useful to the surveillance services as a free agent than he would be in detention. The police outside the “celebration” had a dozen or so photographers videotaping or taking snapshots of everyone coming in or out of the mosque.

 

Hamza and his mosque act as a focus for young men who have taken the first step of embracing jihadi Islam. They have been known to “pass through” the Finsbury Park mosque and then branch out into clandestine training facilities and programs in Britain and abroad. At last count, the British Foreign Office reported that at least 4,000 British Muslims had received training from al-Qaida, the Taliban, or associated terror groups. Many of these came from Hamza’s congregation, which acts as a point of contact with networks abroad.

 

Hamza is in every way a sinister character. He is blind in one eye, and his left hand has been blown off and replaced by a metal claw. He claims in interviews that he lost his hand and eye when fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, and he uses these injuries as his warrior credentials. The claim is a lie. A British documentary producer, Alu Jamal, interviewed him on camera in Pakistan for a BBC film a year after the Russians left Afghanistan. The footage shows Hamza with his eye and hand intact. His injuries probably result from mishandling explosives.

 

Hamza is also wanted on criminal charges in Yemen in connection with an incident in 1998, when six young British Muslims, all of whom had at some point been under his tutelage, were arrested in that country on suspicion of terrorism. They were caught with weapons, explosives, plans, and maps—all of which they intended to use to attack British diplomats, their families, homes, offices, and church. When the men were captured and tried, they and their families in Britain instantly applied to these same diplomats whose families they had come to murder to represent them—as they were British citizens—and to secure their release from Yemeni justice. One of the young men ultimately convicted was Abu Hamza’s adopted son.

 

The trail of the terrorists led back to Hamza. Far from denying—as their families insisted on doing, despite the evidence—that these men were on a terrorist mission, Hamza said he was in favor of armed struggle against all agencies of the British state that supported corrupt regimes, and if these men, including his son, were found guilty and executed, they would be martyrs to the cause of Islam.

 

If this isn’t sedition, what is?

 

It was pure chaos outside the mosque. A handful of neo-fascists from the British National Party demonstrated under the banner “Keep Britain Out of Foreign Wars, Keep Foreign Wars Out of Britain.” Joining them on the street were a few hundred stalwarts of the Anti-Nazi League—there to protest not the evil “celebration” going on in the mosque but the presence of the British National Party!

 

The assembly adjourned twice for prayers, and the crowds flowed out into the courtyard, led by the muezzin. The star of the meeting was Omar Bakri, a cleric of Syrian origin who heads the sinister cult Al Mahajiroun, which draws its recruits mainly from the colleges and universities of Britain. Al Mahajiroun seeks to make Britain an Islamic state. Bakri told his rapt audience that they must learn the “lessons” of September 11—the murderous lessons, presumably.

 

SCUM

 

If we could turn back time....

 

There is much anger in him.

[ChezGiven 0]

To be blunt about things, muslim extremists in this country are a bunch of utter idiots whose world view is based on pathetic religious dogma and they have very little worth as human beings. Society creates them though, as extremists need their recruits to be disillusioned and angry for their brainwashing to work. When the country that they grew up in also invades countries with little or no justification, its easy to see how it all comes together.

[Guest Stevie]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done, THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

You are a complete joke. When did the bit in bold occur? If you have no common sense or national awareness, I suggest you just shut the fuck up. As for the signs, none of them are in Punjabi, they are in sylheti (Bangladeshi). When you talk shiet about football, you can get away with it. But here, please just keep quiet.

Bangladeshi, Punjabi who gives a fuck, no wonder there's so many racist cunts in London. Muslim fuckin street signs fuck off. As for football you support a team from a city, you've never stepped foot in, in a sport that people from your culture despite having a population have NEVER produced ONE decent footballer, so I suggest you pipe down about that. Baitung Bhutia of Bury, the highest profile player in the history of a country with 1,000,000,000 people. You fucking wet behind the ears twat.

 

As for the bit I've put in bold you little non-entity cunt...

 

Farrukh Dhondy

London Muslims “Celebrate” 9/11

Jihadist mullahs urge 1,000 followers to learn the murderous lessons of the WTC attack.

11 September 2002

 

An obscene spectacle took place in North London earlier today. A thousand Muslims gathered at the Finsbury Park mosque to “celebrate” the bombing of the World Trade Center. The Metropolitan Police deployed a force 500 strong to protect the meeting, called “A Towering Day in History,” from disruption.

 

A dozen or so menacing-looking men with kaffiyehs over their faces stood on the mosque’s steps to prevent unfriendly journalists from entering.

