The men we hold accountable

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1 Souness ripped the team appart in an undignified way.You mean like Ashley has done with the club?

2 Fred (04-07) sacked SBR and hired Souness.Well that accounts for 30 days of the period you're talking about - what about the other 3 years?

3 Fat Sam losing ugly, cheersNot pretty football admittedly but was the previous regime's choice. Seem to remember he was doing rather well up until November but people tend to remember time after that....

4 Mort good with the press, but ultimately allowed the wage bill to spiral.Ultimately?? When was this? And why did Ashley allow him if he did? The bloke runs Freshfields FFS, not some sleazy casino

5 Llabias called Keegans bluff despite his history, very naive and let Given go without lining up a swap.First I've heard of 'Trotter' being in charge of player recruitment - perhaps Keegan had more reason to be pissed of than first thought?

6 Ashley took a gamble on relegation by not spending and rather than saying he'd correct it he put the club up for sale.and then took us off sale and then back on and then back off - refused to listen to anyone, appointed Shearer and said it was the best thing he'd ever done and then never spoke to him again after 2 days after the last day of the season - no fucking respect for anything. Utter cunt of a man

7 Shola I can't stand lazy players and strola is as lazy as they come. Although everytime he comes on I do get sarcastically say "here comes cavalry"If being a 'lazy player' is justification for appearing in here, you'd better start putting some others in before Ameobi. A certain French winger springs instantly to mind.

 

 

you can't half tell the type of clueless cunt who posts on Newcastle Online when you see shite like this

[Phil 6]

1 Souness ripped the team appart in an undignified way.You mean like Ashley has done with the club?Souness set out with the intention of dismanteling the squad

2 Fred (04-07) sacked SBR and hired Souness.Well that accounts for 30 days of the period you're talking about - what about the other 3 years?the club slowly went backwards

3 Fat Sam losing ugly, cheersNot pretty football admittedly but was the previous regime's choice. Seem to remember he was doing rather well up until November but people tend to remember time after that....still ugly football

4 Mort good with the press, but ultimately allowed the wage bill to spiral.Ultimately?? When was this? And why did Ashley allow him if he did? The bloke runs Freshfields FFS, not some sleazy casinoHe seemed a nice guy, said all the right things etc... but the wage bill rose to 70m and the standard of players dropped

5 Llabias called Keegans bluff despite his history, very naive and let Given go without lining up a swap.First I've heard of 'Trotter' being in charge of player recruitment - perhaps Keegan had more reason to be pissed of than first thought?Dekka signs the cheque, which gives him veto. He must have known KK was unhappy.

6 Ashley took a gamble on relegation by not spending and rather than saying he'd correct it he put the club up for sale.and then took us off sale and then back on and then back off - refused to listen to anyone, appointed Shearer and said it was the best thing he'd ever done and then never spoke to him again after 2 days after the last day of the season - no fucking respect for anything. Utter cunt of a manI'm not fussed about the first sale attempt as he had every reason to leave, and every right to ask for a highish price, it's the summer after we got relegated i have issue with. He messed the club up and wantd to walk.

7 Shola I can't stand lazy players and strola is as lazy as they come. Although everytime he comes on I do get sarcastically say "here comes cavalry"If being a 'lazy player' is justification for appearing in here, you'd better start putting some others in before Ameobi. A certain French winger springs instantly to mind.Its my list, Shola stays on it

[peasepud 59]

1 Souness ripped the team appart in an undignified way.

2 Fred (04-07) sacked SBR and hired Souness.

3 Fat Sam losing ugly, cheers

4 Mort good with the press, but ultimately allowed the wage bill to spiral.

5 Llabias called Keegans bluff despite his history, very naive and let Given go without lining up a swap.

6 Ashley took a gamble on relegation by not spending and rather than saying he'd correct it he put the club up for sale.

7 Shola I can't stand lazy players and strola is as lazy as they come. Although everytime he comes on I do get sarcastically say "here comes cavalry"

 

So lets get this right, the bloke who gave us SBR and ran us while we were in the Champions league is 4 places ahead of the bloke who has sytematically ripped the club apart, made us a laughing stock, lied to the fans, press and managers sold some of our best players then had us relegated while making profits in the transfer windows.

 

At the same time the chairman who presided over us during the slightly better part of Ashleys reign and brought in dealings with the fans etc is more at fault than the current greasy worm who wouldnt know how to deal with fans if he had to.

 

Oh and a manager who was here years ago and just happened to be shite is the worst of all?

 

Im guessing you wrote all those names down on bits of paper and threw them in the air to make that list, either that or you mis read it as a "worst tache" competition.

