Rob W 0 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 "hor Heyerdahl proved you could get from South America to Polynesia on floating logs tied together with a primative sail. " aye but most people have said no thanks and take the Air New Zealand flight to Auckland instead.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Thor Heyerdahl proved you could get from South America to Polynesia on floating logs tied together with a primative sail. On top of that the distances are unimaginably huge to get from here to the edge of the Solar System let alone other Solar Systems. Which is about where we are with space craft. So you've said, but the analogy doesn't work for me except in the loosest sense because a few bits of wood and a sail will take you everywhere on the oceans eventually because of trade winds, currents etc. Space travel doesn't work like that however. It won't, but it may get you somewhere, if you are very lucky. But even ancient/basic boat technology is a long way above that log. And again (again) you could likely get to Mars (and maybe even land and get back) with Moon-era technology, that's not the hard bit, the hard bit is getting something that could get to Mars out of the Earth's atmosphere and orbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Thor Heyerdahl proved you could get from South America to Polynesia on floating logs tied together with a primative sail. On top of that the distances are unimaginably huge to get from here to the edge of the Solar System let alone other Solar Systems. Which is about where we are with space craft. So you've said, but the analogy doesn't work for me except in the loosest sense because a few bits of wood and a sail will take you everywhere on the oceans eventually because of trade winds, currents etc. Space travel doesn't work like that however. It won't, but it may get you somewhere, if you are very lucky. But even ancient/basic boat technology is a long way above that log. And again (again) you could likely get to Mars (and maybe even land and get back) with Moon-era technology, that's not the hard bit, the hard bit is getting something that could get to Mars out of the Earth's atmosphere and orbit. Yeah but the Apollo Saturn V rocket is the most complicated machine ever made so how's that like a log? Plus those early logs tied together went just about everywhere modern ships can go, so that's somewhere else the analogy falls down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 "hor Heyerdahl proved you could get from South America to Polynesia on floating logs tied together with a primative sail. " aye but most people have said no thanks and take the Air New Zealand flight to Auckland instead.......... It's the way you tell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 "Mr Nelson, a former astronaut, bemoaned the fact that, between 2010 and 2015, the US will have no way of transporting its astronauts to the International Space Station except aboard Russian Soyuz spacecraft. Michael Griffin, a former Nasa chief who championed the Constellation programme, warned that America had concentrated for too long on space shuttles – which are being retired - while rivals, such as China, were emerging with more ambitious goals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) "WASHINGTON - Some congressmen believe the United States and China are in an unacknowledged space race that this country could lose if it doesn't spend more money on the civilian space program. The communist nation's military runs its manned space program, employs an estimated 200,000 workers and has set a goal of putting an astronaut on the moon by 2017. By contrast, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration is a civilian government program with a limited budget that directly employs fewer than 20,000 civil servants and has lost the commanding lead it once held over the rest of the world in human space exploration. "We have a space race going on right now and the American people are totally unaware of all this," said Rep. Tom DeLay, the Texas Republican whose district includes Johnson Space Center near Houston. The theme, which is not new, emerged again Thursday at a Capitol Hill hearing where lawmakers were quizzing NASA Administrator Mike Griffin about the Bush administration's budget request for the space program. This time, though, lawmakers sounded as if they might be willing to do more than just talk about the issue. Griffin was asked to produce in 30 days an unclassified report to Congress containing an assessment of the Chinese space program and its goals. Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va., chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee with NASA oversight, said he would hold a hearing on the subject to coincide with the report's release. Griffin acknowledged that China's new Shenzou spaceships are capable of supporting a crew on a round-trip mission to the moon. But their Long March rockets are not powerful enough to get them there, he said. The United States has neither a crew vehicle nor a rocket capable of making a moon run. The shuttle is designed for low Earth orbit only." Edited July 6, 2009 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lkvtp/Space_Dogs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Thor Heyerdahl proved you could get from South America to Polynesia on floating logs tied together with a primative sail. On top of that the distances are unimaginably huge to get from here to the edge of the Solar System let alone other Solar Systems. Which is about where we are with space craft. So you've said, but the analogy doesn't work for me except in the loosest sense because a few bits of wood and a sail will take you everywhere on the oceans eventually because of trade winds, currents etc. Space travel doesn't work like that however. It won't, but it may get you somewhere, if you are very lucky. But even ancient/basic boat technology is a long way above that log. And again (again) you could likely get to Mars (and maybe even land and get back) with Moon-era technology, that's not the hard bit, the hard