 

The “celebration” began promptly at 1 PM, so that participants could applaud the action of the WTC bombers at exactly 1:46 London time—the exact time, a year earlier, when the first plane hit its target in New York. Chairing the meeting was Abu Hamza, an Egyptian-born engineer turned Muslim mullah, who presides over the notorious Finsbury Park mosque, where several of the detainees in Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, captured fighting for the Taliban and al-Qaida, received their theological training. Hamza also reportedly recruited to the jihad Richard Reid, the would-be shoe-bomber who failed to blow up an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami on December 22, 2001. The good Imam is implicated as well in the training and instigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, under arrest on suspicion of conspiring with the 19 murderers of September 11.

 

The FBI has applied for Hamza’s extradition from the U.K for questioning in the U.S. (the mullah has been a British subject since 1985), but he is still at large in London, free not only to address his congregation but to “celebrate” the events of 9/11. He told the press that Saudi Muslims financed the “celebration” in the hope that from it will arise an organization that represents “the real views of Muslims in Britain.”

 

Scotland Yard’s information office refuses to answer questions as to why Abu Hamza isn’t under arrest. Several leaders of the Muslim community in Britain allege that he is working for the British Secret Services—in particular MI5—as an agent provocateur, but the more likely explanation is that he is more useful to the surveillance services as a free agent than he would be in detention. The police outside the “celebration” had a dozen or so photographers videotaping or taking snapshots of everyone coming in or out of the mosque.

 

Hamza and his mosque act as a focus for young men who have taken the first step of embracing jihadi Islam. They have been known to “pass through” the Finsbury Park mosque and then branch out into clandestine training facilities and programs in Britain and abroad. At last count, the British Foreign Office reported that at least 4,000 British Muslims had received training from al-Qaida, the Taliban, or associated terror groups. Many of these came from Hamza’s congregation, which acts as a point of contact with networks abroad.

 

Hamza is in every way a sinister character. He is blind in one eye, and his left hand has been blown off and replaced by a metal claw. He claims in interviews that he lost his hand and eye when fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, and he uses these injuries as his warrior credentials. The claim is a lie. A British documentary producer, Alu Jamal, interviewed him on camera in Pakistan for a BBC film a year after the Russians left Afghanistan. The footage shows Hamza with his eye and hand intact. His injuries probably result from mishandling explosives.

 

Hamza is also wanted on criminal charges in Yemen in connection with an incident in 1998, when six young British Muslims, all of whom had at some point been under his tutelage, were arrested in that country on suspicion of terrorism. They were caught with weapons, explosives, plans, and maps—all of which they intended to use to attack British diplomats, their families, homes, offices, and church. When the men were captured and tried, they and their families in Britain instantly applied to these same diplomats whose families they had come to murder to represent them—as they were British citizens—and to secure their release from Yemeni justice. One of the young men ultimately convicted was Abu Hamza’s adopted son.

 

The trail of the terrorists led back to Hamza. Far from denying—as their families insisted on doing, despite the evidence—that these men were on a terrorist mission, Hamza said he was in favor of armed struggle against all agencies of the British state that supported corrupt regimes, and if these men, including his son, were found guilty and executed, they would be martyrs to the cause of Islam.

 

If this isn’t sedition, what is?

 

It was pure chaos outside the mosque. A handful of neo-fascists from the British National Party demonstrated under the banner “Keep Britain Out of Foreign Wars, Keep Foreign Wars Out of Britain.” Joining them on the street were a few hundred stalwarts of the Anti-Nazi League—there to protest not the evil “celebration” going on in the mosque but the presence of the British National Party!

 

The assembly adjourned twice for prayers, and the crowds flowed out into the courtyard, led by the muezzin. The star of the meeting was Omar Bakri, a cleric of Syrian origin who heads the sinister cult Al Mahajiroun, which draws its recruits mainly from the colleges and universities of Britain. Al Mahajiroun seeks to make Britain an Islamic state. Bakri told his rapt audience that they must learn the “lessons” of September 11—the murderous lessons, presumably.

 

SCUM

 

If we could turn back time....

 

There is much anger in him.

No anger at all. Just disappointment at how much England has changed. I think you're a magician, you make 3000 posts full of words and manage to say nothing.

[Guest alex]

Aye he'd be nicked for public order/incitment to violence at the very least (and wack racially aggravated on the charge sheet to boot).

No one was arrested at that Sikh theatre demonstration, despite windows being smashed and threats of violence.

You are slipping, you've missed a chance to have a go at the police for not enforcing the law there.