 

 

I've added an extra line in bold above for you.... are you going to grace the thread with your order?

 

 

As for the laughable attempt to say Fred should get praise for giving us SBR, it wasn't exactly rocket science hiring him was it? Now if he wasn't from the North East with a affinty for the club and a long successful carrer behind him maybe it would deserve praise.

 

The order is largely because I don't think getting relegated was as bad as sacking SBR and bringing in Souness. You speak about the player being sold etc, but i didn't like any of them, they were either over rated, over paid, injury prone or French.

 

Yeah I am, once Ive spent some time thinking about it properly not just using some random order, all your justifications above are valid reasons for having people on the list and tbf I hold most of those above as accountable in some shape or form but haway man get your ordering sorted.

 

Yes Souness dismantled a good squad but he did it because he felt he could create a better one, its evey managers right to change things round, some squads can be fantastic under one manager but try and fit them into anothers style of play and they're shite. Thats not defending the bloke btw but hes not the reason we're here in the position we are now.

 

Yes, Fred sacked SBR and hired Souness but he also did numerous other things for this club, without the whole Freddy debate raging again, you have to take into account everything and the best years we had were when Fred was involved. Your logic though that he should get no praise for hiring a great manager but all the stick for firing him is a bit rich.

 

Fat Sam lost games, yes and it was ugly football but again hes not the reason we went down, Hughton and Shearer both lost games too, games which contributed to a relegation season, are they therefore not more to blame than Sammy boy?

 

As for Mort ultimately allowing the wage bill to spiral, thats laughable, he did his stuff under an owner who at the time appeared not to have a problem with it, there was no debt to banks so its not like we were going to be paying out millions on interest. At the time he wasnt to know fat boy would lose some cash playing daft twats on the markets and try to claw it back from us. Mort was screwed over by Ashley nearly as much as we were. Even if he was Ashleys puppet, at least he had respect for the fans.

[bobbyshinton 59]

Ashley

The fans

 

hate Owen

[Craig 6375]

1 Souness ripped the team appart in an undignified way.You mean like Ashley has done with the club?Souness set out with the intention of dismanteling the squad

2 Fred (04-07) sacked SBR and hired Souness.Well that accounts for 30 days of the period you're talking about - what about the other 3 years?the club slowly went backwards

3 Fat Sam losing ugly, cheersNot pretty football admittedly but was the previous regime's choice. Seem to remember he was doing rather well up until November but people tend to remember time after that....still ugly football

4 Mort good with the press, but ultimately allowed the wage bill to spiral.Ultimately?? When was this? And why did Ashley allow him if he did? The bloke runs Freshfields FFS, not some sleazy casinoHe seemed a nice guy, said all the right things etc... but the wage bill rose to 70m and the standard of players dropped

5 Llabias called Keegans bluff despite his history, very naive and let Given go without lining up a swap.First I've heard of 'Trotter' being in charge of player recruitment - perhaps Keegan had more reason to be pissed of than first thought?Dekka signs the cheque, which gives him veto. He must have known KK was unhappy.

6 Ashley took a gamble on relegation by not spending and rather than saying he'd correct it he put the club up for sale.and then took us off sale and then back on and then back off - refused to listen to anyone, appointed Shearer and said it was the best thing he'd ever done and then never spoke to him again after 2 days after the last day of the season - no fucking respect for anything. Utter cunt of a manI'm not fussed about the first sale attempt as he had every reason to leave, and every right to ask for a highish price, it's the summer after we got relegated i have issue with. He messed the club up and wantd to walk.

7 Shola I can't stand lazy players and strola is as lazy as they come. Although everytime he comes on I do get sarcastically say "here comes cavalry"If being a 'lazy player' is justification for appearing in here, you'd better start putting some others in before Ameobi. A certain French winger springs instantly to mind.Its my list, Shola stays on it

 

1. As does most 'new' managers. Keegan did the same first time round, Robson did the same. The old adage is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" but at the time we were all moaning that there was no discipline at the club. I'm not defending Souness in the least because I think he was utter shite but whilst he deserves to be on this list, there are others who should be higher.

2. Whereas under Ashley it's gone even further backwards only at greater speed.

3. GREAT argument. So 'ugly football' alone puts him at number 3 does it? More like you know he shouldn't be that high but you're too arrogant to admit it.

4. Ashley is more responsible for the wage bill increasing than Mort. After all it's 'Mike's money' that we keep being reminding is running this club.

