Craig 6313 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I dont think theres too much wrong in the other areas of his game either to be honest... I've never seen him spill the ball in the box, his kicking is on par, if not better than Givens, his reflexes are nowhere near Givens like but who's are? If i had to pick out anything imparticular its that he doesnt seem to command the box as well. I think we've been used to having someone like Given for so long that its easy to pick out the differences for a lot of people, therefore Harper being unfairly judged. Never catches a cross, always punches (often back into danger). Never comes off his line to close down Evidently doesn't communicate with defence (Boro game proved that when instead of Harper booting it out of play, Bassong had to turn around and face the attackers). He's a good championship keeper. He's not of Premiership standard however much we'd like him to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Onion 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Well I hope Krul can cut it next season because Harper makes me nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 133 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I dont think theres too much wrong in the other areas of his game either to be honest... I've never seen him spill the ball in the box, his kicking is on par, if not better than Givens, his reflexes are nowhere near Givens like but who's are? If i had to pick out anything imparticular its that he doesnt seem to command the box as well. I think we've been used to having someone like Given for so long that its easy to pick out the differences for a lot of people, therefore Harper being unfairly judged. Never catches a cross, always punches (often back into danger). Never comes off his line to close down Evidently doesn't communicate with defence (Boro game proved that when instead of Harper booting it out of play, Bassong had to turn around and face the attackers). He's a good championship keeper. He's not of Premiership standard however much we'd like him to be. Thanks again Shay, your loyalty during the Champions League and UEFA Cup seasons is commendable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Harper's the least of our worries imo. It's the easiest thing in the world to call a keeper dodgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. We're on the same page re: Given but he's a class above anything I've seen in goal for us all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. We're on the same page re: Given but he's a class above anything I've seen in goal for us all the same. Yeah, I'm largely talking shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6313 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Aye Given was far from the finished article but he's a million miles ahead of Harper. Take the blinkers off man Asprilla - he's not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. We're on the same page re: Given but he's a class above anything I've seen in goal for us all the same. Yeah, I'm largely talking shit. Nah, I agreed with you. You're right he's become a bit of a target of abuse and you're right it's unfair as he is the least of our worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 86 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. We're on the same page re: Given but he's a class above anything I've seen in goal for us all the same. true enough but his communication to the back 4 and kicking were shit. still are at city. other than that though, probably the best keeper in the premier league at most other things.... harper is not as good and currently plays rather too nervously for my liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 This article in today's Sunday Times doesn't help my battered and twisted nerves at all Possible United team v Hull on May 24 Tomasz Kuszczak , age 27 (league games this season 3) Richard Eckersley, 20 (1) James Chester, 20 (0) Jonny Evans, 21 (16) Fabio Da Silva, 18 (0) Zoran Tosic, 22 (1) Darren Fletcher, 25 (24) Darron Gibson, 21 (2) Nani, 22 (12) Federico Macheda, 17 (3) Danny Welbeck, 18 (2) I can't see Man U fielding anything different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. We're on the same page re: Given but he's a class above anything I've seen in goal for us all the same. Given was a world class shot stopper, as good as any keeper, it was his command of the box and distribution that weren't as good as the very best. Harper obviosuly doesn't match Shay as a shot stopper, but he's looking poorer at commanding his area as well and his kicking and distribution have been very poor this time round. I still rate Harper though, he has a part to play for us next season in either division, but i'd like to see Krull or whoever given a chance pre season to see which of the keepers looks the best and is in the bets form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6313 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. We're on the same page re: Given but he's a class above anything I've seen in goal for us all the same. Yeah, I'm largely talking shit. Nah, I agreed with you. You're right he's become a bit of a target of abuse and you're right it's unfair as he is the least of our worries. Don't think he's the least of our worries like.. Beye or Bassong maybe, but not Harper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. We're on the same page re: Given but he's a class above anything I've seen in goal for us all the same. Yeah, I'm largely talking shit. Nah, I agreed with you. You're right he's become a bit of a target of abuse and you're right it's unfair as he is the least of our worries. Don't think he's the least of our worries like.. Beye or Bassong maybe, but not Harper. Ok Craig, he isn't our biggest problemo though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. We're on the same page re: Given but he's a class above anything I've seen in goal for us all the same. Yeah, I'm largely talking shit. Nah, I agreed with you. You're right he's become a bit of a target of abuse and you're right it's unfair