bit is getting something that could get to Mars out of the Earth's atmosphere and orbit. Yeah but the Apollo Saturn V rocket is the most complicated machine ever made so how's that like a log? Plus those early logs tied together went just about everywhere modern ships can go, so that's somewhere else the analogy falls down. Aye, and it also falls down because clearly there is no difference between a log and and the QE2 or a even nuclear submarine. Although like Fop has repeatedly said we could go to Mars with moon landing era-technology, it would just be a ridiculously massive job to get it out of the Earth's atmosphere/orbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 "the Apollo Saturn V rocket is the most complicated machine ever mad" FFS man - it was designed in the early '60's - and it wasn't that complex - rockets are "light blue touchpaper and retire" it was BIG indeed Concorde & the 747 were a much greater engineering challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 "the Apollo Saturn V rocket is the most complicated machine ever mad" FFS man - it was designed in the early '60's - and it wasn't that complex - rockets are "light blue touchpaper and retire" it was BIG indeed Concorde & the 747 were a much greater engineering challenge Fop assumes he knows that (and is just being facetious)....... well either that or he genuinely doesn't see the difference between a log and a boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 133 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 More fuel for the conspiracy theorists ? Is he nervous about public speaking or uncomfortable lying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 More fuel for the conspiracy theorists ? Is he nervous about public speaking or uncomfortable lying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Good programme on BBC4 last night about Apollo XVII with Eugene Cernan (the mission commander and last man on the Moon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 Good programme on BBC4 last night about Apollo XVII with Eugene Cernan (the mission commander and last man on the Moon). http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b008g...an_on_the_Moon/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Good programme on BBC4 last night about Apollo XVII with Eugene Cernan (the mission commander and last man on the Moon). The data from that highlights the big problem: * Launch mass: 6,455,000 lb (2,928,000 kg)* Total spacecraft: 102,900 lb (46,700 kg) o CSM mass: 66,840 lb (30,320 kg), of which CM was 13,140 lb (5,960 kg), SM 53,700 lb (24,400 kg) o LM mass: transposition and docking stage 36,274 lb (16,454 kg), separation for lunar landing 36,771 lb (16,679 kg), ascent stage at liftoff 10,997 lb (4,988 kg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 It's just silly getting all that fuel and tonnage off the ground against our gravity. Nasa : Numpty airhead space Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9027 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 It's just silly getting all that fuel and tonnage off the ground against our gravity. Nasa : Numpty airhead space Americans. But Aliens thought it was worthwhile to explore space AND come visit us AND then depart once more, using all that fuel and tonnage off the ground against our gravity... so surely we should give it a go too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 How the fuck will they ever get anything out of our solar system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 It's just silly getting all that fuel and tonnage off the ground against our gravity. Nasa : Numpty airhead space Americans. But Aliens thought it was worthwhile to explore space AND come visit us AND then depart once more, using all that fuel and tonnage off the ground against our gravity... so surely we should give it a go too. They have the technology to move moons we have the technology to move big heavy bits of metal nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9027 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 By utilising the power of the crop-circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 By utilising the power of the crop-circles. Those are done by their bots that have been here for 200,000 years in underground silos hence they're still using pictograms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9027 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 By utilising the power of the crop-circles. Those are done by their bots that have been here for 200,000 years in underground silos hence they're still using pictograms. Exactly, we'll reverse engineer a spacship from a captured Crop-Circle-Bot... just like we did with the Transformers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 By utilising the power of the crop-circles. Those are done by their bots that have been here for 200,000 years in underground silos hence they're still using pictograms. Exactly, we'll reverse engineer a spacship from a captured Crop-Circle-Bot... just like we did with the Transformers. They've been trying that (with some success) since the 50's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9027 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 By utilising the power of the crop-circles. Those are done by their bots that have been here for 200,000 years in underground silos hence they're still using pictograms. Exactly, we'll reverse engineer a spacship from a captured Crop-Circle-Bot... just like we did with the Transformers. They've been trying that (with some success) since the 50's. I know Do you reckon the Ant overlords will keep us as pets or just eat us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) It's just silly getting all that fuel and tonnage off the ground against our gravity. Nasa : Numpty airhead space Americans. Compare the size of all that gets it out of the Earth's atmosphere/orbit to what gets it to the moon, lands, takes off and gets back (allegedly ). Edited July 8, 2009 by Fop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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