5. You're missing my point - isn't it the team manager's responsibility to buy and sell players and ensure we get a good deal out of it? All supporting evidence for why meddling Dekka should be higher.

6. So of all his misdemeanours the only thing you have issue with where Ashley is concerned is last summer? Nothing at all with regards to happened the summer before, particularly September?

7. I'm frankly amazed that there's only 6 people you think are more attributable to our demise than Shola. Perhaps it's an attempt at humour?

[bobbyshinton 59]

1 Souness ripped the team appart in an undignified way.You mean like Ashley has done with the club?Souness set out with the intention of dismanteling the squad

2 Fred (04-07) sacked SBR and hired Souness.Well that accounts for 30 days of the period you're talking about - what about the other 3 years?the club slowly went backwards

3 Fat Sam losing ugly, cheersNot pretty football admittedly but was the previous regime's choice. Seem to remember he was doing rather well up until November but people tend to remember time after that....still ugly football

4 Mort good with the press, but ultimately allowed the wage bill to spiral.Ultimately?? When was this? And why did Ashley allow him if he did? The bloke runs Freshfields FFS, not some sleazy casinoHe seemed a nice guy, said all the right things etc... but the wage bill rose to 70m and the standard of players dropped

5 Llabias called Keegans bluff despite his history, very naive and let Given go without lining up a swap.First I've heard of 'Trotter' being in charge of player recruitment - perhaps Keegan had more reason to be pissed of than first thought?Dekka signs the cheque, which gives him veto. He must have known KK was unhappy.

6 Ashley took a gamble on relegation by not spending and rather than saying he'd correct it he put the club up for sale.and then took us off sale and then back on and then back off - refused to listen to anyone, appointed Shearer and said it was the best thing he'd ever done and then never spoke to him again after 2 days after the last day of the season - no fucking respect for anything. Utter cunt of a manI'm not fussed about the first sale attempt as he had every reason to leave, and every right to ask for a highish price, it's the summer after we got relegated i have issue with. He messed the club up and wantd to walk.

7 Shola I can't stand lazy players and strola is as lazy as they come. Although everytime he comes on I do get sarcastically say "here comes cavalry"If being a 'lazy player' is justification for appearing in here, you'd better start putting some others in before Ameobi. A certain French winger springs instantly to mind.Its my list, Shola stays on it

 

1. As does most 'new' managers. Keegan did the same first time round, Robson did the same. The old adage is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" but at the time we were all moaning that there was no discipline at the club. I'm not defending Souness in the least because I think he was utter shite but whilst he deserves to be on this list, there are others who should be higher.

2. Whereas under Ashley it's gone even further backwards only at greater speed.

3. GREAT argument. So 'ugly football' alone puts him at number 3 does it? More like you know he shouldn't be that high but you're too arrogant to admit it.

4. Ashley is more responsible for the wage bill increasing than Mort. After all it's 'Mike's money' that we keep being reminding is running this club.

5. You're missing my point - isn't it the team manager's responsibility to buy and sell players and ensure we get a good deal out of it? All supporting evidence for why meddling Dekka should be higher.

6. So of all his misdemeanours the only thing you have issue with where Ashley is concerned is last summer? Nothing at all with regards to happened the summer before, particularly September?

7. I'm frankly amazed that there's only 6 people you think are more attributable to our demise than Shola. Perhaps it's an attempt at humour?

 

No way in a million years should Shola be on this list. He has done more for this club than absoloutley loads;

 

Michael Owen

Keiron Dyer

Alert Luque

Boumsong

Damien Duff

 

and the list goes on and on

 

It would be harder to list players who have done more for the club over the last 5 years.

[Guest Barrack Road]

The fact Shola is on the list and it's not a joke is a disgrace to be honest. Shola has given us some good moments, he's perhaps not lived up to the upper limits of his potential, but he's honest and his style is to look lazy a lot of the time. Shola's self esteem would be zero if he took stuff like the above to heart.

Edited April 9, 2010 by Barrack Road

[Craig 6375]

The fact Shola is on the list and it's not a joke is a disgrace to be honest. Shola has given us some good moments, he's perhaps not lived up to the upper limits of his potential, but he's honest and his style is to look lazy a lot of the time. Shola's self esteem would be zero if he took stuff like the above to heart.

 

Any individual player being included on the list is both a joke and a disgrace tbh. They're a team of 11 and not one player is accountable for what happened to us - even Owen.

 

If we're going to single out individuals then why not Duff? He scored the own goal that sent us down, promised he'd stick around and do everything in his power to bring us back up and then promptly fucked off at the first opportunity (on the back of a warning from Trapattoni I'm led to believe).