as he is the least of our worries. Don't think he's the least of our worries like.. Beye or Bassong maybe, but not Harper. The worry with Beye and Bassong is will they fancy the championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6313 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Fair enough like but (without having dropped any obvious clangers) he doesn't real look the part to me. I suppose we've been spoilt a bit by having the best Newcastle keeper in recent memory (if not the best) with Given. We've obviously been spoiled to some extent but I never rated Given as much as most people did. He was clearly a very good keeper but I don't think his command of the back line was anything to shout about and his distribution was usually average at best. He LOOKED like a good keeper from an acrobatic point of view on many occasions but I wouldn't put him in the Schmichel bracket by a long way. Bassong's had a few poorer games lately...Enrique was written off in his first season etc etc... the point I'm making is that I don't think Harper's costing us points although he seems to be the fashionable player to knock at the moment for some reason. We're on the same page re: Given but he's a class above anything I've seen in goal for us all the same. Yeah, I'm largely talking shit. Nah, I agreed with you. You're right he's become a bit of a target of abuse and you're right it's unfair as he is the least of our worries. Don't think he's the least of our worries like.. Beye or Bassong maybe, but not Harper. The worry with Beye and Bassong is will they fancy the championship? The hypothesis I'm giving it is if we survive. If we go into the Championship, I reckon they'll both be away. I also reckon Harper will be good enough down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9033 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 To be honest it depends on who owns us and who manages us? Ashley and Kinnear? we'll lose the few good players we have (Beye, Bassong, Enrique) they'll be replaced by cloggers on inflated wages. Ashley and Shearer? I'd expect us to keep a few of the better players, shear a few of the dead wood from the squad and give more chances to lercal lads Gates and Shearer, whey it'll be Kaka, Raul, Barzagli, Nesta, et al... you know, past their best, but still got something to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6313 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 To be honest it depends on who owns us and who manages us? Ashley and Kinnear? we'll lose the few good players we have (Beye, Bassong, Enrique) they'll be replaced by cloggers on inflated wages. Ashley and Shearer? I'd expect us to keep a few of the better players, shear a few of the dead wood from the squad and give more chances to lercal lads Gates and Shearer, whey it'll be Kaka, Raul, Barzagli, Nesta, et al... you know, past their best, but still got something to offer. I don't want Mackem Eric anywhere near my club thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shear class! 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Author Share Posted May 17, 2009 This article in today's Sunday Times doesn't help my battered and twisted nerves at all Possible United team v Hull on May 24 Tomasz Kuszczak , age 27 (league games this season 3) Richard Eckersley, 20 (1) James Chester, 20 (0) Jonny Evans, 21 (16) Fabio Da Silva, 18 (0) Zoran Tosic, 22 (1) Darren Fletcher, 25 (24) Darron Gibson, 21 (2) Nani, 22 (12) Federico Macheda, 17 (3) Danny Welbeck, 18 (2) I can't see Man U fielding anything different. Ronaldo will be begging Fergie to play, thanks to the Anelka goal today. I think he may feature against Hull IMO he'll be begging he wants that golden boot all to himself....... Any thoughts on this anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 This article in today's Sunday Times doesn't help my battered and twisted nerves at all Possible United team v Hull on May 24 Tomasz Kuszczak , age 27 (league games this season 3) Richard Eckersley, 20 (1) James Chester, 20 (0) Jonny Evans, 21 (16) Fabio Da Silva, 18 (0) Zoran Tosic, 22 (1) Darren Fletcher, 25 (24) Darron Gibson, 21 (2) Nani, 22 (12) Federico Macheda, 17 (3) Danny Welbeck, 18 (2) I can't see Man U fielding anything different. Ronaldo will be begging Fergie to play, thanks to the Anelka goal today. I think he may feature against Hull IMO he'll be begging he wants that golden boot all to himself....... Any thoughts on this anyone? I think you're right he will want to play but i think Fergie will tell him he isn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shear class! 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Author Share Posted May 17, 2009 This article in today's Sunday Times doesn't help my battered and twisted nerves at all Possible United team v Hull on May 24 Tomasz Kuszczak , age 27 (league games this season 3) Richard Eckersley, 20 (1) James Chester, 20 (0) Jonny Evans, 21 (16) Fabio Da Silva, 18 (0) Zoran Tosic, 22 (1) Darren Fletcher, 25 (24) Darron Gibson, 21 (2) Nani, 22 (12) Federico Macheda, 17 (3) Danny Welbeck, 18 (2) I can't see Man U fielding anything different. Ronaldo will be begging Fergie to play, thanks to the Anelka goal today. I think he may feature against Hull IMO he'll be begging he wants that golden boot all to himself....... Any thoughts on this anyone? I think you're right he will want to play but i think Fergie will tell him he isn't! Not even on the bench? I hope he does TBH.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Even with Ronaldo I can see Hull winning this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4ever 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/e...rem/8048308.stm Man Utd (from): Kuszczak, Amos, Neville, Brown, De Laet, Ferdinand, Chester, Eckersley, Simpson, Fabio, Nani, Fletcher, Gibson, Tosic, Martin, Drinkwater, Macheda, Welbeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GafferTape 0 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Errm, and the Chelsea squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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