 

But again, I don't think he's responsible either.

[Guest Barrack Road]

The fact Shola is on the list and it's not a joke is a disgrace to be honest. Shola has given us some good moments, he's perhaps not lived up to the upper limits of his potential, but he's honest and his style is to look lazy a lot of the time. Shola's self esteem would be zero if he took stuff like the above to heart.

 

Any individual player being included on the list is both a joke and a disgrace tbh. They're a team of 11 and not one player is accountable for what happened to us - even Owen.

 

If we're going to single out individuals then why not Duff? He scored the own goal that sent us down, promised he'd stick around and do everything in his power to bring us back up and then promptly fucked off at the first opportunity (on the back of a warning from Trapattoni I'm led to believe).

 

But again, I don't think he's responsible either.

Owen is representative of the type of player who has driven us in to the floor over the last 6 or 7 years, there's not a better example than him.

[Guest alex]

Ashley

Lambias

Wise

Kinnear

Souness

Allardyce

Marcellino

Alan Oliver

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Christmas Tree

[Craig 6375]

The fact Shola is on the list and it's not a joke is a disgrace to be honest. Shola has given us some good moments, he's perhaps not lived up to the upper limits of his potential, but he's honest and his style is to look lazy a lot of the time. Shola's self esteem would be zero if he took stuff like the above to heart.

 

Any individual player being included on the list is both a joke and a disgrace tbh. They're a team of 11 and not one player is accountable for what happened to us - even Owen.

 

If we're going to single out individuals then why not Duff? He scored the own goal that sent us down, promised he'd stick around and do everything in his power to bring us back up and then promptly fucked off at the first opportunity (on the back of a warning from Trapattoni I'm led to believe).

 

But again, I don't think he's responsible either.

Owen is representative of the type of player who has driven us in to the floor over the last 6 or 7 years, there's not a better example than him.

 

Still not individually accountable.

[Guest alex]

Barton's a better example tbf. So are Geremi and Viduka. Not that I'm sticking up for Owen. Martins is on a par as well.

[Craig 6375]

Barton's a better example tbf. So are Geremi and Viduka. Not that I'm sticking up for Owen. Martins is on a par as well.

 

They're still not as accountable as somelike like Dennis Wise who for some reason doesn't appear in Phil's list at all....

[Guest alex]

Barton's a better example tbf. So are Geremi and Viduka. Not that I'm sticking up for Owen. Martins is on a par as well.

 

They're still not as accountable as somelike like Dennis Wise who for some reason doesn't appear in Phil's list at all....

I think you have to look at what sort of atmosphere at the club leads players to take the piss so much. Been like that since Robson's final year or so tbh. I think players will just do what they can get away with (and even the conscientious ones will care less if they see others not giving a shit). Not really excusing the players but blaming individual ones isn't really addressing the real problem. Not saying I'm not delighted Owen is fucked and will never play for England again, obviously.

[Guest Barrack Road]

Barton's a better example tbf. So are Geremi and Viduka. Not that I'm sticking up for Owen. Martins is on a par as well.

 

They're still not as accountable as somelike like Dennis Wise who for some reason doesn't appear in Phil's list at all....

I think you have to look at what sort of atmosphere at the club leads players to take the piss so much. Been like that since Robson's final year or so tbh. I think players will just do what they can get away with (and even the conscientious ones will care less if they see others not giving a shit). Not really excusing the players but blaming individual ones isn't really addressing the real problem. Not saying I'm not delighted Owen is fucked and will never play for England again, obviously.

Not saying this because you're a pedant or anything there Alex, but there's a double negative in your last sentence

 

When talking about Owen you have to question his attitude, and remember £40m + was how much it cost for us to have him over the period. He couldn't wait to get away.

[Craig 6375]

Barton's a better example tbf. So are Geremi and Viduka. Not that I'm sticking up for Owen. Martins is on a par as well.

 

They're still not as accountable as somelike like Dennis Wise who for some reason doesn't appear in Phil's list at all....

I think you have to look at what sort of atmosphere at the club leads players to take the piss so much. Been like that since Robson's final year or so tbh. I think players will just do what they can get away with (and even the conscientious ones will care less if they see others not giving a shit). Not really excusing the players but blaming individual ones isn't really addressing the real problem. Not saying I'm not delighted Owen is fucked and will never play for England again, obviously.

Not saying this because you're a pedant or anything there Alex, but there's a double negative in your last sentence

 

When talking about Owen you have to question his attitude, and remember £40m + was how much it cost for us to have him over the period. He couldn't wait to get away.

 

While I agree Owen took the piss, I think there's two aspects that are often overlooked:

 

1. He's nowhere near the player he used to be - lost his edge when he got injured late on in his Liverpool career IMO.

2. The service he got from our midfield, particuarly in the final 2 years, was absolutely diabolical.

 

That said, the few chances he did get late on last season, he fucked up...

[Guest alex]

Barton's a better example tbf. So are Geremi and Viduka. Not that I'm sticking up for Owen. Martins is on a par as well.

 

They're still not as accountable as somelike like Dennis Wise who for some reason doesn't appear in Phil's list at all....

I think you have to look at what sort of atmosphere at the club leads players to take the piss so much. Been like that since Robson's final year or so tbh. I think players will just do what they can get away with (and even the conscientious ones will care less if they see others not giving a shit). Not really excusing the players but blaming individual ones isn't really addressing the real problem. Not saying I'm not delighted Owen is fucked and will never play for England again, obviously.

Not saying this because you're a pedant or anything there Alex, but there's a double negative in your last sentence

 

When talking about Owen you have to question his attitude, and remember £40m + was how much it cost for us to have him over the period. He couldn't wait to get away.

Aye, but it's deliberate.

Owen's a little shit but I see him as a symptom rather than a root cause, if you like.

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Lambias

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Allardyce

Marcellino

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Christmas Tree

 

[LeazesMag 0]

1 Souness

2 Fred (04-07)

3 Fat Sam

4 Mort

5 Llabias

6 Ashley

7 Shola

 

So lets get this right, the bloke who gave us SBR and ran us while we were in the Champions league is 4 places ahead of the bloke who has sytematically ripped the club apart, made us a laughing stock, lied to the fans, press and managers sold some of our best players then had us relegated while making profits in the transfer windows.

 

At the same time the chairman who presided over us during the slightly better part of Ashleys reign and brought in dealings with the fans etc is more at fault than the current greasy worm who wouldnt know how to deal with fans if he had to.

 

Oh and a manager who was here years ago and just happened to be shite is the worst of all?

 

Im guessing you wrote all those names down on bits of paper and threw them in the air to make that list, either that or you mis read it as a "worst tache" competition.

 

Agree with all of that. Phil must be a bit on the young side I reckon ........

 

Shola ? He might not be very good at premiership level, but thats no reason to hate him when he has the club at heart.

 

Is that really his sister that dances in the Vaults BTW ?

[Guest alex]

His sister works or worked at least in Eldon Leisure. She's his double. I saw Sammy Ameobi on the Metro the other day as well. He's the spit of Shola as well.

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daft racist, etc.

[Phil 6]

Sarcasim isn't easy to convey over the internet, but I thought listing Shola was it obvious.

[spongebob toonpants 3677]

7 Shola I can't stand lazy players and strola is as lazy as they come. Although everytime he comes on I do get sarcastically say "here comes cavalry"

 

 

I quite like the Shola, but I will be saying this from now on

[The Fish 9342]

Sarcasim isn't easy to convey over the internet, but I thought listing Shola was it obvious.

at least have the courage of your convictions.

 

Ashley

Llambias

Wise

FS

DH

Souness

Allardyce

SJH*

Owen

Duff**

 

 

* undid all the good with some cowardly, craven greed

** wrong place wrong time, also (in my eyes) the starkest example of a trophy player I can think of. An empty shirt in a position where we had players with promise and potential. Povably not his fault entirely, but he feels my ire regardless

[TicTacWoe 0]

Sarcasim isn't easy to convey over the internet, but I thought listing Shola was it obvious.

at least have the courage of your convictions.

 

Ashley

Llambias

Wise

FS

DH

Souness

Allardyce

SJH*

Owen

Duff**

 

 

* undid all the good with some cowardly, craven greed

** wrong place wrong time, also (in my eyes) the starkest example of a trophy player I can think of. An empty shirt in a position where we had players with promise and potential. Povably not his fault entirely, but he feels my ire regardless

 

I absolutely hated Duff when he was here, thought he was totally useless, but still it seemed like a good deal for 5million at the time given his history and we would have lost N'Zogbia (if that's who you mean) sooner or later anyway (due to the fact we could get a fee for him). He's been great for Fulham this year so obviously it was a mixture of injuries and the general shitness of the overall squad and management setup that Duff didn't work out, as you said wrong place wrong time.

 

Can't really think of any one player who deserves to be in this list as it all stens back to a mistake by Ashley, the previous board or a previous manager.

Edited April 9, 2010 by TicTacWoe